Will You Survive "Interstellar"

Time steals differently when gravity gets involved, and nothing makes that hit harder than the moment Interstellar turns three hours into 23 years. We use that gut punch as a launchpad to explore how stories honor science, why fidelity to source material matters, and where casting can make or break immersion. One minute we’re laughing at New Year slipups, the next we’re arguing over Miller’s ankle-deep ocean, and then we’re knee-deep in light warping at the event horizon. It’s chaotic, curious, and surprisingly heartfelt—exactly the tone that kept us thinking long after the credits rolled.

We unpack the film’s biggest questions without losing the human thread: Cooper’s bedside goodbye, Murph’s decades of messages, and the way Hans Zimmer’s ticking score makes loss countable. From there, we widen the lens. If black holes hide inside a universe that’s already black, how do we know they’re there? By watching light bend. If the cosmos hosts more than carbon, how do our instruments miss it? By looking only for what we expect. That leads us into multiverse talk, the simulation dilemma, and whether any of it should change how we live. Our take: meaning survives the model. Gravity ties to time, and love gives us a reason to fight both.

We don’t skip the fun stuff, either. Expect spicy takes on Stranger Things hype trains, The Last of Us casting debates, and a spirited defense of Spider-Man performances that actually feel like high school. We also kick around the ethics of terraforming Mars, planetary protection, and what a probe’s final image might tell us about Jupiter’s violence. It’s a messy, curious tour through science, cinema, and the stories that make us care.

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Transcript

New Year Banter And Resolutions

SPEAKER_03 0:24

Hola, supervivientes y benvenidos de Will You Survive? The Podcast. And today we are joined by our beautiful new year, new us hosts. We've got me, TJ, and we've got Los Centros no habla uh English. Pablo from down the street and me.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Alex. Miguel.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

Miguel.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

From Home Depot. From Home?

SPEAKER_03 0:57

And today we watched the movie Interstellar. First movie of the year. Technically-ish. We watched it last year. Um just now recognition about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Man, a whole year later. It's true. Wow. You know, I've written 2025 on multiple documents already. Oh, I've done that. Yeah. Several times. The good news is it's kind of easy to turn a five into a six. Yeah. It is. Yeah. That's the good thing about it. Um it was harder last year.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

True. Four to five.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

Our New Year's resolutions we're gonna we're gonna post every Friday. We already do that. So it's a good, it's easy resolution.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

Yeah. You want to know genuinely what my New Year's resolution is every year? What? To not write the previous year on documents.

SPEAKER_02 1:43

And you never make it.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

No. I mean, eventually you always succeed. By July. By November, I'm writing the right year.

SPEAKER_02 1:50

Nice. By November, that's even better. I'm better.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

You know what I should start doing? I guess maybe from now on, November of this year, I should start writing the next year's number. And then maybe by the time the next year hits, I'll be writing the right year.

SPEAKER_03 2:03

Then you're just gonna fuck up all the documents.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

You know, work is like how the fuck did you 2027?

SPEAKER_03 2:11

It's still December. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 2:13

I plan to procrastinate quite a bit. I already do.

Stranger Things Rumors And Critiques

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Starting in July, we're writing 2027. That's my New Year's resolution.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

Okay. Alright. Well.

SPEAKER_03 2:22

Uh my I was gonna bring up the y'all watch Stranger Things? No. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

This is uh I've watched up to season three.

SPEAKER_03 2:31

Okay. The uh people did not like the last season so much that they thought that there was gonna be a like super hidden, like secret episode that was gonna come out on the seventh because reasons. They're like, oh, it the the clock says 107, and that's January 7th. And uh I just want to laugh at all those people.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

Will Will rolled a seven on the first day when he was taken to the upside down, uh-huh. And it was on the seventh day that his mom found him, and seven is displayed multiple places and multiple times. The other reason was that all of their gowns were orange when the color of the school was green. Um in the in uh Vecna's world, everywhere that you see gray, it's an error that Vecna didn't know, so he portrayed gray instead of whatever the real color was. So they show all of these different examples where things were gray and they should have been, you know, a different color. There was there was a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

There was a lot of people. But ultimately, um they defeated Vecna through the power of gay. Oh, that's why people didn't like the last episode or like the second to last episode. Uh-huh. Because there was this whole like long spiel where I think it was Will was like, I don't like girls, and everyone's like, Yeah, we all fucking knew that. What? And it's it was like this.

SPEAKER_03 3:56

They've been building up to that literally since the first season.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

So apparently, I didn't watch it, but apparently it was this massive, fucking, huge waste of time moment that was like poorly written, horribly directed. It didn't make a lot of sense, and then they were like, and that's how he defeated Vecna. And you're like, really? It reminds okay, the the the vibe that I got from it, I haven't watched it, but the vibe that I got from it is similar to that third episode of The Last of Us.

SPEAKER_04 4:23

Oh, yeah.

The Last Of Us Casting And Source Material

SPEAKER_00 4:23

Where they fucking take two characters who hated each other in the in the game and are like, now they're gay lovers, and they have a beautiful love story that takes a fucking hour where you never see the main characters in the whole fucking episode in a world that's full of evil and and and and pain and misery. But of course, this gay couple who hated each other in the game are so in love and just love each other so much. And it's this romantic I'm like, fuck off. I don't give a fuck that they're gay. I care that you you fucking ruined the story. Like it was way funnier that he fucking hated him. That was way better.

SPEAKER_03 5:04

Yeah, Eric. The Last of Us TV show is dog shit. We get it. It is. No, the first season was great. The first season was really good. Was okay. I really speaking of Stranger Things, I was literally just re-watching the first season. So when you go into the like upside down, you'll see all the little like spores and shit floating everywhere, right?

SPEAKER_01 5:25

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:26

Okay. Why couldn't they do that for the fucking last of us when the whole way you get infected is spores in that shit. Oh, they're oh, it's not realistic. You could have put the fucking spores on the screen. You're just being fucking lazy. Yeah. This hive mind shit is fucking stupid. I don't like it. But I mean, I she did not work as Ellie.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 5:44

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 5:45

No, I agree. The the girl who played um, who is the other character from Last of Us 2? Abby. The girl who played Abby, um, love her, by the way. Great actress. She should have been Ellie. Um hundred percent she should have been Ellie.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

Deaver. Well, uh uh, what is her first name? Deaver is her last name. Is it Abigail? No. No, the actress. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:03

Um what's her name?

SPEAKER_03 6:04

This is gonna be called the Interstellar episode, but we don't talk about Interstellar episode.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

We don't talk about Interstellar episode. Which is crazy because this was such a good movie.

SPEAKER_02 6:11

This is a great movie. But no, but speaking of stranger.

SPEAKER_00 6:16

That actress definitely should have played Ellie. Caitlin. Caitlin Deavers. Caitlin, she looks just like Ellie. Dever? Dever Is it Dev? I think it's Dev. She looks just like Ellie. Like she is a spinning image of Ellie. She would have been perfect.

SPEAKER_02 6:29

Yeah, she would have been a better Ellie.

SPEAKER_00 6:31

But look, and that's not even a hate on Bella Ramsey, but it's just like, come on, guys. So is the casting here?

SPEAKER_02 6:36

And then the whole like uh I hope this is a lie, but there's there's uh social media posts that keep getting sent out that Bella Ramsey is not opposed to playing Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

Oh yeah. I sometimes I think that stuff is just memes.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Like, as long as this young Tom is rocking.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

Oh, he kills it. He's great.

SPEAKER_02 6:56

There's no other Spider-Man. I did not believe in him at first.

SPEAKER_03 6:59

They're gonna fucking introduce Miles at some point, too. So once he's done, then Miles is gonna spin.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

Which all I'm saying is I'm okay with having a spin, and I'm also okay with having a freaking ghost spider.

SPEAKER_03 7:11

Yeah, but not Bella Ramsey.

SPEAKER_02 7:12

Nella Ramsey.

SPEAKER_03 7:13

I think the black kid from Stranger Things, he could be Miles Morales.

SPEAKER_02 7:18

I uh could he do that?

SPEAKER_03 7:20

I think he could do it.

SPEAKER_02 7:21

Could it? I think he's a little too tall and lanky. I could see that.

SPEAKER_03 7:25

Miles is pretty lanky and tall.

SPEAKER_02 7:27

Is he? I thought he was a little bit shorter than.

SPEAKER_03 7:29

Well, normally when you get infected with the spider shit, you get like taller.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

Also, like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna nitpick.

SPEAKER_02 7:38

Never Bella Ramsey. I'm with you.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

I'm not gonna nitpick the uh the whole like oh he's you know the comic one is shorter than the than the real Spider-Man. Like, that's not what's gonna kill me. What what what's gonna kill me is like, do they play the character well? Right. Like, look, um listen. What's his name? Uh not Andrew Garfield. And I thought Andrew Garfield was great. Um did you really? Yeah, I think he was a great one.

SPEAKER_03 8:01

Andrew Garfield is literally my was is my favorite Spider-Man. Really?

SPEAKER_00 8:05

Who's the first Spider Man? Toby Maguire. Toby Maguire. Toby McGuire was a great Spider-Man, don't get me wrong. But Spider-Man was supposed to be a high schooler. He was supposed to be a kid. So like immediately Toby Maguire did not, but it wasn't it was the night, or it was like the early 2000s, you know. So that was what it was. Then Andrew Garfield, I was like, okay, a little more believable. I still like college level, but a little more believable. I thought he played like the kind of whimsy of Spider-Man a lot better. But then Tom Holland comes in and you're like, oh, that's a kid. Yeah, that that's Spider-Man. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah, that checks out.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

There was absolutely nothing better than the scene when uh he wasn't Green Goblin. What was he called? Uh, not the Falcon. He actually existed. Nighthawk. Uh, when he collapsed the warehouse on him and he was calling for help, and he remembered his conversation with Tony Stark where he said, if you're nothing without the suit, then you don't deserve to have it. And he was sitting there looking at his reflection in the water as he really came to grips with his mortality, I think, at that point, and understood that as a young kid, he's about to die. And he fought through it, freed himself, and God, I was like, that was the most believable scene as a young child that is like, Oh my god, I'm so young. I thought I was gonna be invincible forever. What was that?

SPEAKER_03 9:18

That's like straight up from the comics where he lifts the entire fucking building off of himself.

SPEAKER_02 9:22

Off of himself, right?

SPEAKER_03 9:23

That's crazy is when you follow the source material, turns out everybody loved the source material. That's you know, sometimes it works out though, because the motherfucker who Hugh Jagman, you see how tall that motherfucker is? Wolverine's supposed to be like five foot, and everybody had an issue with it. Now nobody wants a different Wolverine.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

See, like he grew on you. I don't know. I I don't really care about like that. Doesn't really bother me unless, like, unless like the character is a dwarf, and then you hire and then you like cast a six foot seven dude. Then I'm like, okay, what are we doing? Then you cast Peter Dinklage.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

Yeah, if it's the like complains about you casting other dwarfs.

SPEAKER_00 10:01

Yeah, uh well, okay. I really gotta fuck you, Peter Dinklage. You know what? Well, I'd I really gotta fact check this. Fuck you, Peter Dinklage. Okay, I'll shut the new beef. What short besides the oh he said he said uh he said uh the rock.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

Whoa, no, you're new new me. You're lying. This is a this is a New Year New Me.

SPEAKER_03 10:23

I got a new beef. Peter Dinklage.

Spider-Man Lineage And Character Fit

SPEAKER_00 10:25

Dwayne Johnson's gonna tweet right now, and he's gonna be like, I feel the weight of the world lifted off my shoulders right now.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

Because TJ from Will You Survived the Podcast has forgiven me.

SPEAKER_00 10:35

For nothing, but for existing.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

Oh no. Okay, I gotta read this to you. Disc disconnect Gemini? Gemini's live contains themes that some may find uncomfortable. If you continue going live with them, your live might be unavailable to some audiences.

SPEAKER_00 10:52

Is it because you called Peter Dinglich a bad word?

SPEAKER_02 10:54

Yeah. Live visibility restricted for 10 minutes. Your live is not eligible for recommendation restricted in search results for the next 10 minutes. Because Gemini does not comply with a for you feed. Why? Because he's black? Because he's black, TikTok.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

What the heck, TikTok? That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 11:12

That makes sense because it's it's uh American-owned now. That's their so fucked. That's so crazy. They're back to their roots of discriminating against black people.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

That is a crazy sentence. That isn't.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

I don't believe that. Everybody who knows me knows I don't believe that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 11:28

Hey, Alex, would you like to read the synopsis of the movie that we watched?

SPEAKER_02 11:32

In the near future, around the American Midwest, Cooper, an ex-science, engineer, and pilot, is tied to his farming land with his daughter Murph and son Tom. As devastating sandstorms ravage Earth's crops, the people of Earth realize their life here is coming to an end as food begins to run out. Eventually, stumbling upon a NASA base six hours from Cooper's home, he is asked to go on a daring mission with a few other scientists into a wormhole because of Cooper's scientific intellect and ability to pilot aircraft unlike other crew members. In order to find a new home while Earth decays, Cooper must decide to either stay or risk never seeing his children again in order to save the human race by finding another habitable planet.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

So, really quick, because I literally just thought of this and I don't want to forget it. It's kind of fucked up that at the end of the movie, it's almost like his son doesn't exist anymore. Right? I didn't even realize it until right now when I thought about the ending, and I'm like, man, he didn't ask Murph even once where that guy was. He didn't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_03 12:39

Right. He's definitely dead. That is crazy. Because she was put into uh fucking like the fucking hyper sleep or whatever the fuck they had, you know, where they'd like put themselves in like a coma basically. That's what she was doing to stay alive.

SPEAKER_02 12:52

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SPEAKER_00 12:54

Is that what I thought they transported her. I thought that was what it was. I thought she like came from somewhere else to their own.

SPEAKER_03 13:00

Like, hey, she just woke up from her like I forget what it was called, but like hyper sleep type shit.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

Cryo sleep. No, because when he first got there, when he f yeah, when he first when he first woke up, when we first got there, they said like, oh, we sent a message to Murphy, to Dr. Murphy to so that she could come see you. And so my thought was that she was somewhere else, and then she had to travel to him, and so she went into hyper sleep while she traveled to him, and because of her old age, it's like oh fuck, like that was a lot. Oh because remember, he like went to the house and whatnot and kind of explored around for a bit before he went and saw her. Yeah. So my thought was that she was somewhere else, and she yeah, she was somewhere else, was put into cryo sleep so she could travel at the speed of light to to where they were.

SPEAKER_02 13:46

So I am fully invested in the conspiracy theory or the fan fiction or whatever you want to call it about the end, that he is in fact dead. And the reason why is because they made a point to uh tell you early on in the film that when you die, you see your loved ones. Well, yeah and he comes walking in, nobody in the room pays attention to him. Nobody sees why is this young man walking up to this old lady and we don't know who the heck he is? And he's sitting by her bedside, kissing her hand, holding her hands, and she's sitting there talking. It's almost like they expect her, like, oh yeah, she's going. Like she's she's about to cross over. Like they're just leaving her alone. They're not talking to her, they're not asking, you know, like who is this guy?

SPEAKER_00 14:27

Oh, wait, so you're saying that him existing was her seeing her loved ones in her final moments? Yes. Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_03 14:36

I I personally don't believe that. I think he's alive.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

Yeah, no, I didn't I didn't see that because like I didn't see that because they made it just died because he went to a black hole and it turns you into spaghetti. But I mean, I don't see that because the the there's one specific scene that I don't think that I think would be just be a weird scene to include in that then, which is when he stole the the plane or the spaceship. Yeah, and then it shows a clip of uh when he goes up to meet with uh and the engineer is like walking by and just sees the empty bay and is like, what the fuck? Okay. Weird scene to show if it's all her imagination.

SPEAKER_02 15:10

Alright, fair enough.

SPEAKER_03 15:11

Brandon, but I do like the idea. Yeah, he he definitely could have died because one, you fall into a black hole, you get stretched in a spaghetti. Two, uh, gravity is so strong there, as you're falling into it, you like it warps it so much, you will be looking at the back of your head as you go right further and further into it, and you'll go slower and slower and slower.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

However, I have to ask you guys, what do you think? I know we talked about this on another episode, but let's bring it up because this relevant. Water planet. I'm gonna quote you, TJ, which I absolutely love this point. I didn't think of it before. Why the hell did these most brilliant scientists not think about the fact that this planet is undergoing major gravitational pull and tidal you know, root on a water planet? And on a water planet.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

You land and the water is like a foot and a half deep on a whole water planet, and there is no part of you that goes, shouldn't this be a little deeper? Huh? Why is this a little weird? Yeah, right? Where are the waves?

SPEAKER_03 16:14

It's a fucking half foot of water.

Interstellar Finally Enters The Chat

SPEAKER_00 16:17

Why is the water still? Yeah. These are all questions that I think as somebody who lives in California, I would immediately be like, This is something's wrong. Something's wrong. This is not weird. Right. Because I'm also thinking Subnautica, the game. Yeah. And I'm like, mm-mm, mm-mm. No, it should be deeper, which would be horrifying, but still. I don't know Subnautica. What's crazy? It's basically a survival building game where you you land on an alien planet that's a water planet.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

Um, is this the one that you've been playing recently? No. No, that's satisfactory.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Oh, okay. I've also been playing Barrow Trauma, which is like a submariner game or submariner game, but um no, this this is like uh an alien survival game where you you land in an escape pod, your your plane or your ship, the Aurora goes down, and you land on this planet, and then you kind of spoiler alert, but it's an old game, you find out that this planet is inhabited by or was inhabited by aliens who all died from a basically like a yeah, a virus that's that's on this planet.

SPEAKER_03 17:18

It's under quarantine.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

Yeah. So that's why that's why you got shot down, is because you flew into the planet and they were like, Nope, you're not leaving this planet. You're all infected, you're gonna kill the rest of the universe. So you have to un you have to cure yourself before you take off. Um and it's but it's this set in this water uh world where you land and you start in the shallows and you have to go deeper and deeper into the volcanic areas and some of the monsters. Dude, some of the monsters. Oh man, this is like if you're scared of the ocean, don't play this game. Yeah, like you land in the shallows.

SPEAKER_03 17:53

There's like these fucking these little fucking terrifying things, right? You're like, oh, that was scary. And you get deeper sharks, and then they get bigger and fucking bigger. And they come out of fucking I hate the fucking ocean, so don't even get me near that shit.

SPEAKER_02 18:09

How do you say that word?

SPEAKER_03 18:10

Thalassophobia.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

Oh, okay. I thought I thought you said it wrong.

SPEAKER_03 18:13

Oh, what I was gonna say is what's crazy about them. What's crazy about um them landing on Miller's planet is that Miller only died like like minutes before then like minutes. Yeah. Like if they got there sooner that she could have or was it a she? I think it was a she. Yeah. Miller?

SPEAKER_00 18:30

I think Miller was a she. Which it that's could have been alive. The whole the whole time warping thing is crazy to me. No, they would they would have had to have gotten there. Um they would have had to be.

SPEAKER_02 18:49

Just to get there minutes before.

SPEAKER_00 18:51

Maybe like two years earlier to to get there minutes before she died.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

And that was absolutely insane.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

And then they would have died too.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

That scene was I mean, I hate it. It's not hate it. I I feel the full impact of the scene when they get back to the ship and the pilot tells them that they've been gone for seven years.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

Oh man, that was painful.

SPEAKER_02 19:12

He's like, I waited for you.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

No, 23 years. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

It was 23.

SPEAKER_03 19:17

It was 23 years. Uh, as like if you listen in the background of that scene, the score, you hear this constant like ticking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard that one. Every tick is it's a day, I think. Is it every tick is I think every tick's a day or something. And cause that scene is a is long. Every tick is time passing, so once because they got the whole fucking thing wrong. They didn't they the equation was not correct. Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

So instead of, you know, yeah, when they get back, their their shipmate, he said uh he went into a crowd of sleep a couple times, but he kind of lost hope of them coming back, and they'd been gone for twenty three years, and he was observing that black hole for twenty three years. Yep. And yeah, that's crazy. He gets back and Murph is is an adult now.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

Um, and mentions that grandpa died and all this stuff. Um, but yeah, that's that is devastating. Oh, right.

SPEAKER_02 20:09

That's when he got the message, right?

SPEAKER_00 20:10

Yeah, that's when he got all those messages where they assumed that he died because he'd been no contact for 23 years. Right. Um, and it had nothing to do with the black hole or being able to send messages through. He was gone on a planet for three hours.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

Right.

Time Dilation And Miller’s Water World

SPEAKER_00 20:24

Um, but yeah, that was the whole concept of like time warping like that is wild. Well, absolutely wild.

SPEAKER_02 20:33

It it absolutely ties gravity and time together. Uh-huh. Yeah. That's like the weight. Now, this is a good thing. I don't know if you've seen this. I don't know if you've seen this. There's a a social media video of a guy who set up a camera that allegedly captures one billion frames per second.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

Yes, I did see this.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

And so he could see the speed of light, a laser traveling at the speed of light. And now, amazingly, apparently the way he was able to do this is the camera is only one pixel. So he shot that video over and over and over and over and over and over and over again to get that low, low res image that he produces. Uh but he was able to warp up the uh perspective, just the perception. He couldn't actually warp the speed of light. But by moving the camera, he was able to warp the perspective and change what you were seeing. Which means that in theory, something like a black hole would absolutely warp your perspective and your I I I hate to say I hate these terms of modern day, but your reality.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

Have we ever sent um a like a probe or just like a a like a not man pilot? I can't think of the right word, but an autonomous, like unmanned pilot. Yeah, an unmanned ship into a black hole just to see how far it can get.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

We can't get that far. New Horizons is the farthest no, I'm sorry. Um the 70s. Um Voyager is the farthest uh man-made object sent from Earth, and it is barely in the Kuiper belt right now.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

That's just outside of Pluto.

SPEAKER_03 22:17

Yeah, yep. Or it's a blue yeah, little blue dot where it's literally just the earth from super far away. It makes you think, you know, everybody you've ever known and loved is just right there.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

It's also funny because like it you guys ever get that anxiety where where you're like, man, you hear that the Milky Way and Andromeda are colliding, yeah, and you're like, oh my god, what does that mean for us? Nothing. Nothing. It means absolutely nothing. It means jack shit when you realize just how fucking small our sun is in the Milky Way galaxy. My dumbass thought the sun was the center of the Milky Way galaxy. No, it is not even a fucking speck of the Milky Way game.

SPEAKER_02 23:01

It is wild.

SPEAKER_03 23:02

Now, like the concept of that, even if we're colliding, right? It nothing, barely anything's gonna fucking touch anything. Yeah, barely anything is actually gonna hit part.

SPEAKER_02 23:13

Now, but I have a question regarding this movie. Did it ever talk about what that black hole was? Did they use a real black hole for the name of it?

SPEAKER_03 23:24

They used uh like actual like calculations and shit to like render it.

SPEAKER_02 23:29

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

Oh, I heard the rendering of the of that black hole was from a movie production standpoint, the rendering of that was days. Ridiculously long. But it's a lot of things.

SPEAKER_03 23:44

Because that is so much to renderly accurate according to a bunch of scientists and shit. Yeah. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

We haven't been able to get far enough to reach a black hole, even though we've got a picture. Yeah, we got a picture.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

Which is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

Modern modern day theory suggests that the center of our black hole is or the center of our galaxy is riddled with black holes.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Riddle with black holes? Multiples. What's terrifying about black holes is that they are black in a space of nothing but black. So you don't actually fucking know. The only way you know a black hole, this is me, stupid dummy who barely doesn't know too much about it. But from my understanding, the only way you know that a black hole is even there is when you go, wasn't there a star there before?

SPEAKER_02 24:31

Well, what they look for is the warping. When they see the warping of light, they know that's a black hole. Because everything behind it will be non-existent. You won't see anything behind it. But if you see that warping like around the discretion or around the event horizon, the Cretan disc or the event horizon, you see the you see the the light warping, that's a black hole.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

That is that is I I mean, I know it's not actually a big deal for us, but that is a horrifying thing to think about that they are just fucking out there in the galaxy.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

I mean, have you ever seen uh the I think the largest one we have on record is ton 618? Ton 618, they show the the sun, then they show the orbit of Mercury, and one of the smallest black holes known to man fits inside of that orbit. And then the orbit of Earth, there's another black hole that fits in that orbit, and then so on and so on and so on. It goes all the way outside uh the Milky Way galaxy, multiple galaxies, uh the known, I forget what the section of like if you were to call it um all of Aquarius, like the entire uh body of constellations and galaxies in it, and then even larger than that is ton 618. Like it's it's larger than many, many, many clusters of galaxies. See, that's like can't even comprehend it, right?

Black Holes, Light Warping, And Scale

SPEAKER_00 25:58

Trying to actually comprehend how big that is is just I don't even know if that's actually possible to comprehend that.

SPEAKER_03 26:09

It is crazy just to make it. Infinite grow, you know?

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Yeah, how can infinite grow?

SPEAKER_00 26:14

That is a great way to do it. Well, okay. So this is the way that I've heard it. Well, the way that I've heard it explained is it's not growing, it's stretching. That's how I've heard it. I don't know how accurate that is. But that it's not, it's not necessarily like it's not like it's not like a game where it's just like procedurally generating and just appearing like hey, there's a new planet here now. It's like things are stretching, yeah, and and the universe is infinitely getting bigger as it's stretching.

SPEAKER_03 26:43

And then inside the universe.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

Yeah. Well, my personal belief outside the universe. My personal belief, I think that's God. I think that's uh I think there's a reason space is so spread out and almost impossible to navigate and exist uh in.

SPEAKER_03 27:00

So he doesn't defined our uh failed rejects that he did.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

It's it's also outside of time. Yeah. That's the other thing. If you were a fourth dimensional being, theoretically, you would be able to see through walls, you would be able to see past time. Like you you time wouldn't matter to you if you were outside of it, right? Um being outside of what is it, space, time, and matter, um, being in the fourth dimension, you would be able to to navigate through objects, you'd be able to do all kinds of craziness. Now, to answer my own question, uh, according to Y Kapadaya, uh, Ton 618 is 40 billion solar masses.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

I don't even know what one solar mass is.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

So if you think of the size of our sun, and you think how many uh have you ever heard how many Jupiters fit inside of our sun? And how it's a lot of Earths fit inside of one Jupiter? Oh, yeah, it's just to comprehend how big our Earth is to us, and then you fit our Earth into Jupiter, and then how many into Jupiter, how many Jupiters into the Sun? What does everyone think of the white hole theory? I love that question, Steph, because uh philosophically thinking really into the white hole. See, philosophically speaking this guy. I just got that. I just got it.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

And you were gonna move past that.

SPEAKER_02 28:19

I was, yeah. Philosophically thinking, if there is a black hole, there would be something called a white hole. Where we might be going wrong is we're looking for it in our universe. There might not be something in our universe. Even physicists agree there there may be something called the multiverse.

SPEAKER_03 28:34

Yeah, fucking not spidey. I do I do think like like in like multiverse stuff, we could just be in the same exact spot in like every like you know, we we're we're on a different frequency frequency than like the other Earth that's right next to us. Right. We're like in intertwined, and that's where like Mandela effect and shit happens. Right.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Yes. See that that's I you know the older I get and the more I hear about these theories, the more that I feel like it almost seems more likely than not that there are such things as like parallel universes, parallel dimensions, yeah. Like it just at this point, it's seeming to me again, stupid dumb me who doesn't really know much about space, but it really just feels more and more like that's maybe more likely than it's not the case. But like also, then then that begs the question like, how does that actually affect us though?

SPEAKER_02 29:30

Well, it it it's my question. In the sense, see, I I think of things like more closer to home, because you're asking bigger questions that we probably will never know the answer to.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

Well, because I think like I think like the where people discuss things like, what if you found out we're all living in a simulation? Right. And I've talked with this with uh with my cousin where I'm like, honestly, dude, what does it matter?

SPEAKER_02 29:52

What does it matter?

SPEAKER_00 29:53

Like, because I would think like, well, I Who's controlling the simulation? Yeah, like according, like at least in my perspective, I wake up every day, I feel like I'm making choices, I feel emotion based off of choices that are made or things that happen to me. I feel like I'm alive and maybe I'm just gonna like uh what what's the quote? Uh I think, therefore I am. Yeah. Like, what does it matter if we find out that, oh, you know what? Actually, all of your choices, well, I guess that could affect some people. But like the idea of like Well, but think about how So as long as you still have free will, even if we live in a simulation but you still have free will, it would be like, well, then what does it matter?

SPEAKER_02 30:34

It doesn't matter. It's just a matter of perspective. You're trying like people are trying to rationalize their poor decisions in certain ways. Other people are trying to think more philosophically to feel like they have more control over their lives. But the the rationale is we would there's no way for us to know. I think of something more terrestrial. Like we'll never know.

SPEAKER_03 30:55

We could be in a simulation. We could be a fucking if you're in a simulation and you die, we're all in a fucking space toddlers maracca. Like it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

But let's like men in black. Let's say that we do somehow scientifically prove we are in a simulation, every one of us. So what I think would I I think basically the purge would happen. I I think people would be like, well, then nothing I do matters, and would just do evil, horrible shit.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

People are already doing that. They didn't have to even be told.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Yeah. So like let's pretend that that wouldn't happen, even though that I think, in my opinion, that most likely would happen. Let's say that doesn't happen. Where do what do people do? Because personally, I really don't think it would affect me that much. Um, maybe I'm crazy, but my thought would be like, well, so let's say aliens made us and put us in a simulation, or God made us and put us on a planet, or we all happen to just somehow exist and now we all live on a planet. Either way, what does it matter? It it it feels like it doesn't actually matter as long as you feel like your life has purpose.

SPEAKER_03 32:02

As soon as we figure it out, they're just gonna turn us off because we're all about a test or something.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 32:09

Well, here I also have my favorite theories is that we came from Mars in the world.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

Ah, I do like that theory. I do like that theory, yeah. Landed?

SPEAKER_03 32:17

Just we yeah, like we I don't know, something, maybe our fucking planet or something. I don't know. Ashley.

SPEAKER_00 32:22

Well, isn't the theory isn't the theory that we fucked up Mars?

SPEAKER_03 32:26

Yeah, I think we so bad that we had to move that we keep landing on or something. Well, there's that goes hand in hand with the theory. And then the rest of us went to go look for other planets.

SPEAKER_02 32:35

It goes hand in hand with the theory that we were always smart, we got dumb, and are barely starting to get smart again. But here, I got I got something that's that's far more terrestrial. We always consider Earth the only habitation of life. But then we have such a hard time defining life. I mean, I'm not even talking about the modern political argument of what is life. No, like biology versus like intelligent life for when you look at like take a look at now, let me just just for humor's sake, take a look at the planet Uranus. And if you were to look out there and we say, Oh, there's absolutely no life, right? There's no life like ours. There's no life that we yeah, there's no carbon-based life.

SPEAKER_03 33:17

There's no beast. Carbon-based life other types, you know? Right.

Multiverse, Simulation, And Meaning

SPEAKER_02 33:21

And I'm just making shit up right now. But like, what if you were to look out there and there's you know, a silicon-based life form that we don't have the technology to see, to, to identify. We don't see it as anything. You know, it's like, oh, this planet rains diamonds, so there's nothing that could survive there. Well, what if there are beings that, you know, diamonds to them are water? You know, it doesn't affect them like it affects us.

SPEAKER_00 33:47

I mean, it it is like the assumption that, well, in order to be alive, you have to be a carbon-based being like us, but it completely discounts like the more you know science fiction that what we would call science fiction of like, what if it's a creature that is not earthly? Yep. It is a like like you said, it's made of metal, but it is conscious and it does things that would blow our minds since we wouldn't know that's not capable of being registered by our technology. We wouldn't know how to even like begin to process that. But yeah, I mean, you know what I was actually just thinking though? Like I was thinking like uh Uranus is the planet that rains diamonds. So I was I was thinking, like, man, that's gonna suck the day that humans can can build an outpost right outside Uranus. We're gonna kill that planet for diamonds.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

I'll tell you what, my favorite thing is uh the scientists quote Uranus gapes every seven years to release hot gas. I just I love that headline.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

But yeah, I don't know. It it's all very interesting. It's very um I don't know. I think it's just like a fun thought experiment. I don't put anything else really into it. I think some people get a little too carried away and like scared of it. And I don't think because I don't think there's any point in it getting scared by it because it's it is not a real threat. There are much more real imminent threats in our day-to-day life than a black hole or time or us being in a simulation.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

Yeah. Now, Steph makes a good point here. My favorite quote is that if there is a will, there's a way. Because the way we live and define life doesn't mean life cannot live. It's just different than ours, which is absolutely true. That's that's what I'm trying to get at. I'm I'm not I'm not quite intelligent enough to to formulate what exactly I'm thinking with that, but it's like, how do we know that there's nothing else out there just because it doesn't fit into our small-minded parameters?

SPEAKER_00 35:49

But I guess that's also like when we say we're looking for well, I mean, when we're looking for planets that could potentially inhabit life, we are considering for us like could a human go there and ever live there, or are the conditions too harsh? Right. So I I think that's sometimes the metric that we use for that. Um because yeah, we don't know what the like we don't know what lives on the surface of Venus just because it's incredibly hot and no carbon-based life forms could ever exist on there.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

And we don't have technology to penetrate the clouds. I mean, how cool is it that we've actually sent a space probe there that recorded about seven seconds of video?

SPEAKER_00 36:34

Yeah, on the surface. That's scary. That that place looks like hell. It does. That is a horrifying planet.

SPEAKER_02 36:42

Mars is cool as shit. I mean Mars is dope. I love those those uh rover pictures images. It took a picture of Earth.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

Yeah. You know the the last line that it said, one of the rovers said before it turned off.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

The first one, yeah. Yeah, said getting dark.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

That's setting off. That's so sad. Now it it was, it's funny because in reality, what it was was a series of binary codes. And so it was far less emotional.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

We Yeah, I know, I know it's not emotional, but when you put it in quotes on an Instagram post with sad music behind it, it makes you feel something, you know? We anthropomorphosize it, but it was I'm like the rover, it did its job and it's going to sleep.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

But it's got it's got the second one out there now.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

Yeah, it's pretty cool. The Mars stuff is cool. I think uh I I kind of I don't know, I'm not a scientist, but Elon's idea to nuke the poles sounds fun.

SPEAKER_02 37:39

I mean, well, also consider What's the worst that could happen? Also consider that nuking the poles means something completely different today than when we set off the bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yeah. We're not gonna just drop a a kiloton nuke on the pole. It would be a precise, yeah, a very precise job.

SPEAKER_00 38:01

Yeah, absolutely. I I I still think it's just like what's the worst that could happen?

SPEAKER_02 38:06

You know, we'd destroy Mars.

SPEAKER_00 38:10

It's so far from us, does it really matter?

SPEAKER_02 38:13

It doesn't matter as much as Jupiter matters. Right? Jupiter is our bodyguard.

SPEAKER_03 38:19

Yeah, but then what if we knocking Mars out of orbit and it's out of its orbit and it starts coming towards us? Fire more nukes. It won't hear me out. We don't have enough nukes. There's a super high chance either we get new moons or we have rings after. I mean, we will be dead, but yeah, we won't know.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

That's it'll probably but the silicon beings on Uranus would be like, what the fuck is happening over there?

SPEAKER_03 38:50

Imagine Earth with a bunch of fucking like rings, dude, and then like a big ass chunk out of it because of the That is like the coolest thought.

SPEAKER_00 38:59

They're like, did those dummies nuke their neighboring planet? Remember when we did that shit to Pluto?

SPEAKER_03 39:04

Yeah. Did they did they fuck up Mars again? Round two? Weren't they just there a couple thousand years ago? It's all conspiracy guys.

SPEAKER_00 39:19

So we've sent out a probe to Uranus?

SPEAKER_03 39:23

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

Have we sent a probe into all of our neighboring planets like just to try and land? Um all of them.

SPEAKER_02 39:32

New Horizons went by Jupiter, Saturn, and Pluto.

SPEAKER_01 39:37

It didn't go nothing went in those?

Life Beyond Carbon And Alien Possibilities

SPEAKER_02 39:39

No. Um no, they won't send anything uh into any of the what was the what was the one? But they didn't want to send it into the moon. So they sent the probe into I think they crashed it into Saturn because it's a gas giant, so it just destroys. The the probe.

SPEAKER_03 40:01

Yeah, didn't we crash one into Jupiter?

SPEAKER_02 40:06

You know what? I think I'm thinking of Jupiter because it was uh there was thought behind landing it on I don't know if it was like Titus. I don't know if it was ion or I think it was Ganymede. And they were gonna drop a probe on Ganymede, but then they said for future scientific research, they didn't want to do it because they didn't want if somebody had a virus who was working on the probe and they crash land this thing and the virus had survived up to this point, then they're oh there's life on this moon. No, it it was us, so they they crashed it on uh Jupiter for that purpose because it just was pulverized into nothing.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

Yeah, I well I'd just be interested to I guess I'm sure they would release it, but I I'd be curious to know like what are the last images that saw before it got destroyed? Like, do we know what that is, or is it just data, or like what I I would love to see the closest image we have of Jupiter and of Saturn, you know? Like, is it at all near the surface of it, or does it just get absolutely destroyed well before the pressure would get well because I know it's a gas giant, so like by the surface, I mean like to the point where like you can't see it anymore, like it goes past that first level of cloud? No, it's it's hot as hell, there's a lot of pressure and like you guys ever seen that movie where like a whole like humans colonized Jupiter.

SPEAKER_03 41:38

How the fuck would they do that?

SPEAKER_00 41:40

It was a stupid movie, but basically like I remember the scene of them them like traveling into Jupiter, maybe it was Saturn or something, I don't know, but they I think it was Jupiter, they're traveling into it, and they have to go through like the first layer of Jupiter to get to the safe spot, and it's like horrible storms, like they almost die just getting into it.

SPEAKER_03 42:01

Isn't uh uh doesn't Avatar take place on one of the moons?

SPEAKER_00 42:07

I thought it was Saturn.

SPEAKER_03 42:08

Uh I think you should give them the socials, Alex.

SPEAKER_02 42:13

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SPEAKER_03 43:28

Alright. Uh, I think somebody needs to win. Alex, what movie would you want to do next time?

SPEAKER_00 43:34

Man, I love the way we're picking winners nowadays.

SPEAKER_02 43:36

Well, I'm I'm wondering, we gotta get back to zombies. So what I'm thinking is that brand new zombie movie that just came out? Well, it's not brand new. I think it's 2024. We bury the dead.

SPEAKER_03 43:48

No, it doesn't come out in 2020. But it doesn't be more, but it came out.

SPEAKER_00 43:52

It doesn't hit American markets until later this year.

SPEAKER_03 43:55

No, I thought it came out this month.

SPEAKER_00 43:58

No, yeah, January 20th.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Oh, whoa, you said you said later this year. You meant later this month?

SPEAKER_00 44:04

Is that not later this year? Oh, Eric, what would you want to do for a movie? Oh, that's such a good question, man. I don't know. I do agree, I kinda want to go back to zombies, but I just feel like this doesn't really all that great out right now. Um, oh man. I don't know. I could think of something, but it's February 5th.

SPEAKER_01 44:25

Damn it. It's in theaters January 2nd. Isn't Bone Temple supposed to come out before then? I think Bone Temple. I thought Bone Temple was already out. The the 28 years later, too? Yeah, everybody was talking about it. I've seen your comment, Josh. I think it was a trailer.

SPEAKER_03 44:42

Alex, you get points from Josh.

SPEAKER_01 44:45

Yay!

SPEAKER_03 44:46

Um wait, who did the last one?

SPEAKER_01 44:50

Uh I'm pretty sure I did.

SPEAKER_03 44:52

Oh, okay. Not at all related. I just needed to know. Uh that means since Alex got points from Josh, I'm giving the wins. Eric, you need you're any gonna have to come up with the idea while you're so tired from working.

SPEAKER_00 45:10

Uh you know what? I have I I've thought of movies, and I can't think of a single movie except Spider-Man right now.

SPEAKER_03 45:18

I'm so happy for you that you won.

SPEAKER_00 45:21

Let's go through with Toby Maguire.

SPEAKER_03 45:24

Muchas gracias a todos por Escochar Este Estudio, the Will You Survivor Podcast, me nombre as TJ, S. Alex, S. Eric, y hasta la próxima. I don't I don't know how to say that word. Um stay alive.