Will You Survive "Greenland" part 1

The comet is terrifying, but the part that sticks with us is what people do when they think the clock hit zero. We take on Greenland as a surprisingly grounded disaster movie and use it as a survival thought experiment: how fast normal life collapses, how quickly “help” turns into risk, and why a family plan matters more than any heroic speech.

We talk through the movie’s big choices and its small details, from the government’s public messaging to the ugly incentives that show up in crowds. Would officials tell the full truth if honesty triggers riots and mass casualties? Would you trust the news, trust your instincts, or try to read between the lines? Along the way we get into real world asteroid defense, what it means to divert an incoming object, and why Hollywood often skips the “global effort” that would happen in real life.

Then we go full space nerd for a minute, debating the Moon impact scenario and even the grim question of how you might die falling into a black hole, because understanding scale changes how you fear it. Finally, we pull the camera back to street level with the most brutal scenes: keeping a kid safe, protecting critical medicine like insulin during an evacuation, and staying quiet about anything that marks you as “selected” or “valuable” in a collapsing system.

If you like disaster films, survival analysis, emergency preparedness talk, and honest arguments about what you’d do under pressure, hit subscribe, share the episode with a friend, and leave a review with your take: what is the one decision you think saves this family?

Transcript

Welcome And Movie Setup

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Hello, survivors, and welcome to another episode of Will You Survive the Podcast? As always, I'm joined by my two co-hosts. I have Eric here.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

Uh hi, D Sarge.

SPEAKER_00 0:36

And I have TJ there. Yo, D Sarge! We're gonna be talking about the movie Greenland, if you haven't seen it. Stars Gerard Butler.

SPEAKER_02 0:45

That's that's a name that I've heard a lot. Oh, we're just gonna scroll over the D Sarge thing. Yo, Big River context. Big Rar. Big Rard But that's one of those names where like I never remember who it is, and then I see him and I'm like, oh yeah. Just fucking white guy. He's like, I and I don't mean that I there's like no way this isn't just a mean thing to say. He's like like off-brand Liam Neeson to me, but in not like a bad way.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Off-brand, but he's also more like like he's I feel like he's more famous. I I only say off brand about that.

SPEAKER_00 1:19

I feel like do you know what I would call him?

SPEAKER_01 1:21

Liam Neeson was in the star.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

I would call him off-brand Russell Crowe.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

Uh see, we're young. See, but now when I think of Russell Crowe, I just think of him fat as fuck in that movie where he's in a truck. Oh, I do. You know?

SPEAKER_00 1:33

You know, I was wondering about that. That the roadway rage one, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:37

Because I thought that was this guy. No. Oh. Is this the guy, two actors?

SPEAKER_01 1:41

What's it? It's the one, uh, law abiding citizen, I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Where's his family gets like murdered or whatever, and he like finds the guy and does it and like fucking tortures him and shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:53

Okay, the one that I would never I don't know how I didn't know this. How do we not know that he was fucking Leonidas in 300?

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Oh, I know that. Because I haven't seen this movie in so long, or that movie.

SPEAKER_01 2:03

I watched Meet the Spartans more than I watched 300.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

I think I've watched 300 one time in my life a long time ago, and I could not tell you much about it. That's the This is Sparta one. Yep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

You know, he was in another apocalyptic movie.

SPEAKER_02 2:17

Really?

SPEAKER_00 2:18

Similar, same thing, only different. It wasn't a comet, but it was um weather patterns and all that was going haywire on the earth. It was uh Geostorm.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Oh, I like Geostorm. I think that's a good one. Oh, why why do I look drunk on the camera?

SPEAKER_00 2:31

He was the lead role.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

Geostorm has a cool scene where uh I I think it's Geostorm where all the people on the Brazilian beach uh like freeze over instantly because of the geostorm that happens there. I that's a cool scene. Dude, no way there's a geostorm in Geostorm. Wait, you're telling me there's storms? DeSarge, there's storms? Is that a geographic storm? Yo, desarge, that's really gonna harsh the vibes in Greenland. It's really harshing the vibes, dude.

SPEAKER_01 2:59

Again, there's no context to that. There's no context to desarge. Uh hey, somebody should probably read

Synopsis Plus First Impressions

SPEAKER_01 3:05

out the synopsis. Yeah, go for it. Hey, I'll do it. What if I just read the synopsis for Greenland fucking two?

SPEAKER_02 3:15

Is it out yet? I thought it comes out later this year. It's out. Oh, yeah, I'm not gonna lie. There was a small part of me that was like, they didn't mean the new one, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:22

No, no, these are where the fuck is there it is. No, that's the second one. Why does the second one pop up more than the first one? Uh so basically there's No, shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

And it's coming to the Stop it! No! And then the scientists go, No, it's nothing. No, and then everybody decides that they want to watch it land because they're like, oh, this'll be cool, but then it's not cool. No, then it kills half of Florida and it's floating. Oh, and then uh then more comments fall, and this guy is trying to get his family to a safe spot, and it's the only real safe is Greenland. I already told the Snopsis, dude. I mean, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 3:59

A family fights for survival as a planet-killing comet races towards Earth. John Garretti, played by Gerard Butler, and his estranged wife Allison, Marina Bacharin, and the young son Nathan. I like how they don't even reference like who plays Nathan. Fuck IMDB make a perilous journey to their only hope for sanctuary amid terrifying news accounts of cities around the world being leveled by the comets fragments. The Gareth's experience the best and the worst in humanity while they battle the increasing panic and lawlessness surrounding them. As the hold on, as the countdown of Cobo Apocalypse approaches zero, their incredible track accumulates in desperation. Last minute flight to possible safe haven. Fuck you, STX Entertainment, for that summary. I just scroll.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

Well, besides the summary, what did you guys think of the movie?

SPEAKER_02 4:52

I liked it. Uh I liked it. I thought it was a really solid movie. I have no complaints, really. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 4:57

Any impressions on the the opening scenes?

SPEAKER_02 5:00

Remind me the I literally just watched this. Remind me the opening scene.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

So I was confused about the whole estrangement. So clearly there was something going on between them.

SPEAKER_02 5:11

I figured right away, I was like, oh, someone cheated. So I don't know who, but one of them did.

SPEAKER_00 5:17

But I don't think they ever answered that question.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

I don't think I think they kind of do. They very vaguely do when they're in the car, and she says, like, you know, the blame is on me too. Like, I led you to that. And he was like, no, like, I I crossed the line. And I don't know, like, it kind of seemed like they were implying that he was unfaithful, but they never outwardly say it. So they kind of leave that open.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

Yeah, it it it's just it is what it is. But that was the only the only part that I was kind of struggling with. The other thing that I laughed at, IMD picked this up. IMDB picked this up quick. Well, I don't know if they did it quick, but they picked it up. The blooper in the beginning, all the windows of the house blew out, and then he runs back inside and there's no glass.

SPEAKER_02 6:02

Oh yeah, there was there was something else that happened in this movie that I caught that I was like, huh, that's funny. And I don't remember what it was. I don't think I'm gonna remember. I I think it might not have been this movie to be honest, but I think it was. I think there was a blooper here where it was something like that, an editing mistake where something happened, and then in the next scene you're like, what happened to that?

SPEAKER_00 6:25

I thought So it happened later in the movie where the son Nathan was they were at the grand grandfather's house and the same thing, only different, right? The uh comic comes and impacts nearby, glass breaks and shatters, and they run in, and the son Nathan is sitting in the room and there's no glass where he's at.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

Yeah, that and then oh, there was a small one that like it doesn't really bother me that much. They made a point of showing you where the insulin landed when he took it out of his bag by accident. How the fuck did she do? Well, yeah, well, when the dad goes for yeah, first of all, like I feel like I would check the back seat really quick, like, especially if a kid was back there. I'm like, I'm just gonna make sure double check real quick in a really important moment. But regardless, when the dad goes back to get the the medicine, it's like it's in a completely different spot from where it landed when the kid turned out.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

Here's real life survival. Don't pack your most crucial medicine in your kid's backpack and give them access to it.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

I feel like you that would be like a fanny pack situation. You keep that shit close, you know?

SPEAKER_00 7:31

Yeah. Up front with you, on you, right? You don't you don't make the kid responsible for it, and that's essentially what you would be doing. You'd be putting that backpack on the kid and you take care of this. I I don't think that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

I guess I guess I do have a problem with this movie, but I don't know if it's my lack of knowledge that makes it a problem. I don't think they were nearly deep enough to be safe in that bunker.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Oh, you're jumping straight to the end.

SPEAKER_02 7:58

Yeah, uh well, because that's the only you want you asked, like, you know, is there anything that we caught or anything like that?

SPEAKER_00 8:05

Like Well, I specifically said at the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

Oh, we can wait. Yeah, but we're we're only like fucking five minutes into the episode. We can't immediately jump to the end.

SPEAKER_02 8:14

Oh, yes, because we've all we we've always gone chronologically in the episode.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

We never jump

Plot Gaps And Survival Realism

SPEAKER_00 8:20

right to the end. We've never jumped right to the end.

SPEAKER_01 8:22

We've never not talked about the movie the entire time and talked about like somebody else in Minecraft. Is the fact that that grocery store that they went to wasn't already fucking ravaged?

SPEAKER_03 8:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

People, people even if people like the government, oh, it's safe. Oh, it's not gonna hit Earth, people are still gonna go take all the toilet paper, fucking get all the sh you know, like we learned that. Yeah, all that juice would have been gone. The kid would have not gotten no juice.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

So, what is uh what are both of your takes on the government saying that it's okay, it's not gonna be dangerous. Do you do you think that society would believe the government as a whole or distrust them?

SPEAKER_02 9:02

I think distrust depend on what the news is saying. Yeah, well, that's the thing, is like because they they were saying, like, well, the news says this, and I'm like, if I'm being so real, when all the news networks start saying the same thing, I get a little worried about what's being said.

SPEAKER_01 9:18

I I but I'm thinking the opposite. So if like if the news is like, oh, it's it's probably fine, you know, um, and the you know, fucking government saying like the opposite, I feel like I'm gonna trust the government more. If the news is like, hey, we're all gonna fucking die, and the government's like, it's not a big deal, you know. It's it it like depends. It depends on the situation, really.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

I was gonna say, well, cause like, yeah, there are a lot of situations in which the media is like, we're all gonna die. And the government's like, we're not. Like it's fine. Exact that's exactly what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

Like the media going like a bola.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

Yeah, it it's gonna dock. It's gonna dock, but they say it should be okay. And the government's like, it will be okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:01

So then here's a uh more pointed question in this. I think we would all agree. Is it safe for me to say that we would all agree that the government would absolutely lie to us?

SPEAKER_02 10:10

Absolutely, and you know, something I was gonna say is I don't disagree with him for that.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

Well, because society would just collapse sooner.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

Yeah, I I mean the reality is like if you tell everybody, hey, by the way, the world's ending, what do you what do you do with that information?

SPEAKER_03 10:27

Right.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

Right? Like, I I feel like you just go like, nope, it's fine, until it's like, yeah, it's very obviously not fine. So sorry. But like, what are we gonna do about it? We can't stop it.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 10:39

Although I don't know. Uh another thing that I like another problem that I have here is I do feel like we would have sent a lot of nukes to that asteroid.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

It was already like broken apart, though. You'd have to fucking cluster straight up.

SPEAKER_02 10:52

You know, I guess that's one thing I guess I don't like about it's not that I don't like, but one thing about this movie where I'm like, you're telling me there was no global effort to try and destroy at least to break it into smaller pieces so that there's at least the big one so that it's not a cataclysmic extinction event. Like you're telling me all the governments of the world weren't like, yeah, let's shoot everything we fucking got at it. I feel like they would. I I feel like you'd hear about something like that where it's like, hey, they really didn't mention too much of that.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

Do you think there's a real contingency within the space agencies? I gotta imagine.

SPEAKER_01 11:25

Yeah. I think wasn't there something recently where they like tested it on something that like wasn't near us, but they still like you know, were able to divert it enough, you know?

SPEAKER_02 11:35

Yeah, so that's usually the plan is not so much to destroy the asteroid, but to make it miss us.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:41

So like if it's on track to hit us, they go, okay, well, we're gonna send stuff out there to try and knock it off course so that it passes us.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

Another kind of, you know, it's it it has to happen for the movie to happen, but there's literally no way that a fucking giant comet just pops in out of nowhere. We we've got governments looking at the sky, we've got fucking there's pe people are c are constantly looking up, and everything is plotted, everything everybody knows where everything is, all the stars, all the little blips. So, like, there's literally no way it could just, you know, so there uh there would be way more time for shit to be done.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

I mean, to an extent, I agree. I could see like the news knew about it in this movie. Like the news was saying, like, oh yeah, we know it's there, we know it's on its way, like we're well aware. Like the was it the same day, or was it like did was the intro like days leading up to it?

SPEAKER_00 12:40

Um, uh well, it was where the movie started, you mean? Yeah, that was like we started in right when it was coming. They knew it was there.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

They said that they it came out of nowhere, though. Like I remember that line. It's right source system, it came out of nowhere, you know?

SPEAKER_02 12:56

Yeah, I mean, yeah, things in space don't move that fast.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

So the we I feel like we there would have been way more time to prepare for something.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

Yeah, I mean, like we recently had a thing where they were like, there's an asteroid on its way to Earth. We're not worried about it. We're just gonna knock it off course and we'll be fine.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

And unless a meteor starts raining down right now, I think we're fine. I think it was successful.

SPEAKER_00 13:17

And so uh you guys are right. NASA has a plan called uh Planetary Defense Coordination Office, and they do coordinate uh detection, tracking, mitigation, including kinetic methods. Their first choice is not nuclear options, and you are right, they

Trusting Government And The News

SPEAKER_00 13:35

they slammed a uh probe into an object that it wasn't earthbound, but they slammed it to see if they could change its trajectory at all. And I don't believe that the plan that the realistic plan was to change the trajectory. Uh I think they wanted to see how much force they can apply. Yeah. And I don't think they really had a plan, uh really had a uh what do they say, a snowball's chance in hell of moving it, but they just wanted to see, and it was time to destroy that probe probe anyway.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

I know things about space.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

Space is cool, dude. Space But I also like going old school, you young'uns wouldn't know anything about this, but that old movie, Armageddon from 1998.

SPEAKER_02 14:17

I've seen Armageddon.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

They actually uh say something like that, you know, uh slamming nukes into it, you know, that would be like or laser beams. Oh, yeah, because they do have an actual laser ablation plan. And for something this size, or the one in Armageddon specifically, they said it would be like shooting a uh freight train with BB guns. And so these these objects out in space, they range in all kinds of shapes and sizes. Of course, most of them don't come close to us. Of course, the question would come on a comet of this size is how did it get past Jupiter's gravitational pull?

SPEAKER_02 14:55

Yeah, I mean, uh there would be a lot of things that would have to, in a sense, go wrong in order for something like that to happen. Like, honestly, I'm not gonna lie, a bigger fear of mine would be if it hit our moon. Oh, that would be crazy. That would be a much bigger fear of mine, to be honest. Yeah, but something this big has that would shatter the moon. Like the the moon would be done. And then what happens to us then? I don't think we survive without the moon.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

That's wild.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

I mean, we can't that's what I would be worried about, but it would throw a bunch of shit off. I don't think we could survive. I uh so like all of our tidal waves are created by the moon. So like uh a lot of like our nights would be absolutely pitch black, there would be no light. Um what else?

SPEAKER_01 15:39

I mean, the moon does also it would be years and years and years for the moon to like fuck off. You know, it's already like like I think if it hit our moon, we would have extremely bright nights for like a long ass time because a long ass I don't think the moon is that many light years away from us. No, but if one's a bigger thing, they kind of merge together in space.

SPEAKER_00 16:06

The moon is only like 300,000 miles.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

Yeah, that's so he's saying, like, if if something hit the moon that it would take like you're saying it would take a long time for us to wait, wait, what exactly are you saying?

SPEAKER_01 16:17

I'm I'm saying that the moon would be hot and on fire for a while. Um, I'm saying it more than likely wouldn't destroy the moon as it would probably just kind of merge with it. Maybe it would knock it further off like our orbit.

SPEAKER_02 16:33

But like if we're talking about the comet from this movie, yeah. If what it hit Earth and killed everything on Earth and left a massive crater, yeah, but it didn't split our merge earth in half, it literally split the continent. No, it split the continent.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

Yeah, but it didn't it didn't open up.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

But the reason that it had that much destruction is called bigger than the moon, yeah. But the earth is so much bigger than the moon. And yeah, we had an atmosphere to somewhat slow down the comet before it hit. No atmosphere just smacks the moon just straight up. I think the moon is gone. I I don't think it's like gone immediately, like just evaporates, but I think it breaks into a billion pieces and it's just rock flying everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

I don't think we have a moon anymore. It would take a lot of speed to like destroy the moon and then also have it fuck off to the point where we don't have any title systems. Because if it did split apart, let's say this if it split apart, I think we would still have somewhat of a title system because the moon's still there, it's just in pieces. We would end up with a ring around our planet.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

So this has actually been asked and answered in theory, of course, on uh planetary.org.

SPEAKER_02 17:47

I I don't know why I so thought you were about to say Reddit.

SPEAKER_00 17:50

No. Planetary.org.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

The most honourable source for information.

SPEAKER_00 17:55

It's called the Planetary Society. It was written by Kate Howells. This is back in 2023. What would happen if an asteroid hit the moon? Now, we're speculating in this movie it was a nine mile wide comet, right? Yeah. And so in the um in the paper, it would create an enormous new crater, likely tens to over hundreds of kilometers across, depending on exact velocity, angle, and composition. The moon's surface would be scarred dramatically with massive ejecta thrown outward. The impact would generate a brilliant flash visible from Earth, possibly rivaling or exceeding the brightness of a full moon for a short time, followed by a glowing aftermath. Seismic waves would shake the moon, but with no atmosphere or liquid water, there would be no widespread, quote, global effects like on Earth. The moon has endured far larger impacts in its ancient past. So we'd have to go much bigger if we were to see some kind of a some kind of a uh catastrophic failure.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

With me survivors, this nigga knows space.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

I don't think a lot of our survivors can say that.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

I give you the past this one time. Send in your videos saying that. No, no, make sure you're showing your face. Maybe hold your agenda.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

Send in our blackmail for you. I love it. I love it. All right.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

I was the closest to being right. I said it wouldn't believe that.

SPEAKER_02 19:17

No, you were, you were. Yeah, that's surprising to me.

SPEAKER_01 19:20

But like if it was bigger, let's say if like another maybe maybe it's like a third of the size of our moon, if that hit it, then it's fucked.

SPEAKER_02 19:27

You know, there's a there's a space sim out there that Markiplier has played. Universe sandbox. Yeah, you literally just you just have the solar system, or you you have the whole universe. I've played it, and you just you can just add stuff in, like you could just add a planet, add an asteroid, change gravity, you can change it at like light speed. Yeah, like you could do a whole bunch of stuff. You can add like 50 suns. You can like increase the mass of the sun until it explodes, like you can do cool stuff.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Um I did a teapot at light speed, and that kind of that fucked Earth up.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

Okay, so so the impact diameter in order to quote pulverize the moon would the equation it gives is it would have to be an impact delivering energy on the order of the moon's gravitational binding energy. Otherwise, any large impact like that, the moon would just pull itself back together after a period of time. Really? Because it's it's so large it has its own gravitational pull. So in order to break its gravitational pull, it would be uh impact impactor diameter would need to be around 700 to 800 kilometers. So that's roughly the size of a large asteroid like series.

Planetary Defense And Moon Impact

SPEAKER_00 20:45

So that's we're talking huge.

SPEAKER_02 20:47

But it's not unheard of. No. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

Yeah, I mean uh you know, the it eventually the moon would put itself back together. Unless it's recently rejected.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

Yeah. I I forget what movie we we watched that we were talking about this, but we talked about this recently about how Andromeda and the Milky Way are colliding, and that sounds very scary until you think about how much space is between each star, and you're like, yeah, the odds of anything actually hitting together are so incredibly low. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:19

That's why it's like not super likely that we're gonna get rocked by a giant asteroid. But it could happen.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

I mean, yeah, like Alex said, I mean, it's uh like there's like uh there's Jupiter in the way. I mean, we have a couple planets in the way.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

An entire planet has hitten our planet. So, you know, it could happen. I think that would be why don't we have that as a movie?

SPEAKER_00 21:42

Which one?

SPEAKER_01 21:42

A planet We need a plan we need a planet that pops out of nowhere that is heading towards Earth. Out of nowhere. And then and then we get two sides because there's aliens on the other side, but they look just like humans, you know, so they could just be played by humans. So we got Earth and Earth two and they're on a television course.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

But humans with tails.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

Yeah. And then you're like you're like, oh, I don't know who to fight for. Who who should survive? But in reality, nobody's gonna survive.

SPEAKER_02 22:09

I like movies where a black hole is coming for Earth. Black holes are so scary to me.

SPEAKER_01 22:18

Yeah, if you fall into a black hole, it'll stretch you into spaghetti. Yeah. Like light will bend so much that you'll be able to see the back of your head.

SPEAKER_02 22:27

I feel like we should look this up on Claude. How theoretically painful would it be to get sucked into a black hole? Would it be just immediate, just painless, you're done?

SPEAKER_01 22:36

Or because as you go in, gravity slows time.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Yeah, time distorts. In theory.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

Yeah, theoretically, how bad would that be? Yeah, in theory, how long do you think you would be in a fucking black hole?

SPEAKER_02 22:48

Are you like, is it gonna feel like fucking years of just being stretched in a spaghetti, or is it gonna be rather quick in your mind? Also, would your body, would your brain still be able to just shut off the way that it can? I imagine it'd be real.

SPEAKER_01 23:08

And that's what's you know, the pressure underwater is gravity.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

Like I gotta I g I guess my question is just like relative like the relativity of time, how how long would you be dying in a black hole? How long would you perceive yourself dying versus how long would it actually take?

SPEAKER_01 23:28

Yeah, yeah, I'm I can't give you that answer. Oh, I thought you knew about space. I don't know the fucking equation for fucking gravity. I don't know how much it depends on the size of the black hole, you know. I think I think I don't know if it'd be like w underwater though, because it's all condensed into one spot. If you're underwater, you're getting pressure from all sides. Yeah. So the stretching into the spaghetti is like more likely. And I think you'd probably feel it. Yeah, but how long is the question.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Okay, so you have an answer? Theoretically, right? It depends heavily on the black hole size. Uh so, quote, how bad it hurts ranges from instantly horrific to you might not even notice you're doomed until the very end. So a small stellar mass black hole, uh three to ten solar masses, this is the really bad scenario. Spaghettification starts well before you reach the event horizon. Your feet, closer to the black hole, feel enormously stronger gravity than your head. The difference in pull can be billions of G forces per meter. You'd be stretched vertically like taffy and squeezed sideways. Bones snap, tissues tear, blood vessels rupture, all while you're still fully conscious for at least part of it. It would be excruciatingly painful for however many seconds or fractions of a second your nervous system holds out. I was gonna say like orders of magnitude.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

I have a feeling at some point your brain's just like, no. No.

SPEAKER_00 25:03

By the time you're near the event horizon, you're already a long, thin stream of atomized matter. Death is certain and extremely unpleasant. And then for a supermassive black hole, example, Sagittarius A at four million solar masses, this is the gentler but still fatal version.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

That's quite a bit bigger, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 25:25

The tidal forces at the event horizon are so weak you might not feel anything unusual when crossing it. It could feel smoother than a roller coaster drop. You could survive as a living human for a while after crossing. Potentially hours in your own proper time for the very largest black holes, potentially hours. However, as you fall deeper toward the singularity, the tidal forces ramp up dramatically, eventually spag spaghettification kicks in hard. Some analysis suggests that once the stretching begins in earnest, it happens so quickly, in a fraction of a second in your frame, that nerve signals might not even have time to register full pain before your body is destroyed.

SPEAKER_02 26:05

So it's saying that smaller ones will will kill you slower and more painfully, and the bigger ones you actually wouldn't feel it for a long time, and then it would just be rather sudden.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

Yeah, for the larger ones.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

Did they say you could get closer to the larger ones without dying?

SPEAKER_00 26:24

Then the bigger than the before you start to die. Then the smaller one? Why is that? I don't know. That's weird. So in short, falling into a black hole is one of the worst ways to go, either by being ripped apart molecule by molecule in agony, small hole, or by a slower descent into an inevitable destruction, big hole. Nature's efficient meat grinder, you know.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

That's not what happened to the guy in Interstellar, though. No, they put a tetrack in the middle of it so for him to

Black Holes And Dying By Gravity

SPEAKER_01 26:55

speak to his daughter through time.

SPEAKER_02 26:57

I feel like Quad doesn't know what they're talking about. Um actually, um, Desaj, I watched Interstellar, and that's not what they said.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

I seen the picture of a back hole, it's not even scary. I don't even see it. Desarge, it is uh, I could show you my back hole. Oh man.

SPEAKER_02 27:22

So getting your kid taken from you. Yeah. I first of all, great actress. Uh, that's another actress that I did not know her name, but I saw her and I was like, I know her. She's in Deadpool. That's where I know her from.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

Yeah. In Deadpool 2.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

I was gonna well, I was gonna say Deadpool's girlfriend because I think that's and his wife.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Oh, it's I I'm just referring to her as uh Wolverine referred to her. He said, You couldn't even save a relationship with a goddamn stripper. And then they fought Nahonda Odyssey.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

I remember that scene. Uh she is a great actress. I don't know how you continue after that. I I was kind of really feeling for her. I was really feeling for her. The further that car got away without her being able to stop somebody, the more I was like, Yeah, I'm losing hope too. Like at that real quick, uh, that would be really hard to keep going from. Yeah. Like there was a moment where when she saw the comment coming down and she was standing on the highway, there was a moment where I was like, if I'm her, I'm hoping it hits me. Like, I'm hoping it just ends it quick right now, so that I could be like, I didn't even have it, there's nothing I could do. But like getting your kid taken from you like that, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 28:30

That was that, and that's a good way to put it because that's that's the way that she made me feel was that it was like that running after the car, stopping, turning around and running to get to another car were all going on inside of her at the same exact time. Yeah, like she was being pulled in multi-directions. Right.

SPEAKER_02 28:49

Yeah, and every time a car passes you and doesn't stop to help you, it's it's like that's another chance gone. That's another chance gone. Now he's even further. He's even further now. Like at a certain point, it is like there is no chance I'm ever finding him again.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

Will you survive rule book? Don't trust motherfuckers.

SPEAKER_02 29:07

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 29:07

I would just say stay armed, especially balding men with beards. Sorry, Alex.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

I guess in their situation I'm okay, I'm trustworthy because I'm not balding, I'm bald. Oh, yeah, true, true, true.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

In their situation, they couldn't have a gun, but chat clipped that.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

He admitted it, he's come to terms with it. Okay. Okay, so like that ass, why don't why don't they have guns? You know?

SPEAKER_02 29:28

I mean, I I get it because they came from the airfield and the Air Force Base was not gonna let them have guns on those planes. So that could make sense, but like they never didn't have guns before that either. Yeah. I'm like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

I feel like at least left one in their glove box or something, you know. Yeah, yeah. Like take it on your way, at least.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

I'm a big Second Amendment fan. But here's makes some people mad, but here's something else.

SPEAKER_00 29:51

When you're in this situation, remember, we've always said on this podcast that you need to keep your presence of mind, you need to be calm, you need to be thoughtful. One, very simple, nobody does it, but maybe this is how you save your life. Nobody does this. When you go to get into a stranger's car because you're you're in a dire situation and you need help, go to get in that stranger's car. Make sure that their child safety lock isn't on when you open their their back door.

SPEAKER_01 30:16

Yeah. Yeah. That's smart. Also, unbuckle your fucking child that they're about to steal.

SPEAKER_03 30:22

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 30:22

You know, I go.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

I don't know. Like he's coming around the right side. I feel like open the left side and fuck or lock it, jump in the driver's seat.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

It seemed no, it seemed like he liked his wife. Choke that bitch out. Yeah, well, keep trying to open the door. I'm a killer.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

She locked him out.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

That's good. That's good too.

SPEAKER_02 30:39

The wife was like, I'm not gonna let you in. And then I don't know if she ended up doing it afterwards, but she did. The second I'm the second I'm I'm realizing that he's pulling at the handle and it's not opening, and he's on my side, I'm jumping in the driver's seat.

SPEAKER_00 30:51

I I like that too.

SPEAKER_02 30:52

I'm punching the gas. Um, I don't know. That's what I thought she was gonna do, and then she just stood there and got yanked out of the car.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

She th she could have also um you know, there's like emergency shit inside of like trunks, and that was like SUV. She could have jumped into the back and tried to open it.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

I don't know if it'll work on that specific vehicle, but but it wasn't even like uh so one of my complaints on that scene was the kid wasn't like a toddler. Like I could understand my toddler not knowing what what to do and not jumping out, not opening the door and getting out. But like this kid was what would you speculate? Nine, two?

SPEAKER_02 31:27

They said it, he was seven.

SPEAKER_00 31:28

He was seven.

SPEAKER_02 31:28

I I I do think that is young enough that you would panic, you would freeze and you wouldn't know what to do. But I do see what you mean. Like, you would hope that it'd be like, hey, I'm getting yanked out of this car. It's clear they're trying to steal you, maybe get out.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

So, in this situation, what does she have as a weapon? Me, I'm thinking, oh, she has a in to she has a couple bottles of insulin, right? Or and a needle. Fill that bitch up. Shoot that in the back. Shit, don't even grab the insulin, shoot a bubble into his neck.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

Yeah, that could actually do something.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

Yeah, emblems.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

Did you see a couple of uh gaffs with the insulin? So she had said your your machine is empty. Yeah, and what was it? Your machine is empty.

SPEAKER_01 32:17

I think she said you're empty. And what it what the fuck? Body exposure and sexualized behaviors. Literally, what? No idea what that literally wear.

SPEAKER_02 32:27

TJ, stop looking so damn sexy, dude.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

I can't stop rubbing my nipples on stream, apparently.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

Dude, it's gonna get us banned.

Kidnapping Scene And Street Survival

SPEAKER_00 32:35

That's bizarre. That was a bizarre one.

SPEAKER_02 32:38

That's just crap.

SPEAKER_00 32:39

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 32:40

There was nothing that we said that was sexy. I should shoot a bubble into his neck. Yeah, they're like, mm, too sexy. Um yeah, that's an option.

SPEAKER_00 32:49

They made a couple of gaps in the in the whole insulin thing because the kid was low on his on his insulin.

SPEAKER_01 32:57

On his insulin, but he was high on his uh but he was high on his blood sugar.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

And so it was like, wait, uh no, opposite, opposite, low on blood sugar. So it's like if you were low on your insulin, your insulin's not pumping anymore, you wouldn't be low on blood sugar. You would be going high. Yeah. Insulin is supposed to bring it down. Oh, gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

And insulin's just stabilize it. What's what's high?

SPEAKER_00 33:19

High, uh, anything over, I want to say, God, I can't remember anything. You know, you think I think I know this.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

A lot of my family has fucking diabetes, but I do not.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

He was like, I think they said he was like 330.

SPEAKER_00 33:31

Yeah, but high, I think pre-diabetic does it also change 190?

SPEAKER_02 33:36

Does it also change if you're younger and smaller?

SPEAKER_00 33:40

Uh no, no, no, no. Because like, okay, so in one of the scenes, Nathan says he has low blood sugar and his mother gives him extra insulin. This would lower the blood sugar even further. Right? He has low blood sugar, he would need to eat something.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

Gotcha, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:55

And then they did the opposite uh later on, where he was supposed to, I think his thing said it was empty, and I'm trying to find it here.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

She gave him a sugar bill at one point.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

Yeah, they gave him something, and it was like that would have been the wrong thing to do. Like, once again, if it's high, why would you give him more sugar? So Nathan appears unwell outside the airbase. Allison confirms that his insulin pump is running empty and then proceeds to give him candy. Where his insulin pump empty, his sugar would be running high, giving him candy would be dangerous. So they they flipped those two things. Yeah, blood sugar's low is when you give them the candy, blood sugar's high is when you give them insulin.

SPEAKER_01 34:35

They had it flipped. Also, I would like to say as a parent, I'd have been like, yo, keep your fucking mouth shut, dog. Like with certain things. Also, as a husband, why are you just telling people your kid has fucking you know diabetes?

SPEAKER_02 34:52

Are you talking about apples?

SPEAKER_01 34:53

Especially with the government, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:54

Like Well, there was a reason. I it was he forgot the thing.

SPEAKER_01 34:58

They forgot the meds.

SPEAKER_02 34:59

So she was asking what she was saying is like, hey, my husband's going to go get the meds. Can you make sure he gets on the same plane with me? And then they were like, meds? Meds? Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

So why no? I would have not mentioned shit. Because like I'm thinking like selection process, either it's a bunch of white people or they're clearing out the sick ones.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

Well, she she literally like the uh uh my thought if I was them would be like we already got selected, they already considered all this and they are letting us on. They made a mistake and they said that where they're like, hey, yeah, we're sorry, like that with that was supposed to be caught in the screening process. That slipped through, that's our bad, but your son can't get on. So I don't I don't blame her at all for being like, Okay, I'm in a safe place now. Let me tell him, like, hey, can you just make sure my husband gets on with the government?

SPEAKER_01 35:46

Yeah, you're never safe with the government.

SPEAKER_02 35:48

I mean, I kind of agree, but I I also I don't blame her.

SPEAKER_01 35:51

My other point I just uh thought of, I was trying to think of it. Um, when he's when they're in the car with the couple and the kids like, oh yeah, we were gonna get on a plane, and blah blah blah. And then they look back at the wristbands. Shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_02 36:06

I agree. You don't say shit, you stay absolutely silent.

SPEAKER_01 36:09

Yep. And I would I would immediately like hide my wristband, you know, because that's a that's a commodity, that's a that's a chance at survival that like nobody out here has, or else they would be at the base, you know? Right. So I would immediately fucking hide it.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

What I got from it was this movie gave us from a completely different perspective, completely different genre, of course. But it was the real life of the tragedy and apocalypse, like outside. I liked a few of the things that they did because that was very real life getting your kid taken because the desperation of that couple of like we can make this work, right? We're gonna get on this plane.

SPEAKER_02 36:45

And yeah, and it but it's like I can understand the desperation, but it's like, man, there's so many gaps in that logic.

SPEAKER_00 36:53

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

That like it's insane, it's not a viable option by any means.

SPEAKER_00 36:57

They clearly weren't thinking straight. Like he thought he was gonna get on that plane without a wristband himself.

SPEAKER_02 37:02

Yeah, like that's the first problem is you guys don't have it. Sure, he does. If they let him on, they would only let him on. Right. Like that that's like that that's like arriving to an amusement park where they give out the bracelets when you leave so that you can come back in. That's like arriving with one bracelet and two people don't, and you're like, oh well, we know we we all are gonna go, right?

SPEAKER_00 37:23

We were all here. Somebody somebody stole our bracelets.

SPEAKER_02 37:26

Yeah, no, only the one with the bracelet is gonna come in.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

But yeah, I don't know. Um, I I thought that would that was a really cool scene, though. That was very brave of the kid to to break there and bas and basically.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

I mean, like in reality, what was bro gonna do? Stomp a kid out in front of you know like that.

SPEAKER_02 37:46

What are you gonna they're surrounded by people with guns and like I'm assuming it's not it's not that it's not there's it doesn't have to do with logic at that point, it has to do with like you're like children. That's how people control children. Yeah, is like the whole like it's fear. You do what I say and you won't get hurt. You do what I say, and then you will get what you want. You'll get your mom. And so they the kid goes into this because they're a child with this idea that well, then I just have to do whatever I have to do in order to

Wristbands OPSEC And Land Nav Talk

SPEAKER_02 38:15

see my mom. There that's the only step they're thinking. They're not thinking ahead of, well, how is this guy gonna get me to see my mom? They're not thinking that. So I the kid being able to stand up and say, This is these are not my parents, that's crazy, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 38:29

And that's why you need to take your kids out into the woods, drop them there with nothing but a fire starter and a fucking soggy blanket, and you let them sleep. Land nav training.

SPEAKER_02 38:41

Yeah, land nav. Give them a map, yep.

SPEAKER_01 38:43

Tell them to find their way home. You you give them a fucking needle and a leaf and a cup. Tell them to make a compass.

SPEAKER_02 38:51

You know, that's something that they used to do in uh not the compass thing, but uh land nav. They used to uh I don't know if they still do it, I'm sure they do. Uh they would do that on Fort Hood in Texas. Yeah, I'm fairly certain. They it's such a huge base with a lot of wooded area, they drop you off basically in a spot with a map, and you and your squad would have to find your way out.

SPEAKER_00 39:11

That's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_02 39:12

Yeah, I I it was always something that I'm like, I feel like if I know I could be saved at any moment, that could be fun. Yeah, kind of like an escape room kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

If I know the direction of where I'm coming from, you don't.

SPEAKER_02 39:25

That's the thing. Like they drop you off. You don't know which way is north, you don't know where you're fine. You're given a map. Well, that's the thing. You're given a map, you're not told what direction you're in, and you're told, okay, find your way back. And so you have to determine where's north. You have to determine, okay, where are we on this map? So you and it's a topographical map, so you gotta try to find like any sort of landmark that could kind of help you figure out where you are on the map. And I feel like I'm pretty decent at reading maps. I think I would actually have a little bit of fun if it didn't feel like my life was in danger.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

I would just look at the sun. Where's the sun at?

SPEAKER_02 39:58

Yeah, I mean, yeah, duh, like yeah, yeah, definitely to figure out like what direction you're in. But after that, like you still don't know where on the map you are. Right. You're just in a wooded area. So you're gonna have to get high ground to find some sort of landmark to look on the map and say, okay, well, there's a big ass hill there. This is what it would look like on the topographical map. I'm gonna hope that that's the hill I'm looking at right now.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

Yeah, if you could find if if you can find direction north, southeast, west, you're mostly there. If you have a map and you could find direction and you know like your general area, like these guys knew they were still in Texas, right?

SPEAKER_01 40:31

Just judging by the fact that they couldn't, you can't get very far without going eight hours and then directing guys from Texas and we drop them in rural Missouri.

SPEAKER_00 40:40

What was that that comedian who said he came over here from London and found out that they thought that a two-hour drive, right?

SPEAKER_02 40:46

Uh from New York to Orlando.

SPEAKER_00 40:48

Well, no, what is uh what is a uh a suburb of London? Oh, is that near London? No, that's not near London. And it's like then he came down to Texas. 45 minutes away they can drive for 12 hours in any direction and not leave the state of Texas.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

Yeah, it it does make me laugh when when Europeans want to talk about how, like, uh, oh, Americans are just so uncultured, they just don't travel, they don't know anything about other cultures. I'm like, do you realize how fucking big our country is? We have 50 little countries in our country.

SPEAKER_01 41:22

In the UK, you could drive to a different suburb, and the motherfuckers have a different fucking stupid ass accent.