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Will You Survive... The Podcast
Immerse yourself in the world of cinema as we embark on a journey to equip you with the skills to tackle any disaster head-on. Through the lens of thrilling tales, particularly those of the zombie apocalypse, we'll unravel the secrets of preparedness. Join us as we explore the silver screen to empower you for the challenges that lie ahead.
Will You Survive... The Podcast
Shaun Of The Debate
What happens when we force our co-hosts to argue the exact opposite of what they believe about Shaun of the Dead? Sparks. We flip the table, press every hot button—humor that lands vs humor that dates, heart that sings vs tone that whiplashes—and let the best case win.
We start with the big question: is Edgar Wright’s kinetic style a stroke of comic engineering or noise that undercuts fear? From the record-throwing bit to the Queen-backed bar fight, we pull apart pacing, sound cues, and visual jokes to see whether the film earns its cult status through craft or coasts on nostalgia. Then we get into the heart of it: Shaun’s stagnation, his strained ties with Liz, the stepdad reckoning, and that gut-punch with his mum. Does the movie really blend grief with laughs, or does it swerve away right when emotion matters most?
Survival strategy takes center stage as we audit the Winchester plan like preppers. Limited exits, loud jukebox, paper-thin food options—smart fallback or chaos magnet? We weigh leadership under pressure, group dynamics, and the fine line between bravado and a bad call. Finally, a lightning round forces fast judgments on the best scene, Shaun’s dumbest move, whether Ed is loyal or dead weight, and if we’d personally make it out alive against shambly, slow-moving zombies.
If you love horror-comedy, Edgar Wright, zombie survival analysis, or just sharp debate with punchy humor, this one’s loaded with takeaways: how to judge tone balance, what makes a joke structure timeless, and why “good enough” plans crumble in a siege. Listen, then tell us where you land—masterpiece or lucky timing? Tap follow, leave a five-star rating, and share this episode with a friend who swears the Winchester was a good idea. Your vote might settle the debate—or start a new one.
Hello, survivors, and welcome to another episode of Will You Survive the Podcast. In this episode, we are going to be blending some popular culture with tactical thinking and survival.
SPEAKER_01:Popular is a bit of a stretch.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, it's popular as hell. We are going to be talking about Sean of the Dead. We'll just call this episode Sean of the Debate. Our co-host, you guys know them. They're TJ and Eric. It's me, TJ.
SPEAKER_01:And it's me, gay.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, dang. I'm going to be Sean of the Mid. Yeah, you are. Wow. Okay, well, you guys are going to be arguing with you on everything. This is a debate over whether or not Sean of the Dead is a masterpiece. For those of you who don't know, Eric does not believe this movie to be a masterpiece. TJ does.
SPEAKER_01:That is an absolute lie, Your Honor. I would like them to be stricken for the record. No, it's he's committing to it now.
SPEAKER_02:We reverse the roles on them, and we're going to make them argue their opposite points. So Eric's gonna have to prove to me that he believes this is a masterpiece and why, and TJ's gonna have to prove it's not, also backing up his points. Can Eric defend the brilliance of this movie that he doesn't believe?
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Um, I I wanna I'm I'm gonna present a pre-game defense. For those of you who may not have been around for a while, you were just born. Um Alex makes some intense questions at times, and a lot of times they make me feel like I'm back in college, and I work a very demanding job, and I have a pretty demanding side gig, and I have a new puppy, so I'm very busy and I'm tired, and I don't have time for homework. And uh I I've read the questions, I've read the questions.
SPEAKER_01:I've got a demanding job and two new cats.
SPEAKER_00:But TJ uh is a lot more prepared for this episode than I am. I've got a demanding job, two kids.
SPEAKER_01:So so you're like adult plus, you can't really talk, Alex. We're yeah, that's not fair. When we when we oh, so we need we need somebody, somebody, something's happening. Get an adult. See, we don't they don't come back to us, they go to you.
SPEAKER_02:I am old, so I'm tired.
SPEAKER_00:No, you're experienced, but I'm tired. No, no, um seasoned.
SPEAKER_01:The sent the centuries of the centuries of seasoned a good band.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, continue. Finish your excuses. I mean reasons.
SPEAKER_00:All that to say um that if my defense of this movie is very poor, although I don't think this movie is a masterpiece, at this point it's a little more out of ego, but I will say I kind of viewed this movie in a little bit of a different light, this watch. And there were some parts of it that I might have overlooked before that are when you look at it as different than the way I was looking at the movie the first couple watches, it's better. And it's funny. I've never thought it wasn't funny, I just thought it was a lot, it was really corny, but I kind of ignored a lot of the nuances of the movie and I saw them this time. So I don't I've never hated this movie.
SPEAKER_02:I know, but with that, we're going to ask the question. I'm gonna ask again Can Eric defend the brilliance of a film he doubts? Can TJ dismantle a movie he loves? We're gonna finish this off by asking the question Do either of you think that you would survive zombie apocalypse if you were either led by Sean himself or if you were Sean? Oh no. With that, let's get the show on the road. Oh, I thought that was a question. No, no, that'll be that'll be for the end here, okay? I know my answer. So, having watched the movie, we all watched the movie long before this this take, but we all watched it with these questions in mind. So I'm gonna ask, this one's for D for TJ. Well, let me ask Eric first. What makes Shauna the Dead a timeless masterpiece of horror comedy?
SPEAKER_00:This movie perfectly blends the horror genre with the comedy genre to a point where even when there was horrible things happening, such as um who is the guy who got ripped apart? Uh Ed or um No, he got David David. Even when that's happening, which was a pretty that's a pretty graphic scene uh for a comedy movie, they immediately follow it up with I thought it was kind of funny that his wife barges out there into certain death. But it's just I don't I don't know. It perfectly blends that kind of horror comedy, like kind of the genesis of it all. And I think that's kind of what makes it a timeless classic, is that it was uh I believe one of the first to really try and blend these these uh two genres together, and now we've seen a lot of things like even Cooties, which is essentially Sean of the Dead in a way, uh kind of that same humor horror.
SPEAKER_04:Does that answer the question? Yeah. So I had to ask TJ now.
SPEAKER_02:Your question is in the opposite, let me frame it for you. What makes Sean of the Dead a dated gimmick that just got lucky?
SPEAKER_01:Well, you see, Alex, it's it's really simple. It is, it's a dated gimmick. It relied on early 2000s irony, humor, and like it just it the zombie trend, you know, like that's the only reason this movie came out, is because movies are in the early 2000s, they're like, yo, zombies are popular. Let's just do zombies. It was nothing fucking special. The editing was horrible, it was like fucking watching MTV Cribs. Um the the fucking the the awful comedy in it. It's dated, not clever at all. It's British you. Um and I really think that if you like this movie, it's just the fact that it's the nostalgia keeping it alive, but it's it's not timeless, it's not a masterpiece. It's just your nostalgia speaking.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, so do I get a rebuttal?
SPEAKER_02:Uh yeah, you can rebut that.
SPEAKER_00:Um I think that the British thing is really hard to refute, so I'm not gonna refute that one. That one's true. But so British, you Yeah, th that I mean come on. I think we've established on this podcast that like it's not even offensive because they're not real.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:So but the other things that you said about the humor being dated and just not overall not that great, I actually think quite the opposite. I think that the many parallels that that these jokes had, a lot of callbacks, um it was just very well crafted. It's a the whole movie is one well-crafted joke with several little segments and reoccurring bits that go through the whole film.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so you're fully okay with white people saying the word nigga? What? Uh he hops out the car. What does he say? Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's funny.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, so you think race is funny.
SPEAKER_02:Absolutely. Especially once again.
SPEAKER_01:That's that's coming from you, Eric. That's kind of yeah. Wow. Funny racism, I guess. I'm just saying, I'm sure everybody does TikTok.
SPEAKER_00:You know, like I I guarantee if I open your TikTok, I see some of the worst shit I've ever seen in my life.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, no, it's we're not gonna we're not gonna go there, and the reason why we're not gonna go there is because we all qualify as people of color. So it's kind of irrelevant.
SPEAKER_01:Some of us more than others, all right, Alex. If you look at his we're ranking our colored, come on, brother.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, all right.
SPEAKER_01:Eric The Caucassity is is you even got a white dog. It's it's it you're saying. You even got a white dog.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, but look, that's a very Mexican thing. I got a white crusty dog. Nope, this is supposed to be a chihuahua. I love it. It's a very Mexican thing. Oh, supposed to be a Chihuahua that's terrible. I got a white crusty terrier who just ate pasta off the ground not 30 minutes ago.
SPEAKER_02:All right, I'm gonna have to interject here, and I will tell you I'm giving Eric that point, and I'm gonna tell you why. I can explain myself. The reason why I'm going to give Eric that point is because the reasons why you choose to not acknowledge the masterpiece of this movie uh are actually debunked or uh uh refuted by critics. So Edgar Wright's kinetic style of editing was actually one of the things that made it stand out. Uh, it was very unusual for a comedy to do series of cutscenes the way that they did. I also uh not only do I do I agree with Eric, but the audiences agree with Eric that it has at least for 20 years, it has proved itself to be timeless on X. It sounds to me like nostalgia keeping on social media. Uh well, I wouldn't say so because when it came up for its 20th anniversary last year, uh it's still alive and well. There are still plenty of memes that are being shared around that talk about uh you've got red on you, uh that is still alive and well.
SPEAKER_00:I'm I'm not gonna lie, TJ. I think you're screwed this episode.
SPEAKER_02:Do you think he's screwed?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, because if I got that point, then he's screwed.
SPEAKER_02:Nah, he just gotta pivot. TJ's quick on his head feet.
SPEAKER_00:If if that's the metric that we're following, that the the audience is gonna agree with me on everything here.
SPEAKER_02:No, no, no. No, not everything. Because I'll tell you, a couple of the points that you hit on were only lucky. There are many weaknesses to the argument that this is a masterpiece.
SPEAKER_01:One of them one of them is that it's a British fucking movie.
SPEAKER_02:No, not not not that it's not that it's a British movie. I'm not gonna say British you is the reason, but you're not wrong in that sense because it was limited to the UK, and because it was limited to the UK, it really didn't have that wide of a reach at first. It grew later, and because of its British, um, its British uh roots, if you will, it didn't translate well into other languages, which is quite funny. So you weren't entirely wrong, it's just that Eric hit on several of the main points of what makes this movie uh stand the test of time. So that point goes to Eric. I don't think that I I will not say that I think you are screwed in this episode. I don't think all of the answers are gonna go like this.
SPEAKER_01:Let's see.
SPEAKER_00:I'm not gonna lie, bro. It feels rigged.
SPEAKER_01:Fucking rigged.
SPEAKER_00:I admire your I admire your work.
SPEAKER_02:I This is why I don't try. I hope it is rigged. Okay. TJ, how does the film's humor make it fall flat and derail the zombie horror?
SPEAKER_01:Well Alex. Uh I think that it derails it by the fact that, you know, every scare that's included in this movie is uh immediately killed by a joke. Uh it never commits to being scary or funny. I'm never afraid and I'm never laughing in this movie. It's really it's just bad. Um I will admit, the sub niggas was funny. I just I forgot he said that. Alright. It was funny, but I can say that because I'm black. Eric, you're you're white, so you can't really. Um and I would like to reiterate No, we're we're all people of color here.
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SPEAKER_01:The awkward British humor. It's just it wears the whole thing thin, you know? Kind of kind of ruins it.
SPEAKER_02:Eric, your question in the same line, how does the film's humor make it a classic?
SPEAKER_00:Like I said in my last answer, I think this entire movie is one big bit with a bunch of smaller bits within it. And if I like anything, it's a good bit. And I like that they commit to some of them. They I think they follow the rule of threes in comedy pretty often, uh, with this film, where there's a lot of callbacks uh to moments that keep happening. The first one being the uh when uh Simon Peck's character, I already forgot his name. What's his name? What's the main character's name? John. That would be an idiot. No, that would you're fucking dumb. So I forgot the name of the movie for a half a second there. I just started thinking of all the names I could think of, and I couldn't remember what his name was.
SPEAKER_01:Michael of the Dead Talk anymore. What the fuck are we talking about?
SPEAKER_00:Michael of the District.
SPEAKER_02:It's scene of the scene of the deceased.
SPEAKER_04:Michael of the Deceased. The Netflix spinoff.
SPEAKER_02:Good stuff, good stuff.
SPEAKER_00:Um when Sean told the kid you're uh next time you're dead, and the next time he sees him, the kid's a zombie. And then when Ed tells their roommate, I forgot his name, um, like next time I see him, he's a dead man. And then the next time they see him, he's dead. And then I can't remember if it happens a third time, but just the the constant uh callbacks and and like foreshadowing that's happening within this movie is not only comedic, but uh very well crafted. It's a well-crafted joke, the whole movie.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, TJ, your rebuttal. Uh, I think you're confusing callbacks with comedy. In what way is calling back comedy? It's just repeating the same thing over and over. And it's not the rules of threes if it keeps happening more than three times.
SPEAKER_00:I'm pretty sure that's a tenant of con comedy.
SPEAKER_01:Nope. That's the the the only rules of threes in this podcast I believe in is three days without water, three weeks without food, and three what? See, he doesn't even know your honor.
SPEAKER_00:Three three seconds without WIS.
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SPEAKER_01:How much polyester is gonna stuff? Polyester isn't edible, cotton is cotton's edible? Cotton is edible. Cotton is a plant.
SPEAKER_00:The WISP.
SPEAKER_01:Are they edible or are we giving our people microplastics? Anyways. Microplastics. Yeah, I think you're confusing what humor actually is. It's they there was no originality in any of the jokes. They were all just the same jokes said multiple times and hoping you get a laugh.
SPEAKER_00:Oh yeah? When did he say the n-word again?
SPEAKER_01:Also, British ew.
SPEAKER_02:The the the British ew, you said a few things in the uh in the comment, your original comment, TJ, that fall under a category in the the weaknesses of calling this a masterpiece. The arguments against land on something called niche appeal, which is very true in this sense. Uh it this is a very hard thing to do in film, which is called cross genre. To be able to blend horror and comedy well is a very tough thing to do, and it is very niche, it's not widely accepted. That's why the argument to say that this is not a masterpiece still holds water despite all of the evidence that I can give that would make it a masterpiece. The arguments are very valid, this being one of them. Uh, the jokes didn't land for everybody, the the horror didn't land for everybody. It was not it was not scary or funny to a lot of people. You actually hit almost exactly on this category, niche appeal. So DJ's gonna get that point, and we can uh move on to the next question here. Eric. Yes, does Sean of the Dead's emotional debt, for instance, Sean's relationships with Liz and his mom make it stand out?
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely. I think his relationship with Liz was kinda like a lot of Reddit stories that I've been listening to, uh, where he kind of got complacent and he gave up. And uh he was kind of fucking up a lot. And I think a little bit of it was definitely Ed, but I think he could take some responsibility for some of it too. And I I think it was just a very real, um, like just very real experiences and very real relationship that you know I I've heard that people have had where, you know, they fall complacent into a relationship and you know, it just you kind of lose that spark and there's a lot of disappointment involved. But uh I think and I still also think that his relationship, I think less so with his mom and more so with his stepdad, where he like hated him, and then really quickly when it seemed like reality hit him like a truck, and all of a sudden it just it took a a world-ending event to really snap him out of his kind his complacency and realize he's gotta step up. And that's when he realized that Philip wasn't a bad guy and that he was kind of being the jerk in this situation, and uh he even ended up crying when Philip died, and he was really sad about it, and of course, you know, the the movie did yeah immediately go to uh comedy again, but it it perfectly intermixes these uh the these really emotional moments, and then they kind of lighten it back up again with the comedy, which I think is the perfect way to blend these two genres.
SPEAKER_02:TJ, your question on the same line does Sean of the Dead's emotional depth, like his relationship with Liz and his mom, uh is it just turning it into tact on melodrama that weakens all the fun?
SPEAKER_01:I find it incredibly funny that you would bring up the fact that it's perfectly mixed, as you say, and then you bring up the same scene where Philip dies and he's crying, and it's supposed to be an emotional scene. It immediately cuts to a joke. Like he's just oh, he's gone. Where'd he go? Yeah. Okay. Bro just lost his fucking father figure. I believe that the the emotional beats in this are forced, abrupt, and I bel there's like complete like tonal whiplash throughout this entire movie. It's just, hey, sad scene. Joke, sad scene, and it's it's not at all perfectly mixed.
SPEAKER_00:I think of this movie similar to Zombieland. When Bill Murray got shot in Zombieland, it was a sad and dramatic moment. Um, and then was immediately followed by Emma Stone asking him if there's any movies he would regret. And he goes, Garfield, maybe, and that's funny, and then they toss his body up the balcony. Very funny. Uh Zombie Land had a different, not so much of a slapstick vibe as Sean of the Dead did. But that all that to say, that is this genre. That is how you mix horror comedy, is you you mix in these dramatic moments, like Talhassey crying about his child, uh saying it's a dog, then it ends up being his kid, and then he's drying his eyes with Monopoly money. So, you know, that there's that humor mixed in with the dramatic moments. See, but uh which are you and I guess you could argue the intensity of it, but like that is the genre.
SPEAKER_02:Both of you did extremely well on hitting on the points that are referenced for this exact genre, the what they're calling the Zomcom movie. Uh, there are a lot of different uh different complaints and uh what is the what is the opposite compliments? Compliments of the clashing of these these emotions, specifically using Philip and Sean, uh Sean's mom and uh her death and Ed's death. The fact that they keep forcing this comedy with it, you both are are actually hitting on the exact points that some people absolutely love about this, which I'm one of those. But there's many viewers who said that it distracted from the movie's progress. There was no need for it to be so emotional in such a funny movie, you know. Uh, but in order to do that, you have to admit that it's a funny movie, TJ. So stop trashing it, just prove your point. All you gotta do is debate the point. But you did hit exactly on the point. Uh, there is a viewer relationship with this movie that they call it tone clash, and they did not find it favorable and make it uh they didn't make it anything that was more worthwhile. They didn't think that it added anything to the movie. Uh however, I am gonna have to give the point to Eric because although that is a good, a good point you made, TJ, it's not a foolproof point because the overwhelming majority of critics loved the tone clashing of this movie. They thought it was endearing and felt like it actually helped to break up the monotony of the movie that's trying to just be funny and allowing it to actually have some heart.
SPEAKER_00:So that's but uh exactly like I said.
SPEAKER_02:I'm not I'm not railing against your point. I'm just I'm just telling you, you don't have to trash the movie to earn points on this. Just debate your point. Do y'all hear this motherfucker?
SPEAKER_00:How embarrassing, TJ.
SPEAKER_02:Do you hear him?
SPEAKER_04:Here hear who? Do you hear this guy? Who? The host?
SPEAKER_01:They all hear the host.
SPEAKER_00:It sounds like he's talking shit, host. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:I'm I'm wondering. I'm not talking to you guys. I'm talking to the survivor. Do you hear this guy? Isn't that isn't that wild? What just happened?
SPEAKER_02:Is that is it wild or did I not you did I not make the point well?
SPEAKER_01:Not not you. You in the back? You you look wasn't that shit wild? Alright, back to the show. I don't back to the show. Okay. So I completely agree with what you're saying, Your Honor, and that was great.
SPEAKER_02:We're going back to TJ for the negative. The Winchester pub siege is the film's climax. Does it prove that this is just a that Sean led them into a chaotic mess that that falls apart?
SPEAKER_01:Well, yeah. He didn't really have a plan. I mean, as you could see in the scenes where he's trying to come up with the plan, last resort, Winchester, of course, because that's the only place he wants to go to. It it's a bad plan because one, well, they didn't know it, but there's only one exit that's like, you know. One's blocked up by zombies, other one's blocked up by zombies. If bro wasn't there, they wouldn't know the fucking cellar was open. Which I feel like he could have said sooner. Anyways, he's an idiot. Open windows. Not to the fall, Sean. It's because of the other dumbass. But again, once that's breached, throwing chairs and shit in front of it's not gonna help. That really just like that's not gonna do anything for you. They turn the power on, which there's a whole ass jukebox there that randomly plays shit. Why would you not at least try to unplug that? No thought in that. You know, because it was such like a back of his mind plan, like it was last resort. Hey, let's go to the freaking Winchester. There's like a million zombies outside, so that's automatically less safe than where they were at the at her apartment. They could all just been up there. And yeah, everybody dies because of it, except for two people by pure luck and happenstance. There was no plan. He just he wanted he wanted to do what he wrote down on the fridge that morning, or before the morning when he passed out drunk. He said, visit mom, get my girl back, and then whatever. So that was his horror. His plan was to just get bitches. And I think he said sort my life out. Yeah. So Eric could really learn something from this. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Shots fired. Okay, alright, alright, alright.
SPEAKER_01:And that's my that's my point.
SPEAKER_02:You're arguing from from the character of Sean, which is good. I'm not I'm not uh I'm not deducting anything from that. But I want to add a little bit to it. Because we're talking about the film being a masterpiece. Do you think that this that this climax achieved what the director was going for? Right? Because the whole the whole thing that he's trying to get you to, the whole story arc of Sean is from a loser to a hero. Do you feel like he progressed us to that point by this climax?
SPEAKER_01:Dude was not a hero whatsoever. He got saved by the military at the end. And as I said, everybody died because of his stupid plan, uh, including his best friend, who's dead in a shed at the end. It was literally just chaos from the start. The only like the only way he could get the zombies away is he's oh right? And then the zombies follow him, and what does he do? Lead him right back to another entrance that they weren't at before.
SPEAKER_04:So like yeah. Alright.
SPEAKER_02:And so for you, Eric, did the Winchester Pub's siege being the film's climax, did it prove Sean's genius as a survival story?
SPEAKER_00:I think that Sean did the best he could, and although I saw where he was coming from at the end where he was kind of beaten up on himself and he was saying that, you know, he failed because so many people died. Although that's true, this is one of those situations where the a lot of it is luck, and this is not really your fault. Now, the Winchester, they knew a place that did end up having a working gun, was did have some pretty hefty doors. It took the zombies a good little while to to get back in, and they would not have gotten in had uh Sean not let them back to the back door. They weren't even coming in through the broken window. So I think it's safe to say that it was fine until all the drama with David and uh and his girlfriend opening the or him getting pulled out and then her opening the door. If it wasn't for that, uh I think they could have secured the Winchester. Um I don't think a bar is necessarily the worst place to pick. Uh I think your biggest concern is gonna be food. But uh I don't think like because it you know it's not gonna have a lot of it. Water. I guess water too. But you have you have something you could trade, and I I would argue that at least the Winchester was, if not defensible, it had supplies to move on to the next spot. So I don't think it was an awful plan. Um I I I think it was a decent plan, and I think he had lead the leadership qualities that were necessary to keep the group together because we saw when David tried to take on the role of leader, the group was really quickly spiraling. And it wasn't until it kind of seems like David was the the chink in the armor for uh for that group. He kind of caused the collapse of that group. I wouldn't say that it was Sean's planning that did that.
SPEAKER_02:Well, as uh as Brandon says, they had beer.
SPEAKER_00:They had beer.
SPEAKER_01:Beer's made with water. First, you laugh at the N-word coming from a white man, and then you say chink, bro.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my goodness. Um you made it that.
SPEAKER_01:You're right, I didn't make it that. We're trying to cancel Eric this season. This is cancel Eric. Apparently, you want to cancel Eric, dial 1-800, cancel Eric, and you will probably call something that isn't us. That's a very long phone number.
SPEAKER_02:I like uh I like that. I always say that, especially if they had Coors Light, they then they had Mountain Spring water. They had plenty of water, but it's Britain, so they probably didn't have coarse light.
SPEAKER_01:Now fucking fermented piss, aka Guinness.
SPEAKER_02:What I will I will say this. Um I I even tried to lead I even tried to lead your answer there, TJ. Um I don't even I don't even get
SPEAKER_01:Rebuttal. I feel like I should be able to rebuttal. Rebut. Rebut. There was no after plan. Oh, it could get to the next place. Bro didn't have a plan. He he did exactly what bro said he would do, and hey, let's eat fucking peanuts and sit there. There was no genius. There was it was a chaotic mess. That's what I that's my point. It didn't lead him to anywhere that I feel like the if the director wanted it to be to the point where he was a hero at the end, didn't work. His father figure died, his mom died, everyone fucking died. Was not a hero. Only thing he saved is his goddamn relationship, I guess. Unrealistic at that. No.
SPEAKER_00:He he had Ed at the end.
SPEAKER_01:He was dead.
SPEAKER_00:I just want to point out. They were playing video games together.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, Ed was playing with one finger. He was holding the controller and poking it.
SPEAKER_00:Look, I'd still play games with you if you were dead. I don't know why you're being dead phobic over here.
SPEAKER_02:I know. I kind of saw I kind of saw the relationship between Eric and TJ in that scene. Sorry to say.
SPEAKER_01:I mean like crazy that you would think that he's not Ed. The amount of TJ on shit he does, dude. Okay, I'm that bad at games. That's no, you're not gonna try to rage bait me, sir.
SPEAKER_02:I am great at games. Okay. So TJ, I'll tell you you you struck directly on some points regarding survival strategy flaws, right? Of course, it was a terrible plan to go to the Winchester. That there's no argument there. Everybody knows that was the worst plan that they could have come up with.
SPEAKER_00:I disagree.
SPEAKER_02:They followed through with that plan because he had no other plan, right? They get to the Winchester. What I was trying to coax out of you, I was leading you in this answer here. I wanted you to uh talk about Sean's growth through the movie. Uh yeah, he when he got to the Winchester, the fact is that he did start making tougher calls, right? But it was it was the flaw and the chaos of the filmmaker. I mean, he took 20 minutes to progress the story in the Winchester, right? You get to the Winchester, and that's the final 20 minutes of a 99-minute movie. So your your chaotic mess is absolutely relevant in that argument. Uh, he it felt like he kind of struggled to move the story along from that point. Now, Sean did grow. Yeah, that was the the point of the story. He did grow into being somewhat of a leader, uh, even to the point where he hands Ed the gun at the end, or sorry, the the rifle at the end and says, uh, you know, here, take this. He's like, You don't want it? Nah, I can't hit anything with it. I'm absolute rubbish. Right? It's like it still being funny, but making tougher calls that, hey, let's make sense, let's really make choices that make sense out of it.
SPEAKER_00:Putting ego aside.
SPEAKER_02:But uh, you didn't have to you didn't have to argue the point, the positive of this and still get the uh and still get the win by pointing out the pacing issues that the director had with this, and that was kind of the the thing I was trying to coax you toward. We're talking about the filmmaking and that this is a masterpiece, not necessarily the survival strategy flaws, although there were many, and I thank you for bringing those up. And I think uh you are gonna get that point because you actually stayed heavy on that aspect rather than uh missing the other aspect.
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SPEAKER_00:Who hosts next episode?
SPEAKER_02:So I do want to tell you, Eric, you you hit on one main point of Sean, which I appreciate, but TJ hit on two separate uh points. I was trying to to lead him there because he's going really hard on the character instead of on the film. So to make sure that this is not gonna be a tie, I'm only gonna do the first three. So you guys already have these questions. So I'm only gonna do the first three.
SPEAKER_01:I think it'd be funny if it was a fucking tie at the end, but you know.
SPEAKER_02:Well, do you want to do four? We can do all four. TJ went last. So, Eric, you'll go first on the lightning round.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:This is quick provocations just to keep things spicy. You ready?
SPEAKER_00:Sure.
SPEAKER_02:Best moment in Sean of the Dead.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, fudge. Oh, best moment in Sean of the Dead when they're throwing the records at the zombies and they're picking which records they're gonna throw and which ones they're not. Very funny.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Alright. TJ, best moment. Uh or you could say overrated. The most overrated moment.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, I would think that the most overrated moment would probably be when uh Queen is playing over the radio.
unknown:Oh!
SPEAKER_01:Uh yeah, you would think that. And they're like doing zero like a hundred percent attack, zero percent damage on the bar owner.
SPEAKER_02:Um yeah, yeah, that was funny. All right, next, Sean's dumbest move. Uh TJ, you're gonna you're gonna attack it. Sean's dumbest move.
SPEAKER_01:The main move. Taking everybody to the goddamn pub. Bro, could have done there's like a million places. Like the UK isn't like huge, but there's a lot of places there that are a hundred percent better. Uh dumb no, you know what? Dumbest move not going with the group of people like the uh was it his ex-girlfriend or something? I didn't really get the high school buddy. High school buddy. Yeah, should have gone with her. Yeah, dumbest move.
SPEAKER_04:They look way more prepared, even though their group looked exactly the same. Okay. Eric Sean's dumbest move. His dumbest or his best? Well, defend it. Oh you want to defend that move? Not going with um Yvonne.
SPEAKER_00:Not going with Yvonne. I think uh to defend this, I would say that um you can't have you can't mix certain groups. You know, you know how you have certain friend groups, and you can't always mix those friend groups together because sometimes you know someone fits a certain personality, and you can't have too many of that personality in a group where the group kind of implodes on itself. So you can't double the and then you say don't mix.
SPEAKER_01:What's going on today, Eric?
SPEAKER_00:We need to segregate our friendships again because if Wow. If you add too many of the same personality to a friend group, it implodes.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Last two, you guys can pick which side you want to take, and you can be as real as you want with your own feelings. So, Ed, loyal friend or dead weight, TJ. Go.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, dead weight disguised as comic relief. Okay. He's uh Eric. He's an idiot. He's he's he's an idiot. He doesn't think about his friends. Uh yeah, he he crashed the fucking car, dumbass. Guess we gotta take the Jag, idiot.
SPEAKER_00:I would say smart. Um, first of all, crashing the shitty car so you could drive the Jaguar. Gold move. That that's that's a solid move. I it's a zombie apocalypse. I agree with that. That is calculated and planned, that's not stupid. He knew what he was doing. Um but I would say to answer the question, I think two things can be true at once. Although Ed was dead weight in a sense, because he kind of did just let his life be kind of lackadaisical, but at the same time, he was that comic relief, and it did give it he was such a loyal friend. So although he was he was a bit of a dead weight and kind of didn't help in the more traditional sense, he was very he was a very good friend to Sean in a sense that like when Sean got broken up with, although it was a little bit Ed's fault, uh Ed was the one to be there for Sean and dance with him and play electro music at two in the morning, four in the morning. Four in the morning, that was Ed. So Ed's all the vibes, it's a parasite. So I think two things could be true at once, but he's the vibe.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. And last but not least, would you survive in Sean's shoes?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, um, they're slower than walkers in the walking dead. Um so probably, yeah. You literally just walk and they can't get you. The the the biggest way that these type of zombies can get you is like they kind of sneak around because they're so slow. Um so just go up into somewhere high like a fucking watchtower, you know, type beat. And you can't get snuck up on.
SPEAKER_02:Sorry to tell you. But our uh one of our subscribers, Sam, commented and said, TJ, shut your mouth. You'll be Ed locked up in the shed by Eric.
SPEAKER_01:Eric wishes he could try to lock me in his shed.
SPEAKER_02:And she wasn't here when we said this before. That that makes it comical.
SPEAKER_01:Eric is literally four foot one.
SPEAKER_02:Eric, would you survive in Sean's shoes?
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely. Absolutely, I would survive in Sean's shoes. These zombies are not that bad. I think there are way worse zombies. And I think that uh as long as you don't get flanked, and as long as you just keep your head on a swivel, I think you easily survive this. I mean, Sean literally ran through a horde of them untouched, so I'll take my odds.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. Fair enough. Alright. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner.
SPEAKER_00:Is it the one who didn't know the main character's name?
SPEAKER_02:Our No. Okay, okay. Our winner after a tie and going through the lightning round is well, it's it was two to two going into this, and then the lightning round is three to one in favor of tune in next time to find out.
SPEAKER_01:No, I'm you know what I literally would do that. Like, you don't understand? I would do that. I would just think that'll wait till next episode. Yeah, just see who's introducing the next episode.
SPEAKER_02:So the winner is TJ.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, dude. And I even have an outro line for this.
SPEAKER_00:He literally planned to win. What is it?
SPEAKER_01:Sean of the Dead might have shambled into cult status, but under the laughs and edits, it's just a lazy, overhyped zombie flick that lucked into timing, not timelessness. And with that being said, I absolutely love this movie. And if you ever make me do something like this again, I will stab Eric. Well, thank you for the winner's speech there.
SPEAKER_02:I will say uh that's a wrap on Shauna the Debate. We finished that out.
SPEAKER_00:I think this is the last debate.
SPEAKER_02:Eric argu argued for the brilliance of the movie.
SPEAKER_01:We'll bring this back to the show.
SPEAKER_02:TJ tried to tear it down. But you all tell us who made the stronger case. And uh make sure you give us a rating on Spotify. I don't remember if Apple Podcasts lets you rate. I don't use an Apple. Sorry. Disgusting. I don't know these things.
SPEAKER_01:Just like British people. Apple, gross. Y'all are some followers.
SPEAKER_02:I don't but but I will say, all of you who use your apples, uh, I ain't judging because I know that you're the majority of our listeners.
SPEAKER_01:So I think Oh yeah, no, I love Apple. Apple's fun. Steve Jobs, praise him. Now, with all of that, TJ, you want to give them our socials? You can check us out on all of the major streaming platforms for audio. Uh you can check us out on TikTok. You can check us out on YouTube. We are posting there now. You can check us out on Instagram, Twitter, at the boys, I think. Um I don't do this enough. Y'all do this more.
SPEAKER_00:At the boys WIS at the boys.
SPEAKER_01:At WYS, I think. At WYS. At WIS on Twitter. We don't I don't do we do stuff on Twitter? I don't follow our Twitter. I should follow our Twitter.
SPEAKER_02:Um little by little. It's uh primarily become a um like a behind the scenes.
SPEAKER_01:Give me give me the login to that. I'm gonna start posting random tweets.
SPEAKER_02:I just I just I just randomly send stuff out. Um one of the one of the most common things that I'll do is when there are real um nature disasters, uh natural disasters going on, I'll tweet things um regarding those at that at that moment when I find out. But that's um yeah, X is X is one of the fewer used of the socials.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and if you guys would be so kind to you know rate us and shit, let us make money off this, and we'll send money to people in disasters. We might even fly down and do something. Just saying that'd be pretty fucking dope. Um, because we're great people here, uh, other than Eric Heather. I think we are clarified, he's racist.
SPEAKER_00:Um what the fuck? Only on days that end in dead.
SPEAKER_01:You can email us. That'd be great. Uh I'm kidding. I'm not racist. I want to make that very clear. The boys.
SPEAKER_02:We love your emails.
SPEAKER_01:Is it the boys at will you survive the podcast.com for our email? That is it. Uh, you can email us and it'll be great. Um, yeah. Um, oh, give me a thousand dollars and I'll get your name tattooed on me. I have been saying this, nobody's given me a thousand dollars yet. That's crazy. Yeah, like come on. It's such a good deal. You give me money, I'm I get a tattoo.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I'm shocked. No, wait, hang on. We never established this. Does does the thousand dollars uh cover the cost of the tattoo, or is it a thousand plus the cost of the tattoo?
SPEAKER_01:It's a thousand dollars, and then I'll use a chunk of the thousand for the tattoo. Okay. So really, like, you know, nine, maybe eight hundred. That would get the J. My sister came into my fucking live. Stop pulling Eric. Justice for Eric. Well, thank you. Thank you.
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SPEAKER_01:Unless you are Jonathan of the dead.
