Will You Survive REMIX: Train To Busan

A runaway train, a fractured society, and a father who has to choose what kind of man he’ll be with minutes to spare—Train to Busan still hits like a freight car. We revisit the instant classic and treat it like a survival lab: what actually works on a moving train, what fails fast, and how tiny choices—gloves, light control, a shared plan—change the odds when the doors slide open and everything screams.

We start with character: the arc from selfish to selfless, why “big man” steals every scene, and how the COO is written to needle you on purpose. Then we test the film’s logistics against real-world systems. Could a six-hour trip stay powered? How do LA’s fossil-dependent plants compare to Korea’s nuclear mix and Washington State’s hydropower? We map where grids break first, why unattended generators spike and fail, and why protecting operators might matter as much as barricading doors. Along the way, we pull apart zombie behavior cues—vision blinding, sound attraction—and turn them into tactics: cover faces, go dark, minimize silhouettes, coordinate through a single voice.

We also dig into the fan theories that actually sharpen the story. The baseball team isn’t magic; they’re a case study in coordination under pressure. The homeless “prophet” sees what comfort hides. And the ending song does more than tug tears—it’s an IFF signal, proof of cognition and intent that soldiers can trust when biology blurs. That idea, that culture can verify life better than brute survival, gives the film its lasting ache.

On the craft side, we love the calm-over-chaos score that clashes with the visuals to amplify dread, the casting that grounds heroism in sweat and breath, and the script’s choice to leave the origin murky. If you watch for survival, this ride is a playbook: protect hands and eyes, manage light and sound, move as one, and remember that sometimes the smartest move is the most human one.

If you enjoyed this breakdown, follow and subscribe, drop a review, and send us your wildest survival tip to theboys@willyousurvivethepodcast.com. What tactic would you try first on that train?

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Hello, survivors, and welcome back to another episode of Will You Survive the Podcast? Today we are going to be revisiting a zombie instant classic. This one came out in 2016. It won the hearts of many, and I'm gonna be discussing this with our co-hosts here. We've got Eric. That's me. And we've got TJ.

SPEAKER_03 0:51

Welcome to Will You Survive Remix! Welcome to Will You Survive Remix.

SPEAKER_02 0:59

WYS. We talked about it in the last episode, and I was like, hey, wait, did we do this one with TJ? He goes, No, but I suggested it, and then there was like three others that he goes, no, but I suggested that one too.

SPEAKER_07 1:09

So you know, I could I would have put money that you were in this last episode.

SPEAKER_05 1:15

Uh uh up until we just not I was not in the train to Busan episode.

SPEAKER_07 1:20

There's a lot of these that I just feel like.

SPEAKER_05 1:22

I was not in hashtag alive.

SPEAKER_02 1:24

I was not in the Yeah, that's another one I wanted to redo with you. We got a remix.

SPEAKER_05 1:30

I was not in all the best ones.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

We weren't in Resident Evil.

SPEAKER_05 1:34

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

We really started off great.

SPEAKER_05 1:37

Yeah, no, what's we really fell off? What's the one that's not a zombie movie but that has has zombies in it? Maze Run is another one I suggested. I was like, yeah, it technically has zombies or infected. It's somewhat incredible.

SPEAKER_07 1:53

God, I think that's Rick Riordan or maybe it's James Dashner. I think it's James Dashner, actually. Loved that uh yeah, it's James Dashner. Loved those books.

Revisiting Train To Busan

SPEAKER_02 2:01

So as we go through this movie, I do want to point out some very relevant survival points, we'll call them. Uh things that I I realize that when I watch most of these movies, I don't think about often. And I don't think that any movie really emphasizes uh certain inevitables, if you will. So I don't want to give anything away, but without further ado, we're gonna get going on talking about Train to Busan, an instant classic that we're gonna remix with TJ involved. So without uh without carrying on too long, we know how the movie starts. Um I wanna get some of your favorite takes of this movie, TJ.

SPEAKER_05 2:43

Um well I have one gripe about the movie that I was because I just got done watching it like five minutes ago. Um I hate the trope of zombie movies where the completely like useless, meek, piece of shit human being makes it all the way to the end and then yeah, no, that pisses me off so much. That old guy. I would have strangled him from the start. In Minecraft.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

In Minecraft, TikTok. In Minecraft.

Character Arcs And Favorite Roles

SPEAKER_05 3:17

But yeah, that that's one thing I hate. Uh I love pretty much everything about this movie. It's a great movie. Um I like the I like the growth that the main character one of the main characters has. Like he's the main character. Um throughout the movie, he goes from like not giving a shit about people to like trying to better himself for his daughter, you know. And at the end he, you know, he may he makes that sacrifice. Um because it's kinda it's kind of like that old guy, the one that was pissing me off, was kind of like you look at him and then you look at the main character, and they're pretty much the same person at the start of the movie, you know? That's what he would have.

SPEAKER_02 4:03

Yep. I like that, yeah. Keep going down the same road that he was on, and that's exactly what he would be.

SPEAKER_05 4:10

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 4:10

Now, I I I'm gonna just say I don't think anybody I don't think any one of us is gonna pick the main character, but excluding the main character that we're talking about, Siakwoo. Uh excluding him. Who's your favorite character?

SPEAKER_05 4:22

Big man. Big man, my man, my man. Love that guy. Every movie is always like a great actor. He's a great actor, dude.

SPEAKER_02 4:33

His his uh real name, I think, was uh that's uh Ma Dong Siok. He played Sang Hua.

SPEAKER_07 4:39

The first time I saw him in a in a different role, I think he was a bad guy in the next movie I'd seen him in. And I was like, wait, wait, I was like, I know that guy. No, wait, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_02 4:49

That was the flu.

SPEAKER_07 4:50

Oh yeah. It was legitimately like the end of the movie before I was like, oh my god, wait, that's him.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

Once again, that uh to come compare and contrast to what we were talking about last week or last episode was you didn't get pulled out of the movie because he was acting differently.

SPEAKER_07 5:06

I didn't even realize it was him.

Easter Eggs And Seoul Station Link

SPEAKER_02 5:07

Yeah, he was acting so well that you didn't realize it. And yeah, that's that's why. But yeah, he was he was uh my favorite character too. Um one thing that I would like to point out that I did not know about this movie is there is a uh bit of an Easter egg. Now, you do know that um this is a sequel to Soul Station, the animated movie, right?

SPEAKER_07 5:30

Yeah, I think I've heard of that. Yes, I did know that, yes.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

So um our our director here, uh I always forget his name, Yon Sang Ho, uh, he directed that also. But he directed that, I think it was released a month after this. And one little bit of an Easter egg was that the character who was turned at the end of the animated series was the same actor as the first victim on the train. So he like he crossed the universe using that that actress.

SPEAKER_05 6:05

Oh, also uh survival tip, survival tip uh be able to hear a fucking lady jump onto the train and start crying like two feet behind you, like, are you deaf, my guy? Your bro didn't turn around or nothing. He was right next to that door. You know?

SPEAKER_07 6:26

I mean, this is like another universe that I actually don't I can't recall if anybody calls them zombies or anything in this movie. Once.

SPEAKER_02 6:34

Once the word zombie comes up one time.

SPEAKER_07 6:37

Okay. Oh, was that like in the in the initial phone call? It's the beginning, right? Or people in the transit.

SPEAKER_02 6:43

Okay, I I should say uh they translated into English as zombie one time. And the uh the research that I did revealed that that was intentional. That one time the word zombie was used.

SPEAKER_07 6:57

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:58

In the context that we mean.

SPEAKER_07 6:59

Then my point stands this is another universe where nobody has ever seen a zombie movie before. Exactly. So I I think that like, you know, you hear someone like uh it's like apparently they don't know what a zombie is. I'm sorry, if I hear someone making that noise, I'm like, oh, so you're gonna be a zombie. This is a universe. But that's also just LA.

SPEAKER_05 7:20

The zombies don't act like like normal, you know? They they got their quirks about 'em, you know. Every every zombie movie has to do it different.

SPEAKER_07 7:29

Yeah, definitely. These ones are a little different with the whole like uh being blind-ish kind of thing. Yeah. In the dark. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:37

You know?

SPEAKER_07 7:38

Yeah. Yeah, but I mean they're pretty true to like what a zombie is for the most part.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

But okay, so tell me this. Wouldn't eradicating the zombies be the easiest thing if these people figured this out on a train on its way to Busan from Seoul? Wouldn't any military intelligence have this information and they kill the grid and go completely dark and wear night vision and hunt 'em? Or just take them all out?

Are They Zombies Or Infected

SPEAKER_05 8:14

Will you survive tactic? Soundtrap. You could fucking find a big ass canyon, loud ass speaker, they'll all start running towards it and draw 'em to it. Yeah, like do it in the middle of the night, they'll f they'll draw to it, all funnel in, nuke. Oh, I don't think you would need a nuke.

SPEAKER_07 8:32

But I was gonna say, I feel like we could save some money.

SPEAKER_05 8:36

Do something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

You think napon can drown this one? You know, I don't think so because they require like drowning requires the necessity of breathing. And I don't think any zombies have the necessity of breathing.

SPEAKER_05 8:50

So are we officially classifying these as zombies?

SPEAKER_02 8:53

I do. I think these are zombies.

SPEAKER_05 8:55

I feel like they're a nice mix between infected and zombies. No, they're dead. I don't no, I don't think they necessarily die like oh no, they're they're gone.

SPEAKER_07 9:07

Their veins are black, they're dead.

SPEAKER_02 9:09

They're gone. I think they're completely dead.

SPEAKER_05 9:11

I feel like this is more like rabies-esque.

SPEAKER_07 9:14

But okay, but ever since I saw um The Night Eats the World, was that what it was? Yep. Ever since I saw that one, it did bring up the interesting idea that technically they do need air because they're groaning and making loud noises and stuff, so they are pushing air through their body. I like in The Night Eats the World that the zombies were silent. They would just be like random croaks in their in their throats. That's horrifying. That's so much worse. That was, and I I like that as like canon way more when it comes to zombies.

SPEAKER_05 9:45

Yeah, but then again, clickers.

SPEAKER_07 9:46

True, but clickers are fungal. So but fungal is so different. I but like when we're talking about like a more traditional zombie than like a virus, the 90s to the living, I think, has a really horrifying zombie. But it's because of that. But I I don't know if that's the metric we really want to use to decide what a zombie is, because then I think a lot of zombie movies fall apart.

SPEAKER_05 10:05

I um I don't think I was there when you watched it, but um that's a that's another good one.

SPEAKER_07 10:11

Do we just start from the beginning? Yeah, we just redo all the movies we've already done. Remix.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

There's a couple I definitely like to do over again.

SPEAKER_05 10:19

But theory, um well, I haven't seen that movie at all. Um do they hoard? Do they do they group up in that movie?

SPEAKER_07 10:26

Um when they hear sound, but not like naturally.

SPEAKER_05 10:29

Not like naturally? Okay, so do zombies naturally hoard because they hear each other? So that makes sense. I've always thought each other.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

So that would go back to Max Brooks again in uh World War Z in the book. They actually point that out, which makes the most sense. I agree. If zombies react to sound, you have the situ the situation where uh a noise is made, a zombie grunts and groans and starts moving, and another zombie hears him grunt and groan and starts moving towards it. So I think that would cause them to hoard together. They would they would amass together because they make noise. That's what made the night eats the world so terrifying because they were so silent, they weren't drawing other zombies to them. It was the noise that drew them.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 11:13

Yeah. I mean, so that's just a fun thing to think about.

Fan Theories On Origins And Blame

Do Zombies Horde Because Of Sound

SPEAKER_02 11:16

So I think we've discussed this in other episodes, but we've never gotten to discuss this with you, TJ, about your uh fan the fan theory. This is a widely known fan theory that the outbreak originated from uh biotech cover-up, and that our main character, uh Siakwu, was on the phone with some of his colleagues. And if you recall, I believe he worked for a financial uh like a broker and he told them to pull all of their money out. Yeah. And they warned him against it. Now, it's a a a very well-known fan theory that that that action is what caused it. And of course, our director left us in the dark. He never confirmed that that's what caused it, but I think that's it keeps the mystery alive, what caused it, and it makes it so that you can't debunk them.

SPEAKER_05 12:03

Like the director of the thing is never gonna say who was the thing at the end.

SPEAKER_02 12:07

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 12:07

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 12:08

I I like what you said there. I mean, it it is kind of a cop-out, but in like a kind of I mean, I guess it's just kind of cliche now that they do it, but like a lot of zombie movies, you can't try to explain everything or you're gonna get debunked. Someone's gonna step in and be like, that makes zero sense. But if you leave it open, which is kind of like the characters wouldn't know the whole story. And I think I like when directors do that. Yeah, that's what I liked about the last movie we watched is that they didn't answer everything. And I I think that that leaves it open-ended where they don't have to explain everything, and you can kind of fill in the gaps how you want, whatever makes the story better to you, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

Well, and speaking on that, something that fans also cite as a theory is uh the homeless man being a um an ignored prophet, if you will. He was like warning everybody on the train before it came, which I think makes the most sense because he's on the street. Like that's where this is gonna happen, right? It's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_07 13:12

I think the prequel explains that or like even shows that.

SPEAKER_02 13:15

I I agree. You know, we didn't know that when the movie came out because the prequel didn't come out till a month later, but I it was very well documented in there that it started in the subway stations where the homeless were. Yeah. And um that's something that uh, you know, they actually call it the uh ignored profit trope, where there's always somebody who's talking about the dangers, what's coming, and nobody listens to them.

SPEAKER_07 13:39

I never heard of that before.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

But it I mean that that me I haven't heard of the name the ignored prophet, but that trope is very well known. You always have somebody who's telling everybody. Yeah, it kind of is.

SPEAKER_06 13:50

That's good. We are the ignored profit profit. It's a heavy metal band for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

And of course, his uh the the homeless man, his death is the um the most heroic tragic sacrifice, if you will. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:04

So I I think his death was the the brother, they ignored him the entire time and then like he should have made it to the end, not that old fuck.

SPEAKER_02 14:13

Yep. You could also argue that you could also argue that he knew if he threw the coat over that homeless guy's eyes when um when our main character uh was Chuck Wu.

SPEAKER_05 14:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:25

When he was uh wrestling with the soldiers in the first train station, uh the homeless man runs up, throws the coat over his eyes, and he just stops. So it's like once again, you know, he he knows something that nobody's gonna be.

SPEAKER_07 14:40

Do we think he already knew that, or was that like just an accident?

SPEAKER_05 14:43

It was either like, oh, he's just trying to buy a little time, or he like knew for a fact, like maybe he was like, you know, because if you're you know you're homeless, you're like you gr you tend to group around more homeless. Yep. So like he's like, damn, I've talked before. Yeah. So you can cover their eyes and then they they chill out.

SPEAKER_07 15:00

That's interesting, because I didn't I didn't see it that way. Like when I first saw it, I I just assumed actually the first couple times I've seen it, I I've always assumed that he was just kind of tossing it, like I don't know, it didn't seem intentional, and then when it got over the zombie's head, he was like, Oh. So I don't know, maybe I misread that.

SPEAKER_02 15:19

There was there's a couple of things about it too that you could be right, because another reason why you would throw the coat over his head is he can't bite.

SPEAKER_07 15:26

Yeah, well, I kind of thought like maybe he was like trying to put it over to like strangle him or something, but then he like, I don't know, like draped it and ran. Like, and then it just went over the head and it blinded it, and then it worked. So it's like, oh shoot, well, look at that.

SPEAKER_05 15:39

Um another thing I wanted to point out, uh, this is another movie that you know shows that if you wrap your arms in something that humans can't normally bite through, you're probably not gonna get bit through it. But they didn't think to protect their hands. Yeah, multiple times somebody got bit on the hand and then got turned into a zombie. So guys, including gloves. Yep. The glove gloves. Motorcycle gloves. You know, okay.

SPEAKER_07 16:05

Not that not that they can't still hurt you or that they can't still break a freaking finger, but like they're not gonna do that. I I do think like as long as it's not like World War Z zombies, which were just ruthless and ferocious, I I do kind of feel like a real life zombie apocalypse. I feel like getting bit shouldn't be that common. Like you wear a leather jacket with leather gloves, like like real leather stuff that's you can't really bite through. You might still take some damage, you're gonna get hurt, but unless you're enhanced, they're not you're not gonna get exactly unless they're like World War Z zombies, I think you're fine.

SPEAKER_05 16:42

Yeah, also the main thing that you know we've thought about would be like an actual issue is protecting yourself from the viscera getting in any of your orifices. Yes. Yes. So you would want to wear a constant gas mask and goggles and just PPE straight up, like if you'd wear a fucking hazmat suit.

SPEAKER_07 17:00

So here's the thing we can't stay in LA.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

No, you we that's why I would go for a if I could if I could get just get down to the coast, you would get a Kevlar shark suit in near the aquarium, or if you get out to Catalina, um, you could go to some more specialty sporting goods stores, get the same thing.

SPEAKER_05 17:19

Guys, hear me out. We make a movie basically the exact same movie, except it takes place on the west coast. Call it train to Seattle, and it's you guys trying to get to me. Well train. It's just the US bus to Seattle.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

That's not that bad.

SPEAKER_05 17:35

No, it would be train, then bus, then another train, then you have to wait a day, and then another bus, and then another train to Seattle. It's a long title, but we're working on it.

SPEAKER_07 17:44

It's a working title.

SPEAKER_02 17:45

So let's let's look at that. One thing that I saw as a complaint of this movie, and it's only one, is that in order for that train to make it from Seoul to Busan, it would take approximately six hours of drive time. And there are many switches involved that would require someone at a remote location to continue making for them to make.

SPEAKER_06 18:05

Boo, nerd, boo.

SPEAKER_02 18:07

Now, nonetheless. Boo. Sorry. How are you going to uh we're gonna we're gonna ignore that? How do you think? I want to know. I've I've done some research on this. How do you think the power grid in Seoul Tubusan would hold up in this?

SPEAKER_07 18:21

This kind of goes back to the question that we've had before. How fast would the power grids go down?

SPEAKER_05 18:28

Legitimate, because it takes it like everybody like the power grid takes constant like people on it, you know? Like you have to be watching it and flipping shit and what I don't know. I'm not an electrician, but I know for a fact you have to be constantly on it. So I think it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_07 18:43

No, but assuming something assuming something catastrophic doesn't happen right away, you have some time. So like I think the power grid would be okay, but I think it's in the zombie apocalypse.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

Uh you're gonna have people who stop showing up, they're not coming in. Like the weird thing for me is when when people at work turn, because it's like, who goes into work feeling that terrible? Or or maybe maybe they don't, you know, maybe they they got a bite and they're like, oh, I feel like I'm hungover, you know.

SPEAKER_07 19:10

I don't know. There's some flus that I've I've gotten to work. I'm super emotional.

SPEAKER_05 19:15

I've been I've been going to work all week. So them all them fucking old people getting zombified, dude. You think they're gonna be able to stop that? No.

SPEAKER_02 19:23

With that, we'll go, we'll go. There's some people who go, but the Can I interrupt you really quick?

SPEAKER_07 19:28

What I think we should make a movie where a zombie apocalypse starts in a nursing home.

SPEAKER_02 19:32

Uh it exists.

SPEAKER_07 19:33

Really? What movie? Yeah. Uh Granny's called.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

No, it's called uh That would be it. Zombies versus Cockneys.

SPEAKER_07 19:40

You fuck with me or is that real? That's true. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 19:43

No, how about we make one, we call it Jeremy, but end it with a Z. Oh. Oh, nice. Oh, that's good. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

But it's it does have like a a really funny scene where one the zombies are all surrounding one of the elderly. He's just outside lounging on a chair. He's napping, like, well, they haven't noticed him yet. And they're calling out his name. Edgar, wake up, Edgar! You got zombies on you. And he gets up and he goes, Oh, oh, and he's walking in his walker and he's like barely staying ahead of them, trying to get back to the uh the inside of the nursing room.

SPEAKER_05 20:17

Funny thing, old people just don't use the like rails on their wheelchairs to move, they just use their feet.

SPEAKER_02 20:25

Yeah, I've seen that.

SPEAKER_05 20:26

Yeah, I think that is so funny, and then they love just stopping in the middle of the hallway. It's like their favorite thing to do in the most inconvenient spot. Like I'm moving an entire bed, rolling it to another room, just stop right there. That's that's cool. You sit there, Gertrude. You're chilling. Her next got tired, man. Why are you like, if your legs are tired, go next to the rail that's on the wall and like pull yourself or something?

SPEAKER_07 20:54

Nah, her arms are tired.

SPEAKER_02 20:56

So here's uh here's what I learned. Researching the power grids. You'd be surprised, TJ. Uh down here where we're at in Los Angeles, we could see power outage in as little as zero to six hours because we are primarily on gas and uh you know, uh, as they say, fossil fuels, whatever.

SPEAKER_07 21:15

Oh, so we'd be screwed.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

Yeah, we ours would drop out in zero to six hours. But even in the case of Train du Busan, a six-hour train ride, theoretically, this is like from the absolute cutoff, nobody's going in and working on the grid anymore, nobody's working on the power plant. You have zero, you have anywhere from immediate to six hours. See someone's there, you've got six hours.

SPEAKER_07 21:42

Yeah, I agree with a point you made earlier that uh they they would be like short staffed before this like really started. Right. So it there would be problems hours beforehand that would amount to a situation like. So are we saying that train de Busan is debunked? It will it never actually happen. This documentary is bad.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

No. No, not at all. Because they would have at least they would have at least six hours, if any, but if someone was there making the switches on the trains, someone's there at the power plant. Now, here's why here's why Train de Busan, why Seoul to Busan would be fine. Uh their power grid is primarily nuclear. So it's not gonna go down. It's about a third is nuclear. So they wouldn't even be affected for weeks. Okay, so it is fine.

SPEAKER_05 22:35

Then it would be a real issue.

SPEAKER_02 22:37

Then it would be a really big issue.

SPEAKER_05 22:40

And like Chernobyl just everything now.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

I will tell you the big surprise out of Seoul, Los Angeles, and Washington State. Do you know who fares the best?

SPEAKER_05 22:53

Washington State.

SPEAKER_02 22:54

Washington State. We got GBLM, baby. Do you know what that is? Do you know what your what your power grid is?

SPEAKER_05 23:01

Um isn't it nuclear?

SPEAKER_02 23:04

Nope.

SPEAKER_05 23:04

Oh no. Is it wind? Solar?

SPEAKER_02 23:07

No, dude. Yours is uh yours is uh hydropower.

SPEAKER_05 23:11

Is it?

SPEAKER_02 23:12

You have a hydroelectric plant. You guys are a part of the city.

SPEAKER_05 23:16

I know we do have some wind farms here though.

SPEAKER_02 23:18

Oh you you probably do, you know, but you guys are uh you guys are very well balanced to um to have most of it is on the hydroelectric plant. And from what I'm reading, there's not a lot of necessity for people because the water just comes. That's the fuel, right? The water creates it. Now, one of the biggest problems that we have down here in Los Angeles is we would have spikes. You would have major generation, right? Power generation, power generation, it's all getting pushed out, and the demand would start dropping and it would never rise, and they would never turn off generators. So you would have overheating, you would have seizing motors, you would have generators running out of fuel. It would be, it would, it really would be catastrophic. Because if you don't have people maintaining it, adding more fuel, turning off generators when the when the uh the need is low, uh, that's when you're gonna start to have major problems. Overpowering, overcharging.

SPEAKER_05 24:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:19

But Washington State would fare the easiest. Now it would still be a couple of weeks.

SPEAKER_05 24:25

Go work here. We got plenty of islands. It would still be a couple of weeks.

SPEAKER_02 24:33

The walking dead.

SPEAKER_05 24:34

Yeah, we could be the walking dead up in this bitch. Unless the governor governor comes by and uh Yeah, but we're on an island, so it's easier to defend.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

That that would be better. Fucking I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 24:45

I forgot who our governor is right now. I don't think it's it's not Jay Insley anymore, but you know, that motherfucker come by cuts off fucking Eric's head.

SPEAKER_07 24:56

Why me?

SPEAKER_05 24:57

Because you hold the group together. You think me and Alex are gonna be cool? You're gonna you're gonna keep the level because we're gonna be making fun of you the whole time. Oh my if you're not there, then we're gonna start beefing with each other.

SPEAKER_07 25:11

Wow, I'm just the group's punching bag. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:14

You're the bard.

SPEAKER_05 25:15

And then who the f and then Cozy's gonna die. Who's gonna take care of him? We're not. He's probably getting eaten. I'm gonna eat him. What the fuck? It's like getting roasted, right? Right with your body too.

SPEAKER_07 25:25

I had a co- I had a co-worker ask me, if I was the last chicken alive on earth, would you keep me as a pet or would you eat me? Which is the most if I was a worm question that you could get with a coworker. And I was like, Well, are you like the last chicken or the last source of food? Because like if you're the last chicken, I'll just keep you as a pet. I don't like chicken that much. I was like, also, do I know it's you? And she's like, you know it's me. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 25:59

That's oh my god, that's a great question. It's really funny. Um, if you were a skinny chicken.

SPEAKER_07 26:07

Yeah, he's under the rug. Under the rug. Good band, by the way, under the rug. Under the rug. Yeah, I actually really like that band. Um shout out that band, not the name me. Um, what was I saying? Oh, so I said uh she was like, Yeah, I'm the last source of food. I'm like, probably eat. Like, I'd make it quick. And she was like, What the fuck? And then she legitimately had a tear in her eye.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

Self-inflicted punishment.

SPEAKER_07 26:35

Yeah, I was like, Oh, what do you want from me? You everything now she was like, you would still starve.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

And I'm like, Yeah, well here's another here's another uh train to Busan fan.

Teamwork, Baseball Crew, And Tactics

SPEAKER_06 26:45

It's a crazy question, TJ.

SPEAKER_02 26:47

This one I like. The train is a microcosm of Korean class structure. You know what they mean by that? Do you want me to explain a little more?

SPEAKER_05 26:54

What'd that mean?

SPEAKER_02 26:56

They show the film in progression as the zombies are moving from the lower class cars to the upper class cars, where the upper class cars, of course, the uh the wealthier passengers were refusing to help.

SPEAKER_07 27:08

Uh yes, me and intellectual did understand such an impressive uh uh architecture of the job.

SPEAKER_02 27:15

I did not realize that that was such a heidi uh qu a question.

SPEAKER_05 27:18

What'd that mean?

SPEAKER_02 27:28

Remember how they closed the doors and wouldn't open them?

SPEAKER_07 27:31

Yeah. Uh yes. As I believe Socrates said, um, bitches be poor.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Yeah, that wasn't Socrates.

SPEAKER_07 27:39

I'm pretty sure he wasn't.

SPEAKER_05 27:40

That one motherfucker said, everybody wants to fuck their mom.

SPEAKER_07 27:44

Whoa! Ah yes, uh Oedipist, my favorite. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

Well, so what do you think? Do you think they they about Oedipus? No. Do you think they showed that in this movie? Was that was that a class structure thing when that that asshole that shouldn't have survived did survive?

SPEAKER_05 28:06

Right off the jump. He's like, I'm the stupid. Engineer operator? Yeah, whatever. I don't the the stupid hoe. He's like, I'm the COO, you do as I say type shit. No, fuck off. It's zombies. You you don't matter anymore. Goodbye. Oh, there you go. You know, like sit the fuck down.

PPE, Bite Prevention, And Gear

SPEAKER_07 28:28

So I I I try to give it some like some leeway in a sense that I I wouldn't immediately I like even though I am on a podcast with you guys about mostly zombies, I think if I'm on a train and I start seeing things that are like zombies, I I really don't think I'm immediately going, yep, those are zombies. I think the realistic side of you is that you're in real life going, what the fuck just happened? You're in shock.

SPEAKER_05 28:58

You know what? I might not think zombies, but I might think super tweaker.

SPEAKER_07 29:02

I would uh see that's what I would think is like, oh my god, it's a Florida bath salt situation. Yeah. Like I wouldn't immediately think zombie. So I'd be like, that was insane, but like I gotta try to get on with the rest of my day. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 29:15

We make a zombie movie, but it we call it tweakers, but it ends in a Z. And they try to stab you with noodles.

SPEAKER_07 29:22

I these all sound like awful Netflix movies.

SPEAKER_05 29:25

Dude, and guess what? They'll be right on Tubi.

SPEAKER_07 29:28

Yeah, yeah, they will be. Actually, we're talking shit on Tubi. I actually think Tubi's pretty great. Tubi is good.

SPEAKER_02 29:36

There's a couple of things on Tubi that are uh what was the one? What's the one I just saw?

SPEAKER_05 29:43

It's not embarrassing when Tubi has a bad movie, but it is really embarrassing when like the big ones do, like HBO, Amazon, whatever.

SPEAKER_07 29:52

Like that like Netflix, dude. So find a bad movie.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

What is a bad movie?

SPEAKER_05 29:59

Fucking War of the Worlds with Ice Cube in it.

SPEAKER_02 30:01

Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah, that was pretty bad.

Audio Design And Mismatched Tones

SPEAKER_05 30:03

He's like, run, run, run, sitting by on a computer monitor, his kid died. He's like, oh no. Gotta hack the mainframe. Uh how you gonna give Ice Cube, like, the least articulate speaking dude, a fucking computer job where he's like hacking into shit and needs to say all these words, bro. And it just sounds like he's like he he it he has to be in a role that he like believes, you know? Nobody is believing ice cube works for the fucking CIA as the super hacker man. You know? Sure got on Tom Cruise again.

SPEAKER_07 30:43

You know, like make it make sense.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

This movie could be on TB and nobody would complain.

SPEAKER_07 30:47

Exactly. I think people would be happy if it was on TV.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

What other movies? I I think I saw God, what is that called? Is it Hellhouse LLC? Is that what it's called?

SPEAKER_07 30:57

Is that the like first person one?

SPEAKER_02 30:59

That's it, that's it, right? Yeah. That's uh haunted house. Yeah, it's kind of a uh found footage.

SPEAKER_07 31:07

Oh, found footage. Okay, different. It's uh you ever seen those like first person movies? Like Hardcore Henry. Yeah, Hardcore Henry. There was one I watched. Uh it's not maybe it's it's not VHS. Uh VHS is a fucking weird movie. It is.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

I haven't seen that one. You've never seen VHS.

SPEAKER_07 31:24

We gotta watch VHS. It's that's a f those movies are, if I recall, are kind of fucked.

SPEAKER_05 31:29

You want a really, really bad movie? Look up the the fucking sequel to um American Psycho. Yeah. Okay. Bad. Bet you didn't know it had a sequel, did you?

SPEAKER_02 31:40

Didn't even know.

SPEAKER_05 31:40

Uh, and who do you think the main person playing the killer is? Because it is not Patrick Bateman anymore. Whatever that motherfucker's name was. It's Mila Coonis. Mila Kunis. Mila Kunis. What?

SPEAKER_07 31:53

Is the Okay, I do like Mila Kunis, but is she good in it?

SPEAKER_05 32:01

It wasn't even supposed to be called American Psycho 2. They just threw it on there in hopes that people would go watch it.

SPEAKER_07 32:08

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 32:10

So there is a movie that everybody always talks about, and I'm trying to find it real quick. American Psycho 2? No, it's called uh it's like I believe they label it the most gruesome horror movie ever. Commonly called the worst horror movie ever. It's like people watch it once and then never want to see it again.

SPEAKER_05 32:29

Human centipede.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

Well, okay, that it's it's along those lines, but this is allegedly worse than that.

SPEAKER_05 32:35

I think I know what you're talking about. I can't really like look it up because my phone is my camera. I know what you're talking about though.

SPEAKER_02 32:43

It is a movie that they say.

SPEAKER_05 32:45

It's like a real disgusting movie.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 32:48

Okay. I think if if you're gonna find it, I think look up uh look up iceberg of like gruesome movies. I'm sure it'll be on there.

SPEAKER_02 32:57

Iceberg?

SPEAKER_05 32:58

Yeah. Yeah. Because people do like tier list basically, but it's like levels of an iceberg. So there's like surface surface level shit, and then there's like right when it's touching the water, which would be like human centipede, and then there's like the dark shit. Let me see if I can find it actually.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

That's funny. Oh, these are all Japanese ones. The iceberg charts. Oh my god, this is this is for real.

SPEAKER_07 33:26

Yeah, that's a real thing.

SPEAKER_05 33:28

IMDB iceberg from top to bottom.

SPEAKER_02 33:32

I know once I know once I see it, I'll know it. As soon as I see it.

SPEAKER_05 33:35

I I think I know exactly what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 33:38

It's not.

SPEAKER_05 33:45

Fast as fuck, boy. Did you see a Serbian film?

SPEAKER_02 33:52

Yes, yes! There you go. That's it. That's it. But that's all that's number 20 on the list.

SPEAKER_05 33:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

But that's the one that is like always spoken about. Never gonna watch that again. I saw it once, I can never go through that again. It's called a Serbian film.

SPEAKER_05 34:12

I will read the summary with a lot of censor. Uh, an aging XXX star agrees to participate in an art film in order to make a clean break from the business from the business. Only to discover that he has been drafted into making PDF and uh N E C R O uh themed snuff films.

SPEAKER_02 34:36

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 34:37

Yeah. That is what it is. I knew exactly which one you were talking about. Yeah. I watch videos about fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

That's the one.

SPEAKER_05 34:45

And it's only 20, which is wild.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

I know.

SPEAKER_05 34:51

I have no idea what that is. Number 52 has a very disturbing uh poster on it.

SPEAKER_07 34:56

Anyways, train of Busan, guys. Yeah. I I sorry, I got nothing to add to that. I I mean the worst I feel like I've seen is like I think VHS is pretty bad, but then there's this other first person movie that I I saw, I think on just like Netflix one day, which is kind of it couldn't have been Netflix actually, but it was like another first person movie, kind of like Hardcore Henry, but this one was like really gory and really gruesome. Um it's just kind of a really fucked up movie, honestly. Oh I don't know. It was like a Hell Hotel or something. I don't know. Something I cannot ridiculous.

SPEAKER_05 35:37

Yeah, I know. That's all I can think of is hardcore Henry. I know there are more first person, I'm sure.

Morality, Class Themes, And The COO

SPEAKER_02 35:43

So on another like on another note, I want to get what your guys' uh opinion on the fan theory that the baseball team represents collective immunity, that their teamwork and communication together helps them survive longer than most of the other groups on the on the train. Now they do go down, but you know what what made them go down was that that one guy's uh girlfriend goes. Yeah, and he just took himself out with her. But I think there's a little bit to it. I don't know if I would I don't know if I would say that uh I don't know if I would say that it was collective immunity. I I think that might just be a bad term. I think the best way to say it is teamwork and communication really does help in this kind of a situation.

SPEAKER_05 36:34

Yeah, especially against Korean fast zombies.

SPEAKER_07 36:38

I agree. I agree. I don't know if I I think that's giving them a lot of credit, to be honest, um, for a group who died not too long into Apocalypse. Yeah, like yeah, I think only one of them made it out, right?

SPEAKER_05 36:55

The guy's girlfriend made it to the Yeah, no, there was all the ones on the train car, and then there was the two that got taken out before main baseball guy and his girl got on.

SPEAKER_07 37:06

Right. Okay, yeah. So I don't know. I feel like that's a little bit of a stretch. I feel like that's like trying to like it ain't that deep, I think.

SPEAKER_02 37:13

But no, I I think I think that it would have been easy enough to just say good communication and teamwork would assist in Yeah, because when they had it, it was good.

SPEAKER_07 37:23

Yeah, but it it fell apart pretty quick.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

Uh let's see, what else? Um we talk about, of course, in most of these movies, the uh pregnant woman is gonna be quote unquote immune. Not literally, not really, but the director, the writer, the the uh behind the scenes, they're not gonna take out the pregnant woman. We've we've known a few directors who would do that.

SPEAKER_05 37:46

This movie was made in 2025 or 2026. Maybe she would have given birth well being bit.

SPEAKER_07 37:53

Yeah, she'd get bit and then return but give birth. You know what? No. Three times.

SPEAKER_05 37:58

I've seen it three times that somebody is infected and gives birth. Because last of us.

SPEAKER_07 38:04

Oh yeah. Uh kind, yeah, kinda. Which one? Um, Ellie's birth. Um Ellie's mom got bit.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

Oh, oh, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_07 38:16

Did you know Ashley Johnson is plays the mother and she's the voice of Ellie in the game? Oh, really? Ashley Johnson is also part of Critical Role. And she uh she plays DD with that really famous group. And she is hilarious, especially in the third campaign when she plays Fern. Love her.

SPEAKER_05 38:34

The main um the dude who plays Joel is also in The Last of Us Show. He plays that one PDF who is trying to get with Ellie, you know, that she beats to death. Um he plays his like little sidekick. That's him.

SPEAKER_07 38:52

That's crazy. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_05 38:53

Yeah, that that's who plays Joel. And you wouldn't think that because Joel's a big gruff man, but dude's just he's everywhere in voice acting. He was just in the freaking uh Iron Lung movie.

SPEAKER_07 39:05

So that's the thing about voice actors, they are in fucking everything. Yeah, the good ones are in literally everything. It's crazy. It's like weird because like you think you want unique voices for like you know, but like all the what's so great about them is like all their voices are just variations of the same voice.

SPEAKER_05 39:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 39:29

But they just have like they're so solid uh on like a core set, and then they have variations of all of them that just make it so that they have like hundreds of voices that they can do. It's and then it's so cool. I heard uh Brennan Lee Mulligan talking about it once when he said like how he does voices for NPCs, and he said he basically he has scales that he uses, so it's like a weak voice to a strong voice, and like your the voice will fall somewhere within there, and that affects how he's going to portray that voice. And then he says, like, is it a low voice to a high voice? And it's another scale. There's so many scales that you go down and and adjust when you're making a voice, and then you have like this completely unique voice for this character. Um, not whether or not you can really do that and portray it, but that's what makes these voiced actors so good is that they can.

SPEAKER_05 40:25

You gotta be actor to be a voice actor, you know.

SPEAKER_07 40:28

I love seeing uh you guys ever seen what the filming of Rango looked like? Mm-hmm. The the like Pixar movie. Is it Pixar? Oh yeah, yeah. What is it? Rango. Or Dreamworks? It's not Dreamworks. Uh is it Pixar? Or is it just something else?

SPEAKER_05 40:43

I can't remember if it's Disney or Blue Sky.

SPEAKER_07 40:46

But like Johnny Depp and um the other actors were physically acting out all the scenes that these that this animated lizard and animated animals did.

SPEAKER_05 40:59

And they would um for Fantastic H you ever seen Fantastic Mr. Fox?

SPEAKER_07 41:03

No, actually.

The Song As Signal Of Humanity

SPEAKER_05 41:04

You've never seen Fantastic Mr. Fox? You should. That's a really good uh like uh it's not it's stop motion, not claymation. Um they actually like were filming like they were filming them and recording their like audio like in spaces that like basically the characters were in. So if on a motorcycle they're recording the you know I think it's clever sound design if you could do it right.

SPEAKER_07 41:32

If you if you could still hear the voices, which is really the main part, then it's really cool and immersive. Because uh audio really does play such a big factor in a lot of these movies and shows. I think it's I don't think it's uncommon for people to kind of just overlook it. Because even in like music editing, even in music editing, it's there's a lot of very subtle things that like I can point out and you'll listen to it and be like, oh yeah, I hear that. But that's what makes it interesting is that your ears are picking up on those subtle changes, you don't notice it. Right. So like when I when I have two tracks, one on the left and one on the right, and the left one's on, the right one's off, then the right one's on, the left one's on, or and then the right one's on, and the left one's off, and I just keep doing that throughout a verse. You with all the other elements going, you don't necessarily hear that happening, but it is something that's making the verse interesting and unique so that you don't get bored, and you don't really know why you're not getting bored of it, but it's because this element is changing so subtly. It it's a lot of subtlety.

SPEAKER_05 42:45

Yeah, and I wanna I was thinking about something similar with like audio design with and like you know scoring and whatever. Um most zombie movies, if they're doing a badass fight scene between a bunch of dudes and zombies, it'd be like, I don't know, heavy metal, some like crazy ass like you know, something. But the music they were playing while they were making their way through the cars was more like it was kind of calming, but like it was you know, it it wasn't what normally would be. Right. So if you you know, go rewatch that scene.

SPEAKER_07 43:26

Now is that common for Korean movies or is that well it's is it a culture thing or is this was this a design choice?

SPEAKER_02 43:34

No, it that's a that's a um what do you call it? It is a there's a term for it, and it's become increasingly popular where you clash the senses.

SPEAKER_05 43:46

I know the word you're saying, but I I can't remember the word.

SPEAKER_02 43:49

I I'm trying to remember it. We've talked about it on the podcast before. But it's a it's a clash of the senses where um remember it goes all the way back to the original Bioshock. That's where I think you would remember this conversation. The original Bioshock, where you're descending down into the sea and it's that song Somewhere.

SPEAKER_07 44:07

Oh, yeah, yeah. We did talk about that.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

And then you get down to the bottom and the lights are flickering and it's dark and it's creepy and you hear noises. It is like your eyes are telling you to be afraid. Your ears are telling you everything is okay. And it's just not right. And there's a few movies, I mean, it goes all the way back. I believe that there are some movies they've done it to us in the uh in the late 70s. But it became very popular once again in the uh 2000s that they will do this clash and it's I cannot remember the word.

SPEAKER_07 44:44

That's interesting. I I don't know if I've ever actually noticed that.

SPEAKER_05 44:49

Yeah, I I the word is it's words are running away from me today.

SPEAKER_02 44:54

Discordant symphony. When they when they don't they're not supposed to align. You have that calming music and chaotic visual. It's it's together, but it's not supposed to be. It's not supposed to work. And it's supposed to have a a jarring effect on you. It's supposed to make you feel worse than you otherwise would have if it would have been exactly like you were saying, I always think of the uh ridiculousness of uh Do you remember the movie Cable Guy with Jim Carrey?

SPEAKER_07 45:29

No.

SPEAKER_02 45:30

You don't remember that? TJ, did you ever see that one?

SPEAKER_05 45:33

I feel like you've brought this up on the podcast. So me and Eric are both. Have I? I feel like you have.

SPEAKER_02 45:38

I I don't know. I always feel that I always feel that Eric would know it because he was a big fan of Ace Ventura.

SPEAKER_07 45:45

That's the only Jim Carrey movie I really watched.

SPEAKER_05 45:48

Liz and I've seen more since, but I haven't seen what was it, the number 23 or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 45:55

Oh, that was dark.

SPEAKER_05 45:57

Love that movie.

SPEAKER_07 45:58

I still haven't seen the Truman Show.

SPEAKER_02 46:01

The Truman Show's a heartbreaker.

SPEAKER_05 46:03

Yeah, as I say 23 and look over, we're at an hour and two minutes with 30 seconds. 123. What time is it? 1213. There's a two and a three.

SPEAKER_04 46:19

I see it.

SPEAKER_02 46:20

It's connected.

SPEAKER_04 46:21

One plus two is one. It's all connected. Three plus one is four. Thirty-four, baby.

SPEAKER_02 46:28

Okay, so here's something that requires a little more thought, and I want to see what your guys' take on this is. The COO was infected long before we thought he was. Now, hear me out. This was not meant to be a literal infection. It was meant to show the infection of society, meaning that his erratic behavior, his poor decision making, his paranoia were all the same traits that would be if he was actually physically bitten and turning. Right. He would have all of those same features. But he was infected, if you will, long before he was ever bitten. He was already turning into a zombie.

SPEAKER_07 47:13

I mean, I guess. To me, this feels like another, all right, bro, like I guess. Like, I don't know. I I guess I do agree. It just it feels like it ain't that deep. Yeah, sometimes sucks.

SPEAKER_05 47:26

Sometimes it is that deep, sometimes it's not. But I feel like you can draw conclusions from the case.

SPEAKER_07 47:31

I think yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:32

Well, there's a reason why he lived to the end. I think like he provided no use.

SPEAKER_07 47:37

I oh I think the reason he lived to the end is to get you to be like, oh my god, please fucking kill him. Like, because like that's the effect it has on you when you're watching the movie where you're like, I can't believe this guy's still alive. This guy sucks so bad.

SPEAKER_02 47:50

Like, but I'm I'm surprised that you think that because in every movie where somebody sucks that bad, they always live to the end.

SPEAKER_07 47:56

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 47:57

The evil guy always lives to the end. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_07 47:59

I think it's just a trope. I don't think it's that deep. I think it's just a trope. Fucking Negan's still alive.

SPEAKER_02 48:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:04

Motherfucker guys don't spinoff. Where's the Glenn?

SPEAKER_02 48:07

As they say, as they say, only the good die young, right?

SPEAKER_06 48:10

Glenn. I suppose.

SPEAKER_02 48:12

Glenn. Poor Glenn.

SPEAKER_07 48:14

Yeah, so that's what I'm like. I mean, I guess. I I like I I do I do see it. I do agree. I think it ain't that deep. I think the trope is that the the sucky guy lives to the end to make you not like the sucky guy. And that's why Alex would live to the end. Exactly. I mean, I would never say that to the host. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 48:35

Oh don't try to pander with no, we're having a great conversation. I'm engaged.

SPEAKER_07 48:42

I'll have you know. I have a great next episode idea.

SPEAKER_05 48:46

I also have a great next episode idea.

SPEAKER_07 48:49

Mine's better. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 48:51

Is it a zombie movie?

SPEAKER_07 48:52

It's not a zombie movie, but it's better. I have tabs of movies. I I could pick a movie, but I think I got something better for the next episode.

SPEAKER_02 49:01

Well, then I'm gonna I'm gonna determine based on how you answer this question.

SPEAKER_07 49:06

Oh I love the question. Great question. Go on.

SPEAKER_02 49:10

So we know the the ending song, right? Aloha away. Oh yeah. She the little girl sings. Now it's not we all agree it wasn't meant to just be an emotional tearjerker. She was providing a signal to the troops, right? Like there was a reason she was doing that. It's it's not for simplicity.

SPEAKER_05 49:30

It's not just trying to like calm herself and also, you know, make sure she's known, you know.

SPEAKER_02 49:36

We we knew that the troops were about to blast.

SPEAKER_05 49:40

Yeah.

Remakes, Sequels, And Bullet Trains

SPEAKER_02 49:40

Right? Like they they saw two people walking down and then they hear her singing. That's that's intelligent beyond what the zombies ever showed. Um, which I think it's really smart. You know, it's not smart because you're likely to draw more upon you, but in their situation as they're walking up on a guarded post, if they knew it was a guarded post, to be singing that to show we're you know we're human, we're not, we're not uh turned. I think that's smart. But the fan theory is suggesting that it's recognized that humans and humanity is recognized through culture, not just our physical biology, which I like that in the zombie genre because we are the same biology, if you will, as the zombie. There's just some major differences between us.

SPEAKER_07 50:29

See, I do agree with that, and I don't think that's looking too deep into it because I think that I know it sounds like I'm pandering, but that's but I do agree with that one. I I think um it it it is basically to say like it's it's hard to tell them apart, so you gotta show something like some part of humanity that the zombies have lost to prove that you are not lost. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 50:55

Um so don't break dance. If don't break dance, you will get shot. They're like, dude, that zombie is tweaking out.

SPEAKER_07 51:03

Well, if you break dance, especially and they're like, no, we knew he was human. We just we can't allow that.

SPEAKER_05 51:08

Especially if you're Australian. They're like, we can't allow that level. That was not good.

SPEAKER_07 51:14

You ever seen professional tag? That should be in the Olympics. That really should is awesome.

SPEAKER_05 51:19

Super badass. Also, that stuff is crazy. I had a movie idea. Um yeah. So the movie tag already exists, just so you know. Yeah. I know. Uh fucking okay. So, you know, think about it. Humans, we're the most terrifying species ever. Yes. We're the most terrifying hunters. What do we do? We mimic.

SPEAKER_07 51:41

We're skinwalkers.

SPEAKER_05 51:42

We mimic, we put up fake versions of what we're hunting. Yep. Right?

SPEAKER_07 51:47

So imagine a busty deer.

SPEAKER_06 51:51

Ooh.

SPEAKER_07 51:52

Oh, so I was gonna I was gonna say that.

SPEAKER_05 51:54

So like your family gets eaten downstairs and you're upstairs, and then your mom comes to your door. She doesn't sound right, but it's your mom. You gotta open the door. That's not you.

SPEAKER_02 52:04

Yeah. I don't like that at all.

SPEAKER_07 52:05

So that's actually something I was just thinking about with Train DuBuissan when the ending scene where we were saying, like, well, the reason they didn't shoot is because she started singing and they knew, like, oh well, that that obviously can't be a zombie then. She's singing.

SPEAKER_06 52:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 52:19

Um, that they must be at least not turned. Now, what something I thought, I just didn't say it out loud, was man, how much would it suck if it had mutated and that was the trick.

SPEAKER_05 52:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 52:30

And they were they were infected.

SPEAKER_05 52:32

Which for like a second, while you're getting like turned, you still have like some cognizance, you know.

SPEAKER_07 52:39

Yeah, but you're in so much pain.

SPEAKER_05 52:40

Yeah, freaking switch flips. Like, dude was crying for his mom. He's like, I live at this street, and then it just went, you know?

SPEAKER_07 52:48

Yeah, though I mean, it'd be so interesting if uh which Train De Busan never showed any signs of even the the prequel never showed any signs of um uh mutation happening. But I think all we really know from the Trindy Business universe is the first, like, with like the first day or so of the outbreak. I don't think we really know much of the first thing.

SPEAKER_05 53:10

No, there's there's the uh there's the sequel to this movie.

SPEAKER_02 53:13

Oh, did that suck like so bad? Isn't that what it's yeah, that was that was absolutely terrible. I I was I was not a fan.

SPEAKER_05 53:23

I feel like this movie does not need a a sequel, um, unless they want to do like flight to North Korea or something.

SPEAKER_02 53:30

Well, so I heard of something that there was this uh kind of a la hashtag alive where they redid it in America. I was hearing they were talking or maybe did do a reboot of this or a an American version of this, if you will. Um Last Train to New York. Does anybody know if that's real? Oh, TJ doesn't have a computer, so I have to type it up.

SPEAKER_05 53:53

Well, I have a computer, I'm on it, but that's that's the reason.

SPEAKER_02 53:56

That's the reason why you can't look it up because you're on it. Yeah. It looks like it is. Holy moly, when did they do it? I hadn't even heard of it until I was doing research on this.

SPEAKER_05 54:07

It's probably on Tubi. Is it? Anyways, that mimic style movie would be called Mimics, but with a Z. That's how you that's straight to Doobie.

SPEAKER_02 54:15

No, I don't think this is out. Maybe they maybe they began.

SPEAKER_07 54:19

It says 2025. It says potential 2025 release, uh, and casting rumors. That's it. Because they only have one name so far. I think it was slated to be released in 2023. Then it got delayed to 2025, and now they just haven't said anything. Good, I'm glad.

SPEAKER_05 54:36

I think train to Busan would be cooler if it was on a Japanese bullet train.

SPEAKER_07 54:42

I think I agree. Oh, that would be pretty much.

SPEAKER_05 54:45

There would be stakes to it, you know, like they're going so fucking fast. I would agree. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 54:50

Well, then they wouldn't survive the train crash.

SPEAKER_05 54:53

Uh I don't know. Brad Pitt did in the movie Bullet Train. You seen it?

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SPEAKER_07 54:56

Okay, so realistically.

SPEAKER_05 54:59

His whole thing, because his name was Ladybug, is cause ladybugs are lucky. Um so he had like he had just gotten anti-venom for a snake that kills you in like two seconds, and then that snake pops up and bites him, you know.

SPEAKER_07 55:13

Did he also get anti-cran uh train crash venom?

SPEAKER_05 55:17

I think he landed on like something soft. I can't remember.

SPEAKER_07 55:22

He landed on a bed that's like perfectly made with like a really fluffy duvet.

SPEAKER_05 55:26

Yeah, he like landed on something real soft, and like he was he was lucky throughout the whole movie.

SPEAKER_07 55:31

That's funny. The train like collapses and crushes all around him, except where he is.

SPEAKER_05 55:37

Yeah. I love that movie. Maddie loves that movie too. I took her to see it. I like taking her to see random fucking movies. Like that one we just watched the uh uh fuck. We bury the dead. No, um, good luck, have fun, don't die.

SPEAKER_02 55:52

Oh, I haven't seen that.

SPEAKER_05 55:54

You should. It's very good.

SPEAKER_02 55:55

You enjoyed it?

SPEAKER_05 55:56

Yeah, it's very it's very uh mind fucking.

SPEAKER_02 56:00

Oh alright, alright. I'm gonna find uh this movie for you. There is apparently a movie that is uh Oh I love St. Rafael. Yeah, I was looking something crazy in it. I was looking something up. There's a scene of a movie, I don't know what what movie it is, where the zombie actually learns to talk and it's very mimic-y in that sense. It walks up to a glass door and it's convincing the person on the inside to open the door, and he almost does it, and then another person comes out, it's like, no, what are you doing? It's like sorry, we can't help you. You need to go away, we're closed. And he was like, I just need to get, and he, you know, doesn't let him in, and then the zombie reacts violently. And he was like, You almost opened the door. So it was like something like that. I'm gonna find it and I'm gonna send it to you.

SPEAKER_05 56:48

Is it but I think I think for like my movie idea, they need to like straight up mimic people that like you love. Right.

SPEAKER_07 56:59

Right. Is it the sadness? Is it a Taiwanese film? Could be.

SPEAKER_05 57:05

The Asians, man, they're just innovative with the zombie genre.

SPEAKER_07 57:08

Yeah, good um, good filmmakers.

SPEAKER_05 57:10

Yeah, and you see how they didn't blame America, Australia? Right.

SPEAKER_07 57:14

Yeah. Fuck you, Australia.

SPEAKER_05 57:18

It was all their fault this time.

SPEAKER_02 57:23

Jesus.

SPEAKER_07 57:24

I I it's I'm so salty about it. I I really can't explain that enough.

SPEAKER_05 57:29

Anyways, I think we should also make a movie. We should make a movie for each, okay? We need we need liberals, people with a Z at the N, and then we need conservatives with a Z at the N. And it's just straight up propaganda for both sides.

SPEAKER_02 57:49

We're gonna get we're gonna get rich off of both sides.

SPEAKER_05 57:52

Yeah, see, this is why we shouldn't fucking trust them liberals. Immigration is like zombies. Uh, they were hurting my feelings while eating my face off. Cancelled them on Twitter. You know? Straight up just stereotypes and propaganda. Zombies have a right to eat too. Dude, that'd be silence.

SPEAKER_07 58:10

Oh my god, I swear that is some shit that would happen.

SPEAKER_05 58:13

Nah, dude, fuck it. It's you ever played the game uh Detroit Become Human?

SPEAKER_07 58:18

Uh no, but I've seen people play it.

SPEAKER_05 58:19

Fucking Seattle become Z. Dude, I'm coming up with all the ideas tonight, dude. Nobody's writing it down.

SPEAKER_02 58:26

We're recording it. Yeah, they're they're literally recorded and getting away.

SPEAKER_05 58:30

Do you think I'm gonna listen to our own podcast? Do you?

SPEAKER_02 58:32

I do.

SPEAKER_05 58:33

Oh, that's where all the views come from.

SPEAKER_02 58:35

It's like watching uh it's like watching uh football footage, man. You look back, you see what can I do better. What works, what doesn't. I know. The the the most difficult thing for me is that I find myself laughing my ass off. I'm like, wow, I'm just that self-absorbed. I'm into myself. I find myself funny.

SPEAKER_05 58:53

I was dying last year, me and Eric playing fucking reanimal. Like that the clip I the clip I posted, which Eric, I don't know if you you've seen it, you should probably go on TikTok and watch it. You know, it's pretty funny. It's when we're running for the That was funny.

SPEAKER_02 59:07

Yeah. That was funny.

SPEAKER_07 59:13

The big bird was scary.

SPEAKER_02 59:15

And like there were several times that I'm like, what the fuck? How did it get through that door?

SPEAKER_04 59:20

We stop, and then I'm like, why are we stopping? Eric's like, this is Epstein's Island.

SPEAKER_02 59:27

Did you end up getting away? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 59:30

Right at the end um of the clip. We got on a bus at the ending. The bird and the pigs get burned, and I'm like, it probably smells good in there. Yeah. And then we get on a bus to a school full of dust children.

SPEAKER_07 59:42

Yeah, we beat up the dust children.

SPEAKER_05 59:44

Yeah, we don't fucking them dust children.

SPEAKER_07 59:46

Uh we're yeah. Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 59:50

Careful. Careful. Careful how you say it. You said up, so like it's okay.

SPEAKER_05 59:56

He got it. It worked out. All right. But what long is the distance between the the the up, you know? What what maybe?

SPEAKER_07 1:00:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a little bit, but it's okay. I think it's a justifiable amount.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:09

We were fucking them children up. See, is that too long of a pause, you know? No, I feel like you got it in there, but like by the skinny or feet.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:17

Yeah, it felt it felt long. Barely. But like it's like.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:24

Too long. Too long. That's the pause. That's the limit. That's the limit, yeah. So from this line to that line, exactly. You gotta make sure it's close. So it's will you survive?

SPEAKER_07 1:00:34

PDF and that line to that line.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:36

Will you survive survival tip? Make sure it's between this line and that line look closer together. Yeah, make sure you don't think too hard before your next works.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:46

I don't know how to look back into uh back to survival. The other thing that you've got to remember survival. The other thing you gotta remember is get people into the power plant.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:55

Um the power plant, because it's gonna go down in urban centers within 24 hours.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:01

Yes, so uh get your group of uh interns. Women that you have captured and use for who are on unpaid interns for experience uh in the industry.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:14

No, indentured servants.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:16

I like it. No, we're not going there.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:18

Unpaid interns to gain experience who will be paid in exposure and uh and will be paid in uh being trained on good luck running a power plant.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:32

If they're not working on that grid good enough, they're getting hit with the wires that they're powering. I see. This guy's gonna uh apply for the job. Zosha? Sorry, man. Zosha's gonna hate. My white's coming out. I'm I just feel very uh master race today.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:47

Oh shh.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:48

Wow. You know, it happens to the weakest of us. Which is crazy. How the fuck did they catch us? They're slower, they're weaker. How did my keep how did my people catch my people? Because my people are fast. I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:00

Well, no, it was it was your people.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:01

Yeah, my people were catching my people. Yeah, but it turns out my people were catching my people.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:06

It was your dark people catching your dark people.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:09

Well, it was like, you know, they were selling them to the to the white people.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:13

Outrageous. It was during Black History Month, we're talking about this. That's right. Oh, I love that one.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:23

I love that one. Well, some sometimes I want to be on La.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:32

Can a brother get on Lade? That was uh brother gotta do to get on LaD.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:36

Speaking of which, that was something that I've been bigoted niggers.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:40

Something that I've been seeing commonly now is uh finding out that the companies that take the yearbook photos for all elementary schools were in the e-files.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:52

And uh don't don't worry, your your photos were safe. They weren't using those.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:56

Somebody commented that they were like the offense of finding out that they were using all of these for their uh menu, and then the double offense that they never wanted me. Yeah, well, fuck me or not, I guess. Ah, terrible.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:16

Okay, for you, Jeffrey.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:18

With that, we're gonna go ahead and wrap this episode up. I'd like to thank my co-hosts for participating in this remix.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:27

Remix. This all felt like deja vu.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:30

Except for we brought up different points, except for it was nothing like the first episode.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:34

Not at all. I think you need to make an intro where it's like just cut up, just like will you survive?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:40

Will you survive? What will you survive? Remix.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:44

Well, I was thinking it'd be really funny if uh at the start of this episode we just did the exact same opening that we did in the original episode, and then TJ talks and we just pretend like he didn't talk.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:56

You know what?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:57

I could download the episode and freaking just put your guys in.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:03

That would be hilarious.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:06

Or like I'm like like record scratch. Stop the show, stop the show. I'm here.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:12

Wait a minute. I had that thought um of like we we could do that, but I had it like five minutes before we started recording. Maybe a little longer, and I was like, not enough time for me to actually look at what our last episode sounded like and recreate that. So I didn't, but I thought it would have been kind of funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:32

Well, uh because I don't have any other way of choosing you guys, and you both say you have great ideas.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:40

Oh, my ideas, so good.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:42

I'm gonna need you to reveal your ideas.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:43

It's so great. Oh man. Okay. I want TJ to go first. Of course she is.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:51

She've gotta think of it.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:52

No, I already have it. I have it locked and loaded. This is what I'm gonna say no matter what, but I do want to hear what he's gonna say.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:58

Okay, hold on. I'm loading it, I'm loading it. I want to see how great of an idea this is to see if I should even compete.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:05

Now, of course, we could do another Will You Survive remix, Night Eats the World. It's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:10

That's a good one.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:11

Um there is a horror comedy zombie movie, One Cut of the Dead. Uh I also have uh another one. Uh I am or I am a hero. There's another zombie movie. Um we could also do would be really funny if we did Paranorman.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:30

Um I love Paranor. I was literally this like in the middle of this episode, I was looking up where to watch Paranorman.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:40

I don't know though. I I I've it's a kid's movie, but it's really good. Like kid movie, but it'd be so funny if we did it. It's actually such a good movie though. But yeah. Um I think another one we talked about, but like oh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:56

Okay, you can't give seven options.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:57

I'm I'm going through my tabs.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

No no no. Give me what the next one was gonna be.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:06

Because you know, we we we you can't really like Sout of the Dead. No. I th I think I was gonna go with I Am a Hero, which is another I think is that Korean? I think it's Korean.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:21

Wanna hear my idea? No, Japanese.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:23

It's a Japanese zombie movie. My idea is not a movie. Okay. My idea is kind of an interactive experience.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:31

One to one hundred part four.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:34

Part five No. Um this would be I asked AI to write really bad five-minute stories.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:44

He needs AI to make his ideas just saying.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:48

No, because I specifically want it to be AI stories. I want them to not make sense. And I told it to give me a narrator and two male actors. Um, or two male characters. And so we would alternate being the narrator or one of the characters and read these really bad AI stories for five minutes. Unfortunately, the ones that I have right now are actually decent. So I'm like, I gotta tell the AI, AI it up a little bit. Make it add some hyphens in there. Make it make it obvious. I want this shit to not make sense. Because I think that'd be very funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:31

Okay. I have my answer. TJ, you're not the winner. Oh, thank God.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:42

Eric, you won! Winner speech.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:44

Woo! Well, you're ready for War Academy 100 Part 5, baby.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:48

This is my winner speech.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:50

Oh, 100 Part 5.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:52

Do you forget to ask AI? It takes him two seconds for it to generate.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:56

I literally already have.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:58

He literally is gonna be so swamped with work this entire week and next week, dude. He's gonna be so stressed out. He's gonna be like, TJ, oh dude, I'm so and he's gonna be flicking away on his guitar hero. So reclaiming my guitar.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:19

He's like, dude, Bob. Bob was doing the news thing.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:23

Yeah, reclaiming my time, I would I would like to give my winner speech.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:27

Can I have more time on my clock here?

SPEAKER_07 1:08:29

Mr. Speaker, uh, I would like 30 seconds uh Eric's character. I would like the house to acknowledge that uh I get 30 extra seconds. I got you uh because of this fucking loser.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:40

I'll go ahead and add it. Whoa, let's keep decorum here. Oh, whoa, whoa. Just because he is a fucking loser doesn't mean you have to call him a fucking loser.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:48

Come back to that, what they call me, what they call me. My bad, Mr. Speaker.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:53

I know I edited your voice to say the N-word. You're welcome. It's an You're cancelled. You're fucking cooked, buddy. I'm sending it to both of your jobs. I'm sending it to your wife. I'm sending it to your grandma.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:06

Well, one of our jobs.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:10

You're cooked, buddy.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:12

Don't don't send it to his grandma. She she would just say okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:16

She would like it.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:17

But she would be like, she's dead. I'm like, no.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:20

My silly mijo.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:26

Uh yeah, it it's great to win. Um, I'm not gonna lie. I was salty about not winning last episode.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:33

Uh a little more than normal. So uh happy to win. I'll bring a great episode next week.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:40

Um's speech.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:47

I should just interrupt him this whole time because he didn't let me have my winner speech. So this is kind of bulking. The funny thing is that I should just really keep talking over him, and he'll get so overstimulated at the fact that it's a good one. He's not wrong.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:00

It's gonna fuck him up, and I'm just gonna keep talking. Oh god. And I could just cut his whole voice out of the edit, so it just it he looks stupid. You know? Uh, you know, I uh think thank you to the Academy for this L. I will take it. I agree. So I don't have to watch a movie because Eric never picks movies anymore. Uh he's kind of unoriginal. Uh has no idea. Unoriginal?

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SPEAKER_06 1:10:23

It's the opposite.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:24

He has no idea where this podcast is going. Me and Alex are gonna take this far. He's probably gonna fall off on the wayside, and we're gonna switch him with somebody else named Derek. Um perhaps even Cozy could hop on the mic. That would be perfectly fine.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:37

Um, I I I know people talk a lot.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:42

I know good people, great people. Um, the best people. The best. The best people, if you ask. They could definitely replace Eric. Uh, who is Eric? I don't know, Eric. Um what I was saying was is I I was just gonna, you know, just like you don't even know.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:12

You lost your train of thought. Stoner. With that, ladies and gentlemen, is um please make sure you check out our socials. You could go check us out on YouTube, TikTok, Facebook, Instagram. Just search Will You Survive the Podcast. You can also send us your emails by writing those to the boys at Will You Survive The Podcast dot com. T H E B O Y S at Will You Survive The Podcast dot com. We'd love to get your criticisms, critiques, or recommendations for movies. And we will always shout you out on the podcast when we get those. And thank you very much for tuning in this episode. We love having you. We'd love to see your comments. Your yeah, we'd love to see your comments on uh Spotify or texts. I guess they call them texts on Spotify.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:03

What? What? I get enough phone calls. I I don't need more.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:08

You could call Cozy at I can give you his number.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:11

Yo, we get a cozy hotline.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:14

A cozy hotline.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:15

Okay, cozy does call it. Cozy answers the phone. You tell him your issues, and he's just I don't know, drink sink water. Bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:22

I drink toilet water. That's what I do.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:25

Is a loud ass motherfucker at work. He does not shut up.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:30

Drink some drain water.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:32

Kind of like some drain. He literally just walks around. We're in like three different conversations, but Cozy literally just walks around my work going like the whole fucking time. Because he runs this shit. He thinks he does.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:46

He's like, You you don't know who the fuck I am.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:49

I'm the CEO of this company.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:51

You have no idea. He walks into the yards, and I swear I hear him. He's like, Do you know who my father is? I swear I hear it come out of it. Your your dog is fucking wild. I have nail dropping. My son is Draco Malfoy. He's white as Draco Malfoy. That is my son. It is a problem.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:12

What'd you call him?

SPEAKER_07 1:13:14

What?

SPEAKER_06 1:13:15

My son?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:16

He's white as Draco Malfoy. Okay. Alright. I'm sorry. I thought you said Jacob for us. I was like, what?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:23

Rice on a paper plate in the middle of a snowstorm.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:26

He is white. He's very white.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:30

And with that, everybody, thank you for tuning in. And until next time, stay alive.