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Three teenagers are taken. A man with 23 personalities holds the key. And somewhere between adrenaline, trauma, and belief, a monster takes shape. We pull Split apart scene by scene to ask the questions the movie dares us to consider: what’s real about Dissociative Identity Disorder, what’s pure cinematic myth, and how should a survivor respond when seconds count.

We start with the craft. James McAvoy’s performance is a clinic in subtlety—posture shifts, eye focus, compulsive tidying, even a pulsing vein that signals Dennis before the script tells you. We connect those choices to the film’s larger world, tracing threads back to Unbreakable and forward to Glass, and debate the line between a grounded thriller and a superhuman fable. The “Beast” stretches plausibility, but we explore why the idea resonates: the brain’s role in pain tolerance, stress responses, and the way belief can change behavior—if not biology.

Then we get practical. The rule we hammer home: never go to a second location. We analyze the missed opportunities the characters had—striking once and fleeing, hiding in predictable spots, dropping improvised weapons too soon—and translate them into tactics that work in real life. Target small, fragile points like eyes, throat, and fingers. Use what’s around you: chairs, bottles, cleaning agents. Make noise, leave DNA, and if disgust helps, weaponize it. Unpredictability can break a predator’s selection process, but nothing is guaranteed, so stack the odds with decisive action.

Underneath the thrills lies a harder truth: trauma shapes people in complex ways. The film humanizes Kevin without excusing violence, and Casey recognizes the scars because she carries her own. That tension—empathy without naivete—fuels a deeper takeaway: prepare your mind now, so your body knows what to do when fear floods your system. If you’re into survival strategy, film analysis, and the messy intersection of psychology and action, this one will stay with you.

If this breakdown got you thinking, follow the show, share it with a friend who loves smart thrillers, and drop a review with your biggest takeaway or question—we’ll feature the best in a future episode.

SPEAKER_00:

Hello, survivors, and welcome to another episode of Will You Survive the Podcast? Today, I uh just for today, I'm Eric, and I'm joined by my co-hosts, Alex. That's me, and TJ. That's me. And I'm in Hedwig. I have Bluthock.

SPEAKER_03:

That's right. Yes, you do.

SPEAKER_00:

So that that that's you know, like if you know, you know. That's from a movie that we watched called Split. Split. Which is an M night Shamalamanaman movie, which uh I uh was highly talking up, and I think I stand by it. I I saw this movie a very long time ago, but I think I stand by it. Uh specifically that I was saying, I think the main actor, James McAvoy, yes, McAvoy. James McAvoy is phenomenal.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, he was pretty legit. He was great. And and really, I just wanted to bring up the fact that if I talk a little higher like this, it really just sounds like uh Mike Tyson. I know the demons, man.

SPEAKER_00:

I was literally gonna say that you're uh you're like slowly morphing into Tyson. So I took no notes on this movie, and I I watched this movie for the first time in years again. I've not the first time, but this is like my fourth time. Wow. This is like my third time ever watching it. So I kind of was like remembering a lot of it as we as I was watching. Um, but yeah, I I honestly I stand by it. I think this movie is incredible. Essentially, uh, do you want to read us the overview of the movie? Sure.

SPEAKER_03:

Though Kevin has evidenced 23 personalities to his trusted psychiatrist, Dr. Fletcher. There remains one still submerged who is set to materialize and dominate all of the others. Compelled to abduct three teenage girls, led by the willful observant Casey, Kevin reaches a war for survival among all of those contained within him, as well as everyone around him, as the walls between his compartments shatter.

SPEAKER_01:

Wrong, he was going for two teenage girls. She just so happened to be there. Did you he was following the two for multiple weeks?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, good point. Do you happen to know do you happen to know the disease name again? Uh DID. Oh, it was Yeah, but what does DID stand for?

SPEAKER_01:

Associative Identity Disorder.

SPEAKER_00:

So that's what he has, except it's kind of a more fantastical version of it. Basically, this movie, well, I mean, the main premise of it is that this guy has multiple personalities, but each personality is like an entirely different version. But this is like exaggerated. Oh yeah, like this is like a supernatural version of it.

SPEAKER_01:

That's like true. Like they'll they're they're called altars, like when you have multiple people, you know? And that's kind of true. I I've I've heard from like from the internet that like some of it's pretty factual, but like a lot of it's fantastical.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, the stuff where it's like um, I'm pretty sure the stuff where it's like, oh, this personality needs insulin and the and the rest of them don't. I I don't think that's that it's that's that's not it's somewhat accurate.

SPEAKER_01:

I because I did watch some videos on it too. It's somewhat-ish like accurate. Like I don't think they would need that.

SPEAKER_00:

I want to preface that we are not doctors. I know nothing really about this. Uh this kind of total guessing, but from what I know, which is kind of a general overview. One of them needed I don't think it's quite like that. Well, I could I could see that kind of thing. That's a thing, I think. But things where it's like this personality has diabetes, but the rest of them don't. Yeah. And this one has high blood pressure, but the rest of them don't. Or like, oh, this one's blind, this one's not. Yeah, well, even that stuff I could kind of see because your brain could be pretty powerful. But the things where it's like you're you're diabetic, that's not really like a brain thing, as much as that's just your body is no longer producing insulin. But I could see something being like, This personality is blind, and your brain is powerful enough to kind of shut that off if it's really messed up. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

At this point, I'm kind of falling. This is relevant. So, Sam, one of our survivors and longtime subscriber, comments very relevant, that can be accurate, where one could hypochondriacish medical issues that others don't.

SPEAKER_00:

See, I could see that.

SPEAKER_03:

I could see one being like a hypochondriac, um, but I also put on that is the brain controls everything in the body. Could the brain now this is a question, not a not a definitive statement. Could the brain control things like the pancreas and say stop producing insulin?

SPEAKER_01:

It can do some crazy shit. Like there's people who like wake up speaking Chinese.

SPEAKER_03:

I've heard that. That's like a brain trauma, and they wake up and they're speaking another language and they don't know that they're speaking another language.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I mean it kind of like there's another movie that kind of touches on this premise. I think it's Lucy with Scarlett Johansson. Great movie.

SPEAKER_03:

She she uh uses some chemical supplement, right?

SPEAKER_01:

There's also like the Morgan Freeman's in it, and he's all like, Yeah, you can use a hundred percent of your brain.

SPEAKER_00:

There's also uh limitless. What a limitless pill would be crazy.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. There's also unbreakable. Never seen that. Okay. No, you should because it's connected to this. Did you know that? Uh to split? Did you know split's a sequel?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it well, isn't there a movie called Mr. Glass?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. So we we can get down to that later. Um, but what I was gonna say is about the DID thing. I was watching some videos with some people who have it, and this one girl was like, See, the craziest thing is that you just kind of wake up in a place you weren't, you just kind of come to the front randomly, and she's like, That's scary. Cause like, what if one of my alters has severe depression and decides to uh off themselves?

SPEAKER_03:

Yep. Now this is completely completely irrelevant to this, but talking about the live, I have no stickers on my live. I have no green screen, but TikTok just told me that my access to green screen and stickers is suspended for a day because I shouldn't be using it while I'm promoting content. They keep fucking restricting me for absolutely no fucking reason. I did a video where I was walking, I was walking and talking and did a um a subscription sticker on my on my post, and they suspended the the subscription sticker saying that it wasn't original content. I'm like, this is fucking bullshit. What are you talking about? This is original. I was talking about code Black the Truth, and they freaking suspended uh like took it off. I appealed, and they're like, nope.

SPEAKER_01:

Listen, I love the Chinese government. I fucking damn. I love Xi Jinping or whatever the fuck the president's name is. I love it. Oh he does like Winnie the Pooh. He's got the strategy. Our supreme leader.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, they've been they've been bought out. Whoa, man. It's official. It's too official.

SPEAKER_00:

Well then fuck that guy.

SPEAKER_03:

It's American, uh, American business is the majority stakeholder. Well screw Xi Jinping.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, fuck that Winnie the Pooh looking ass.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh they just hate us, they just hate us because they ain't us.

SPEAKER_03:

This is American, this is American companies who are restricting us for no fucking reason.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, as they should. No, I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm wearing the damn hat. I'm not I'm moving around and I'm talking, I'm swiveling in the chair so that they don't think that freaking stationary. Yeah, but that's that's you. I'm doing a co-host.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Why would they restrict me for someone else doing it? It's this is just absurd. Well, because it's on your stream. You would think that they would like to do it.

SPEAKER_01:

We should get a sponsor from the people who make our microphones. Let's try that. Sony? Toner. Sony? Is it Sony? No. Uh Fifine. FeeFine. Yeah, no, toner is my last one.

SPEAKER_03:

Guilty by association. I've heard that before. He's with one of them.

SPEAKER_01:

You know what it is?

SPEAKER_03:

You know what it is? TikTok doesn't like them black folk. That's what it is.

SPEAKER_00:

TikTok is is uh that's that's on WYS, maybe well, now that it's an American company, it makes sense.

SPEAKER_01:

Makes a lot of sense, sadly.

SPEAKER_03:

It's it's them black and brown folk. See? So I'm not I guess I'm not showing enough skin to be brown. Your skin color is dependent on how much skin you're showing. Well, because they can't see. I'll just bleach my skin. I that's not a why, TJ, Sam says.

SPEAKER_00:

It is a why. His arm is the long part. Oh, his arm is the leg? Yeah. Yeah, that makes no sense for our audio listeners when we just want to do a ring. Yeah, no, but like hear me out. I know. Like, I know.

SPEAKER_01:

I just wanted to lie. That's the same thing. Yeah, no, no, no, we got it, TJ. TJ's in the middle. TJ, we got it. Do we got it? Y'all are over here talking about some other shit. I'm over here turning through the split. I have no control gear. Dude, I fucking love this movie. I wanted to talk fucking game with this movie. Did you notice before the fucking Wait, TJ?

SPEAKER_03:

TJ.

SPEAKER_00:

I swear to God.

SPEAKER_03:

Clap because we're coming back in after that round.

SPEAKER_00:

No, we're gonna leave it in. We were I'm not gonna stay up that late. That's part of it.

SPEAKER_01:

Did you notice before the therapist noticed that he was not Barry? Yeah. He was Dennis.

SPEAKER_03:

I did not. No.

SPEAKER_01:

So I did not pay attention because Dennis has like he has like a fixation.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh dude! That's what it was. I got a lot of things.

SPEAKER_01:

He was walking around and he was fixing shit. And she was like, Are you looking for something? And he's like, No, I'm just looking around or whatever. But he's literally like adjusting shit on tables and pushing books back in.

SPEAKER_00:

The attention to detail. That was the OCD, right? The attention to detail on the personalities is was was very, very well done.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh yeah, it was the way his face shifts to like but you just pointed out what I completely missed is that vein. I saw it at the very end. Yeah. Dennis always had the vein out. I did not see that in the like earlier when he was in her office. And it was always there. It was it was Barry who was the one who was emailing her when she kept thinking it was Dennis.

SPEAKER_00:

Barry was like the rational same one. Which one was the one who was doing right away? We didn't even see it. In the very first emergency session, when she the very first therapy session where or that we saw, uh where she was like, I don't think I'm talking to Barry. And and he was like, Yeah, you are, and she was like, No, I don't think so. And then she backed off and she was like, Oh, forgive me, I'm just supposed to challenge you. Right. But she clocked it right away. She's like, This isn't this isn't him. Yeah. And she got him to admit it on the on the second one.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and then she noticed when like she went to the dude with the security cameras, and she noticed he walked through the trash instead of walking around it.

SPEAKER_00:

I loved that detail. Right. She was like a normal person would walk around it. He's trying to he put on a show.

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Like, oh, look, I don't mind, I'm not OCD. I don't mind stepping through the trash.

SPEAKER_03:

Which that's another thing that is interesting about the DID that they point out in this, that one character could be so heavily affected by OCD, but not the others, especially not Hedwig.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that see, that's the kind of stuff where I do think that stuff is accurate.

SPEAKER_03:

It makes sense. It's all in the brain.

SPEAKER_00:

That that stuff does seem accurate. It's just the the fantastical stuff in this movie, like the him literally becoming a monster who can bend the bars of a of a zoo cage, um, like not dying from getting shot twice in the chest.

SPEAKER_01:

In the universe, it makes like sense though, because like in real life, there are stories of like moms picking cars off kids, type shit where the brain is. Yeah, but there's nothing to like do stuff, you know?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, but there's not stories of somebody being so crazed that their skin deflects the shp. What? PCP, not deflects, but no, you don't get shot twice by a shotgun and not have any not have any damage. You just have because they just like hit the surface of your skin and they didn't go through. No, nothing gives you iron skin like that. See what I what I was that's fantastical. That's what I was wondering was supernatural the movie.

SPEAKER_03:

Did it actually like so they actually showed that it didn't penetrate his skin?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, at the very end, uh when he's talking in the mirror and all the personalities are swapping rapidly.

SPEAKER_03:

Because I thought he touched and he was like, ow!

SPEAKER_00:

No, no, they they were saying, like, look, didn't even go through.

SPEAKER_03:

Interesting. What if it was just bird shot? That's see, that was what I thought. That was exactly what I thought.

SPEAKER_01:

What if they bought like a really light like case of shells, you know? And just like just point blank is still gonna be.

SPEAKER_03:

For sure. Like and what if it was just saltpeter? It could have been. That could be the only thing.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, it's it would, but but but the only reason I would say no to that is because he clearly had like the the little beads uh in his skin. Like you can see where he got shot.

SPEAKER_03:

Definitely agree that uh that chemalilian. God, now that I said his name? What is his real name? M. Night Shallamelin. Stop! M. Night Shalian. The uh I didn't get it until the end in the credits that it was a supernatural thing when they brought up in the diner there was Bruce Willis, you know. Oh, glass, Mr. Glass.

SPEAKER_01:

But have you seen Unbreakable Alex?

SPEAKER_03:

I did. Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Have you seen the sequel to this, the Mr. Glass? I have not. I haven't either. Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, I think I I thought I thought uh glass came out before this.

SPEAKER_01:

Glass came out after this.

SPEAKER_03:

Did it really? It's okay.

SPEAKER_01:

It's a big like final endgame moment, I guess. Um anyways, I heard it was ass.

SPEAKER_00:

But yeah, I I don't remember hearing anything good about that one.

SPEAKER_01:

Spoiler alert to never mind, it's old. Unbreakable. Okay, right? Okay. Starts off. All right. Main guy, Bruce Willis, he was in a train accident. Yep.

SPEAKER_03:

Only one untouched.

SPEAKER_01:

The main character in split Kevin. Yep. What happened to his father? He left on the train. I I didn't even catch that detail to be honest. That's so Mr. Glass killed his dad. So that's like the connection there. Yeah. So then I guess that's why they like they beef in the the next one. Which the next one isn't really like a survival movie. It's more like a I don't know. I recommend Unbreakable. I recommend this. I don't recommend the next one. Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

So here's a a detail. This is gonna get kind of dark because this movie was a little dark at times. Uh and I don't even know if I want to bring this up. It's uncomfy, but it is, I think, important, especially for for girls. Um when he okay. Um, when he first took one of the girls out of the room and she ran up to the main uh what was the main what was Anya Taylor Joy's character?

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know. That was just Anya Taylor Joy's character. I cannot remember.

SPEAKER_00:

She was she was Casey Cook. One of the girls ran up to Casey as as the uh guy was about to grab her and she said, pee on yourself.

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

And nice little detail there. Uh because I I I I do know about that. I have heard that that's uh a way to deter. Um and it did, it worked. But that's because his OCD seems like ew. So I just thought that was kind of uh I mean it it is unfortunate that that is that's that's a survival tip or a survival podcast. There's a survival tip.

SPEAKER_03:

Here's a a point to the movie here. Mr. Glass is the opposite, his bones shatter versus Bruce, never sick, never injured.

SPEAKER_01:

And that that was like the whole thing with Unbreakable was like Mr. Glass was like looking for his opposite.

SPEAKER_03:

So what confused me was I had thought that Kevin's dad died of a heart attack when his uncle came and was like, um, that was unintelligent.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, you're right, you're right. Oh, that was you're right.

SPEAKER_03:

That was. I'm sorry. It it completely confused me when they did that that flashback. Now it was the end of the movie that I finally understood when uh when uh the beast saw her and saw the marks on her. Now I didn't understand what the marks meant until he had said that uh she was pure of heart. And I was like, oh no wonder what he's doing.

SPEAKER_01:

That's that's because his what his mom did to him. So like there was that little cutaway when she said his full name, um, Kevin, whatever the fuck.

SPEAKER_03:

Kevin Wendell Crum.

SPEAKER_01:

That it like it cut to his mom screaming at him that he like made a mess. And so it's because of that.

SPEAKER_03:

Which seemed valid. That was so dark because the the uh let that go right by. What's that?

SPEAKER_00:

I was gonna let it slip. That's fine. Now I just seem crazy.

SPEAKER_03:

Now I want to know.

SPEAKER_00:

I said, which seems valid. Oh, she's about to beat him with a wire hanger.

SPEAKER_01:

Don't make a mess. I'd like yeah, because of his dad dying, he got left with his abusive mother.

SPEAKER_03:

But that that is what you're saying.

SPEAKER_01:

She wouldn't have been abusive if he didn't make a mess.

SPEAKER_00:

That's what he made me a little confused. Duh.

SPEAKER_03:

And it was so dark. It was so dark at the end when they said uh Kevin is sleeping, he's far away.

SPEAKER_01:

And that's why Dennis is hypochondriac cleaner.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, because his mom kissed that. That's a good connection. Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah. I like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Even nervous. Just standing there in uh just standing there in the doctor's office, he couldn't leave anything uh out of line, out of order.

SPEAKER_00:

Can we talk about the way that the doctor was KO'd? Oh, that was pretty insane. That's out. That seems like a pretty awful way. I also die instantly.

SPEAKER_01:

That's not very fantastical. I I feel like I could squeeze a whole lady.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I I was gonna say that that is like the least uh like supernatural. I think that's a like a realistic way. I could fucking do that. Are you okay?

SPEAKER_03:

At a zoo. At a zoo.

SPEAKER_01:

These are designs for like chaperillas and shit.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm just gonna like about that is it brings forward the thought that we only control a small percent of our brain 10% of the time, right? There's no hundred percent control. The the premise behind this is how much how much more could our bodies do if our brains had full capacity.

SPEAKER_00:

I believe I don't think that was the premise. I think that's the premise of Lucy. I think this movie was just more like, well, maybe, maybe it is a little bit of that.

SPEAKER_01:

They didn't really say that peak human condition, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But it was more just like if we believe it hard enough, it becomes real.

SPEAKER_01:

If we use 100% of our brains, let's call it seizure.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, because we're incapable, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Let's just call seizure. You go ahead and you go ahead and try. We're just one seizure away from our perfect selves. Yeah, guys, go give yourself a no everybody don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

Everybody try it, dude. Go on YouTube, look at the VOD. We're gonna play some flashing lights.

SPEAKER_00:

Let us know what happens when you wake up if you wake up, they'll be okay. They'll they'll wake up and have superpowers.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm this is so if they if they don't wake up, well, they won't be able to unfollow.

SPEAKER_03:

Let me uh that's true. We'll have permanent followers. Yeah, let me take this moment to remind our podcast listeners. Go over to our TikTok shop, check out our merch. We have merch. If you were in the TikTok live, you would see me wearing it right now. We should make an ad hats, sweatshirts, and uh t-shirts. Go check it out.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh our real end-time ads back to the show. Fucking come in and they're our fucking fit is biteproof because it's will you survive merch?

SPEAKER_00:

Wait, they come in and they eat us, but we're like oh my god, they look so good and they're will you survive hoodies. That's how that's how Eric's surviving. I am the zombie. Guys, I'm gonna be honest. We've been having like three different conversations a lot of this tonight. Listen, listen. We skipped a week. It's rough right now. They won't notice, but is there any point in this movie that you want to talk about, Alex?

SPEAKER_03:

Well, I think we we've covered a couple of the the spots that mo intrigued me most was number one, the medical complications between the different patients. Like when when I think that was Hedwig, right, who had diabetes, and he was explaining how could how could it just be multiple personality disorder if I'm the only one who needs this.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't think that was Hedwig. I think that was another personality that we never really met. I think it was a girl too long. Was it Jade? Something like that. It was one of those.

SPEAKER_01:

It's very sassy.

SPEAKER_03:

You know what? Okay, Sam deserves this shout out. Three different conversations is perfect since three different movies. I would say three different conversations is perfect because of all the personalities we are in this movie. Split.

SPEAKER_00:

Um make a we we are Kevin. Make an awful image of the three of our faces combined. I could do that. Please don't. I'll do that. No, please don't. Seriously, please don't. It'll make me disturbed.

SPEAKER_03:

Use Necric. No, we have Hydric.

SPEAKER_01:

It's all of us. Hydric does exist, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

It does exist, yeah, but it's it'll be all my co-workers were obsessed with uh Necrick and Hydric and Jade is the one who is diabetic.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, so we did meet Jade. So I I that was the part that I had a hard time following. I didn't know who was talking all the time. And then it wasn't until TJ just pointed out the difference between Barry and Dennis, the veins.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh yeah, TJ did that.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, was that you? Well, I brought up the veins.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, but you're did I give him your thunder? No, it's okay. I don't I don't I don't think I brought that. Don't even start doing that because I brought up the his face switching when he's like you can you can see which one it is. Like when when she finally realized that it was Dennis and not Barry, you could physically see like the posture change and like his you know? And that's called good acting.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, Jane McGow is a really good actor. Underrated. I think so. Didn't he have a big film recently? Did he? I don't know. I think so.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00:

I think he just had a like pretty recently just did a a big film. Clearly he didn't wasn't that great. I don't think I follow it.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't remember, but I can find out right real quick.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, it was the last movie he was in. Real quick. Last movie he was in would be uh 2025 California Schemin. That wasn't it. Speak no evil. Ah, that one. That one? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

You know who else had a really mid movie? Because he's fucking mid Dwayne Johnson. Box office is not looking good for the smashing machine. You tried really acting and it really didn't work.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, you know what? It looked really good. You are absolutely right. This guy is.

SPEAKER_01:

Nobody wants to go fucking see it though.

SPEAKER_03:

He is a chamel chameleon.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

James McAvoy. He was uh Bill in It Chapter 2.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, in the first time. In the remake. That just blew me away. He's an X-Men First Class. Oh wow. He's in the Chronicles of Narnia.

SPEAKER_01:

I forgot he's fucking mystery tonist.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh he is! Holy crap.

SPEAKER_01:

But why is his name James when there's only one of them?

SPEAKER_00:

Days of Future, yeah. His name should be Jane. I hate that joke. It's so funny. Why do they call him James when there's only one of them?

SPEAKER_01:

Should just be James. Oh yeah. One of my favorite, I literally just watched this the other day. Bro, Wanted, dude? I fucking love Wanted.

SPEAKER_00:

Yo, my favorite Nomeo and Juliet. He was in that one. He was Nomeo. Is that really a favorite of yours? No. Oh. I do like that movie, but I wouldn't say favorite of it.

SPEAKER_03:

Because I think that was you who got he was in Itchy.

SPEAKER_01:

He's in Deadpool 2. Well, yeah, for the split second because he plays the professor.

SPEAKER_03:

So I got I got completely knocked off knocked off guard in this movie because as I was saying, I didn't even know who was talking most of the time. So I was playing catch up the entire movie, trying to figure out who was talking, who who am I listening to.

SPEAKER_00:

So you were like pretty much in the same perspective as um Casey.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

Where you didn't know what the fuck was going on.

SPEAKER_03:

I was trying to to find out who was talking, and I was kind of guessing here and there. Uh the only one that I thought now only because of the movie magic they were playing that ominous music when he was talking to the doctor, and she was like, This isn't Dennis, is it? And he's like, No, it is. This is Dennis. And he's trying to convince her. I was like, okay, well, they're letting me know that there's something wrong here.

SPEAKER_00:

Like this this isn't who You know, I maybe I wouldn't actually catch it, but I think in this specific scene, even if there wasn't music, I think I would have caught it. Because a lot of his behaviors, it it's kind of tricky because it's like one of those situations where someone's like, Oh my god, did you fart? And no matter what you say now, it's gonna seem like you farted. If you're like, no, I didn't fart, everyone's gonna be like, dude, you farted.

SPEAKER_03:

So it's it was kind of like TJ, did you fart? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So? Well, so it's it's kind of like that situation where um she's like, This isn't this isn't Barry, is it? And it's so it's like no matter what you say at that point, kind of seems like maybe you're trapped in a corner where it's like, well, now no matter what I say, you're you're not gonna believe me. Right. But his whole like um, look, look, I'll I'll do this. I'll I'll prove I'll prove that I'm Barry. Look, look, see, see Barry would do that. Like it was very much like you're trying too hard.

SPEAKER_03:

But it was it was at that point that I finally caught on. She had already told us, like, I believed the doctor knew who she was talking to.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah, because at that point we had only seen like two of his personalities, so we had no idea.

SPEAKER_03:

When you're when you're watching it and you see this guy doing this performance, I had no clue. Like, there was no context clue for why she was telling him, This isn't Dennis, is it? Yeah. And he's like, Why would you say that?

SPEAKER_00:

You know what's crazy? He is an actor portraying a character pretending to be another character, right? Right. Fucking awesome. That's a lot of thought all the way through. That's why I'm I that's why I seriously think like he was a big thing.

SPEAKER_01:

This was almost a comeback for Mr. M Knight.

SPEAKER_00:

Did he win, did uh James McAvoy win any awards for this movie? Because I feel like he should have won something for this movie. Um like besides the the ending being just a little bit like fantastical, supernatural, kind of silly, but the the rest of the movie, his entire his acting it is just fucking phenomenal. That's crazy. Yeah, I feel like he should have won an Oscar or something for that.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

That was a crazy good performance. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03:

So um he won a he was only nominated for the Teen Choice Awards.

SPEAKER_00:

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03:

Choice movie villain.

SPEAKER_00:

Because the this acting is insane. The the amount of thought, like you said, the the thought in each character, in each uh personality, because he still has to be Kevin, but he's also all these personalities within Kevin. Yeah. And he really portrays that struggle and that fight between all of them and then how different they all are. With the little things like just Hedwood's, etc. Yeah. It is so indicative of Hedwig. You know who you're talking to.

SPEAKER_03:

See, the the I would say this is one of those movies that left me with an eerie, unsettling feeling when the police officer came to Casey at the end and said, Your uncle's here, and she just sat in the back of the car. It was like you felt like she was going from one cage to another.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. She was like I guess. Yeah, that's why she at the beginning like was trying her hardest not to get picked up. She's just like, I'll take the bus.

SPEAKER_00:

The uh the whatchamacallit, um oh the the stare. The stare that she was giving that officer was very much like like I just survived this. And now you're sending me through this and now I I'm going basically into the same situation. Um it kind of I don't know I would like to think that she fought at that point and said something, but I mean can I also think that maybe M.

SPEAKER_01:

Making uncles the fucking weird fuckers, please?

SPEAKER_00:

It's easy, just like it's so easy, just like uh Russians are the bad guys. It's such a trope. I would like to think that she said something and kind of broke that cycle, but I also kind of think that M. Knight Shyamalan was like he I I think he wanted to portray that whole leaving one prison into the other kind of thing. I think she should be able to do it. Where it was like where she has hope and then it it's just kind of crushed.

SPEAKER_03:

I think Sam already said she does. Yeah. But you're you already said we're not covering the next one.

SPEAKER_01:

That's up to you guys. I'm not gonna do it, but I mean it's not really like a survival movie. You know, like unbreakable isn't either. Like I really want to watch Unbreakable, but it's more of like a superhero movie.

SPEAKER_03:

Which that also leads me to the uh number one, I I would question the effectiveness of such an agent that he was using. Oh yeah. That what is that? He could just simply put on a dust mask and didn't even seal it to his nose. Right. And then when he hit the doctor with it, he just covered his face with a cloth. Like that's not what is that? That's not like um it's not chloroform.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe it's something for animals because he worked at a zoo.

SPEAKER_03:

Could be. Oh, maybe. Could be, but I'm I'm still curious as well.

SPEAKER_01:

Like an aerosol can too, so it must be like a mass produced.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Cause I'm thinking like there's halt spray, which I have, but it that's basically like temporary pepper spray. That's it. It's not it doesn't knock people out.

SPEAKER_03:

Back makes you back up, you know. And so that was one of the beefs I had with uh that beginning scene. And two was why it took her so long to get out of the car.

SPEAKER_00:

It seemed like Oh my for real. She still could have got out, even once he noticed, she had like a full 30 seconds.

SPEAKER_03:

And it was like my my beef with it is you guys all I've already said this on the podcast many times. In a kidnapping situation, never let it get past step one. Yeah, it's never gonna get better than right at that moment. I mean, those poor girls, they didn't survive the uh the kidnapping.

SPEAKER_01:

Don't let yourself get taken to the second location.

SPEAKER_03:

Don't let yourself get taken. It's it's not gonna get there are worse things than death.

SPEAKER_01:

Fight, don't be nice, be rude.

SPEAKER_03:

They had the right idea after.

SPEAKER_01:

Fight dirty.

SPEAKER_03:

And and I would suspect, I mean, this is a good wake-up call to somebody points a spray bottle at you, uh, you're probably gonna need to hold your breath right away. Yeah. What would the effect? Pocket fent.

SPEAKER_01:

What? Yeah, dust right in their eyes. You you put it in a pipe, you you light it, you stick in their mouth. What are you gonna do now? Rendered useless. Rendered useless, Batman. No, and now you lean. Next movie in the sequel, I'll get lean.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00:

Another Hollywood celebrity lost a drug addiction.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh my god. James McAlvoy leaning. And he has blue skin.

SPEAKER_00:

Another celebrity roaming the streets of Los Santos.

SPEAKER_01:

Los Santos is crazy.

SPEAKER_00:

Um yeah. I mean, I I I agree. Never let it get past uh the initial location, never go to a second location. Um fight dirty. I mean, go for the eyes, go for the floor. Go for go for the nuts, go for everything weak, go for bite. Chicks can kidnap too. Punch that bitch in the boob. Hard. Hard as fuck. Punch a guy in the in the balls really hard.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, all it takes is a flick and I want to throw up. So imagine just full on dick twist.

SPEAKER_00:

Also, full punch throat or throat punch. Oh yeah. Throat punch.

SPEAKER_01:

Right in the throat.

SPEAKER_00:

Get someone in the jugular real good, that's pretty uh incapacitating.

SPEAKER_03:

There's there's methods that people should always consider is if you're up against an opponent that's much bigger than you, don't try to take on the opponent. Take on an element of him that's smaller than you. His eyes, his nose, his pinky, his thumb, whatever you can do.

SPEAKER_00:

Be relentless.

SPEAKER_03:

Go yeah, go after it with all of your might. And you know what's the what's the um what's the effectiveness of the assailant if you have broken all of their fingers? Uh what what are they able to do at that point? But don't think that it's gonna get better. I'm not suggesting that if somebody's trying to kidnap you on the sidewalk, that you are going to necessarily walk away from that. But my advice to my wife, I tell her, in regards to my kids, I can deal with the knowledge of somebody unaliving her on the sidewalk, taking her and holding her without knowing where she is, if she's still alive, if they're doing unspeakable things to her and my kids. That I can't handle. So don't don't let it get past step one. You do whatever it takes to preserve your freedom.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, God forbid. Leave evidence that leave evidence on them, scratch so you get them under your nails. That's right. Fuck it, do whatever you gotta do. Also piss and shit yourself. That'll help.

SPEAKER_03:

That one too. Get them busted, you know. Protect the next, they're gonna be a little bit more. No full fucking rabbit mode, you won't be their last.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I mean, like yeah, 100%. Full rabid mode. Just go, don't hold anything back.

SPEAKER_01:

Like you think a dude would want to take you if you shit yourself and then reach in your pants and smear it on his forehead? I don't think he would.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you got I I have heard of outcrazing crazy. Yeah. That tends to repel them.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I should have uh I should have Corinne on the podcast.

SPEAKER_01:

Did you guys think that's something that they taught her in Corinne uh demonstrate your poop smear method?

SPEAKER_03:

No, it was actually a um it was a a person they had in her understanding human sexuality class when she was back in college, and they had a uh SA survivor who went to colleges and was talking about exactly what you just said, how crazy they're crazy. Um typically, statistically speaking, SARs don't want someone who's crazy, right? There's that uh there's that R strength, right? But as there the uh example that she gave, she's walking to her car from this lecture, and on her way to the car, there was somebody who was walking behind her, like following her, she thought. She started talking to herself, she started uh rambling, she started screaming. Start acting like Kevin. Exactly. She started acting like erratic and insane, and the person who was following her happened to be from the class that she had just taught, and was like, I am so, you know, I the I was in the class that you were just in, and I'm parked like past where you are. And she was like, Look, you know, in the next class, look, I'd rather look like a fool than be caught unawares and the worst happened.

SPEAKER_00:

She's like, Look, it works. And the per the the perfectly normal guy going like, Holy shit, this chick is weird.

SPEAKER_03:

And and that's exactly what the uh what the attacker would do, the assaulter would think the same thing. This person's crazy. I'm not gonna watch it. That's exactly right. Or or or a survivor, you know? Yeah. Uh where we use the term in a different in a different uh capacity, and we want you all to survive, but uh better to be safe than to be an SA survivor. So act crazy. Yeah. Out crazy, they're crazy.

SPEAKER_01:

Never fail.

SPEAKER_03:

That's a good one.

SPEAKER_01:

The peak. Actually, don't take my word for it. It might they might be into that. I'm gonna be 100%. They come back. Nothing's a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_00:

You said it would work.

SPEAKER_03:

Nothing's a hundred percent, but it's it's statistical probabilities are in your favor if you do all of that. But this was uh this was a dark episode from the this movie. I had no idea this movie even existed, and then I was completely ignorant that it was a part of Unbreakable.

SPEAKER_00:

So what's your uh your rating of this movie?

SPEAKER_03:

Out of five or out of ten?

SPEAKER_00:

Out of ten.

SPEAKER_03:

Out of ten, I'm gonna give this a solid six for the whole the whole shenanigans. Uh the things that I docked points for. I wasn't a I wasn't a fan of the cinematography. I wasn't a fan of the sound. Uh but as if we go just directly into the movie, I'm gonna give M knight Chameleon uh like an eight out of ten for that story, because that was insane, pun intended.

SPEAKER_00:

Honestly, I I I I agree kinda. I would say that I I actually did I didn't mind the cinematography of the audio, but I would say that the the writers uh and the the people who wrote the character the character development or like the the characters and then along with James McAvoy, just that character, whoever was a part of the creative process to come up with all the details of of Kevin is it deserving of a lot of awards because that was a crazy very crazy interesting character to to learn about thinking of sh like discovering shit about you know like how every character fucking the reason Dennis is a fucking you know OCD.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, because of his uh yeah now I will say this something that he did very well that I hate him for. I I love the movie for this, but I hate Chameleon for doing this. He did a fantastic job of humanizing Kevin, making him a real human being that perhaps you could even say he was a product of his of his upbringing, he had to survive what he was going through, and he was created into this monster, if you will, just trying to survive. Yeah, I mean you and I loved and hated that.

SPEAKER_00:

I I love that towards the end before the beast comes out the second time, um, when he he tells her, like, once he realizes like, oh, this got out of hand, I'm not in control anymore. That he told her, like, here's where my pew is, here's where the shells are um get it and me. Like clear because he would he realized at that point, like, I have no control, I can't stand it.

SPEAKER_03:

They took him over right away again.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Um, oh, something I wanted to bring up really quick. The girl hiding in the in the uh locker. I don't think that's ever a good idea. I think you just keep running. Yeah. Because if he knows you're not running anymore, you gotta be somewhere. Right. So I I just I don't see the point in hiding. Uh I would say the same thing.

SPEAKER_01:

They way too they tried way too late to get out of those rooms.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I agree.

SPEAKER_01:

You should have immediately started searching for shit to be able to get out.

SPEAKER_00:

Also, when they were in the kitchen, could have easily just killed him.

SPEAKER_03:

I you I think that that was the uh the trauma response. They were too afraid to try the things that would actually work.

SPEAKER_00:

Like, but it's so frustrating because like it was because uh for like the last like 40 minutes of the movie before that, those two girls are like, we have to do it, we have to go crazy, we have to do everything, and then smack him in the back with a chair and then run away. Right, keep smacking, right?

SPEAKER_03:

Smack him in the back when and then hit him with the knife.

SPEAKER_00:

When what's her face? Um uh Casey was in the bedroom with Hedwig and he came at her with the bat and she got the bat away from him. Grab the bat, don't stop hitting. Right. Like there was a couple times where I'm like, you could have you could have gone out. Right. That was your opportunity right there.

SPEAKER_03:

I agree. Uh they but I I know they, you know, Chameleon did that on purpose. Yeah, I mean, so we wanted us to feel that anxiety of like uh you know, running, but running in your sleep, you know, your sheets are trapped around your legs and you just can't run.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I would say that what's his face? Uh Kevin had a a little bit of plot armor. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

For sure.

SPEAKER_00:

As you know, not counting the ending of the Bullets Don't Hurt Me Anymore. Yeah, I would agree. I would agree.

SPEAKER_01:

Not even counting that. Also, was bro playing like what what was bro's situation? They just let him sleep and live under the goddamn zoo.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know. Uh maybe they didn't know he was there.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I would imagine they didn't know. Do you guys notice the 23 toothbrushes? Yeah. That was a cool little detail. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

The maintenance room is down there.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. So they knew that. Well, I wonder if this was like I wonder if there was like old abandoned part of it that they're like, ah, we never go down there. That seems silly. Like that would not actually exist.

SPEAKER_03:

I mean, it did, but it didn't by the by the uh guard's reaction. Like for a minute, you you're bringing up something. I wish I I remembered this earlier. You're bringing up something that hit me hard. I thought the security guard was in on it. I was like, was this guy like the mentor for Kevin? Yeah, you know, but he was like, What are you doing down here? And he like walks her out. I'm like, What? Who is this guy? Uh was he the one that that she was talking to on the walkie-talkie? Because like when he tells Oh, maybe when he tells the other guard and the other guard like freaked out, I was like, Were these the fucking idiots that she was talking to? Yeah. He's like, I don't know where we are.

SPEAKER_00:

I think the beach is. She was talking to the the black guy in the in the right, she was so talking to him because when he realized he was like, Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_03:

Like but they didn't expand on that. Like, I I really wanted them to expound on it and tell me what but you're so well, I think they gave us enough.

SPEAKER_00:

You're so right. That is a hundred percent who she was talking to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Um, I would give this a probably eight out of ten, just for I would give it an eight, yeah. A great movie. Um, what else was I gonna say? Oh, the reason the beast is the beast is because he's in a zoo, and that's what it's based off the animals he's seen there.

SPEAKER_03:

Once again, Sam's clutch I got from it. I think I think Casey had a love-hate understanding of him, probably noticed trauma responses in him, which is a big reason why he wouldn't do why she wouldn't do serious damage to him. And then she tells us that you see more examples of this in Mr. Glass.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, but I'm not even talking about Casey. Like one of the other girls had had an opportunity.

SPEAKER_03:

That was that was the the overall. We wished that one of them would have taken the uh taken the attack to him. Like they were saying that they would, but well, even when they did, they like hit him and ran. Right. He could have sprayed him in his eyes.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, like he was already he was down.

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Keep going.

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

So's not gonna survive bleach to the eyes. Well, he'll survive. Anyways, he'll he might go blind. I think he'll split off again and then not be blind, though.

SPEAKER_00:

I think this was a really good movie. Um, again, I think uh James McAvoy deserved awards for this movie. I think the acting was phenomenal. Um also Anya Taylor Joy, great actress, love her. Uh before the Queen's Gambit. Yep. She was she used to be a chameleon.

SPEAKER_03:

Yep.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh, but yeah, I think this was a great movie. Uh let's see. I wasn't keeping track of points or anything. Um, but it's okay. I don't think we even like halfway do that anymore. Nah, it's a vibe. It's a vibe.

SPEAKER_01:

I kind of do.

SPEAKER_00:

It's just a vibe. Alex, you want to give uh our socials?

SPEAKER_03:

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SPEAKER_00:

All right, thank you for that. For the winner. Uh that's my drum. Oh. That's my drum roll. Alex! I'm gonna give you the win today. Mostly because you're all decked out on will you survive merch, and we now have merch. We have merch! Uh, so go check out our merch on our TikTok shore uh store. Go pick up a hoodie rigged. Go pick up a hoodie. Hide yourself merch up. Yeah, well, Alex is literally a walking sponsorship. I am. Uh so I'm gonna go ahead and give you the win so that you can lead us into the next episode. Um, but thank you boys for joining me on this uh movie. I hope you guys liked the movie. Loved it. It's a it's a good one. I really like it. Um, and until next time, stay alive.

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