Will You Survive... The Podcast
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Will You Survive... The Podcast
Will You Survive "The Purge": Family Betrayals and Bloody Survival
A seemingly impenetrable fortress, a wealthy family, and the annual night when all crime becomes legal—what could possibly go wrong? The answer: everything, when your teenagers decide to sabotage your carefully constructed safety plan.
The 2013 film "The Purge" introduced audiences to a disturbing vision of America where one night each year, citizens can commit any crime without consequences. For security system salesman James Sandin, this yearly event has been a lucrative opportunity to protect his gated community with steel shutters and surveillance—until his son's compassion and daughter's deception unleash chaos within their own walls.
As we dissect this claustrophobic thriller, we explore why the most dangerous threats often come from within. Why do both Sandin children betray their father's authority during the most dangerous night of the year? How could a security expert fail to implement basic defensive measures like safe rooms or outdoor traps? And perhaps most troubling—what kind of society could possibly function with an annual purge of violence that disproportionately impacts the poor?
Beyond the home invasion drama, we examine the logical flaws and missed opportunities in the film's premise. If you steal someone's car or house during the Purge, is it legally yours afterward? Would insurance companies cover Purge-related damages? And most importantly, how could anyone possibly live peacefully next door to neighbors who just attempted to slaughter their family hours earlier?
Whether you're a horror fan, social commentator, or just wondering how you'd survive when all law breaks down, this episode delivers both laughs and serious reflection on human nature when all restraints are removed. Join us for a survival plan that includes minefields, proper wall reinforcements, and the world's most awkward post-Purge neighborhood barbecue conversation.
Hello survivors and welcome to another episode of Will you Survive.
Speaker 2:The Podcast.
Speaker 1:I am Eric. I am your host today, and we are joined by my fellow purgers Alex that's me and TJ.
Speaker 2:Blessed be our new founding fathers. Nice, good call.
Speaker 4:Good call.
Speaker 2:A nation reborn, a podcast reborn, oh.
Speaker 4:That was the alarm. A podcast reborn. I'm sure, that was really loud. Eric, you're fired. No, I'm not, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3:Too real, too real. Somebody walks into the room behind you you, kicks you out of your chair.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:Well, this episode I actually have a fun little twist that I haven't read any of these so I have no idea how this conversation is going to go. But our number one fan, official josh, was messaging me earlier today, okay, um, and was saying that he had quite the opinions about this movie. He shared some briefly that I wouldn't 100% agree with. And then I told him I was like, hey, you should send me a list and we'll do like a Josh's thoughts segment. But then he sent me a lot and I was like, well, I guess we're just doing a whole episode on josh, so I'm totally stealing josh's thoughts here, okay, and we're going to discuss all of his thoughts about this movie so for those of you who don't know, because you live under a rock you know this was from 2013.
Speaker 4:It was so recent. How scary is that? In an america wracked by crime and overcrowded prisons, the government has sanctioned an annual 12-hour period in which any and all criminal activity, including murder, becomes legal. Yeah, the police can't be called hospitals. Suspend help. It's one night when the citizenry regulates itself without thought of punishment. On this night, plagued by violence and an epidemic of crime, one family wrestles with the decisions of who they will become when a stranger comes knocking. When an intruder breaks into James Sandin's gated community during the yearly lockdown, he begins a sequence of events that threatens to tear a family apart. Now it's up to James, his wife Mary and their kids to make it through the night without turning into the monsters from whom they hide. Purge, purge, purge, purge.
Speaker 2:That's nice I was trying something new. What?
Speaker 3:is it Michael.
Speaker 2:Myers Podcast Reborn? I don't know.
Speaker 1:So let's get to it.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:His first gripe, charlie undermines his father for no good reason. He says what he did. Charlie lets a complete stranger into the house during the purge, the most dangerous night of the year, because he quote feels bad for him. Yep, he said why it's stupid. He doesn't even try to ask his parents or think through the risk. It's a childish, emotional, impulsive move that nearly gets everyone killed. And then he says how it's a betrayal. He flat out overrides his father's decision and disables the entire security system from the inside. That's not just disobedience, it's sabotage.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I agree, I think both of his kids suck.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I hated literally all of them. I cannot believe. The entire family I hated them.
Speaker 1:Well, the mother, I think, was fine.
Speaker 2:She was fine at the end, but she didn't do much.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think they all thought they wouldn't have to do much.
Speaker 2:I think the mother was the best one. Who the mother? I have a problem with the mother. What they wouldn't have to do much, no. So I think the dad was ready to like fight for his family.
Speaker 4:You know I have a problem with the mother, so what? She's helping james by impaling the guy while he's trying to get him in the chair and then, after james gets him in the chair, she's like look at what you've done, like bitch, really well no, she said, look at what, what? Look at what you've done, like bitch really.
Speaker 1:Well no, she said look at what, what?
Speaker 2:look at what we're doing yeah, what have we become? What have we become?
Speaker 1:And I, I agree with her, she and I. I mean, if you're going to have that moment of of like realizing what you're doing and she made him change his mind, she best character, I think the dad kind of went a little crazy, but I think he had very valid reasons. He got betrayed by both of his kids, yeah, and then just wanted to try and save his family. It was a stranger's life, or his family's, so I think he made a valid choice.
Speaker 2:The daughter she didn't feel that gun on him. They were all up in bed making out for real.
Speaker 4:I mean, she wasn't touching butt, she wasn't touching back she's like is that a, a Glock in your pocket, or are you just happy to see?
Speaker 1:me, yeah, yeah. So, speaking of the daughter, josh's second gripe, zoe endangers everyone with her creepy older boyfriend. Yep, what she did? She hides her much older boyfriend in her room without telling anyone, knowing full well that tensions exist between him and her father. I will say she actually did not know he was going to be there.
Speaker 2:He snuck in and that was a whole big thing. She kept it a secret, though.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. He says Wyatt's stupid. He literally tries to kill James during the purge. His plan was to talk to him by pulling a gun. What did she think was gonna happen? Uh, how it's a betrayal. Zoe allowed a ticking time bomb into the house on purge night. If your family locks down to avoid murders, maybe don't hide one in your room. You didn't know he was a murderer also.
Speaker 2:I feel like her. She's, she's a dumb teenager. Uh, first thing I caught on to I haven't seen this since it came out. Uh, the way I caught on to bro being a bad dude is she was like I love you and he was just like let's not do that.
Speaker 4:We got to say something different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, shut the fuck up, just say it back. And he didn't. I was just like, yeah, no, he's not in it for her.
Speaker 4:Why don't we grr at each other? Although I did think that what she said was ridiculous. It's like did you look ridiculous? Do you have any idea how ridiculous we all looked as teenagers?
Speaker 2:but yeah, oh, absolutely. She definitely put the fucking family in danger doing that shit, so absolutely did here's what I'll say about her, in my opinion.
Speaker 1:um, when the boyfriend got shot, I don't see a world where, after he pulled a gun on my dad, that I would ever care after that. So to me it's even bizarre that she was like oh my God, are you OK? I can't believe what happened, like, why did you do?
Speaker 4:that. Why did you do that?
Speaker 1:I don't think there's any part of me like at that point, you just shot at my dad, yeah, what? Like yeah, that's kind of the point where she should have realized I've been betrayed, yeah, and I thought I what I was worried about was that, because I didn't remember the movie that well, when james first walked into her room and saw her boyfriend dead on the ground, yeah I thought that for like a brief second.
Speaker 1:The way the camera was set up, it kind of made it seem like she was going to come in behind him and like hit her dad or something or do something stupid. She didn't, but that was just kind of like the camera angles that it made me feel that way. But I'm glad that when she came in contact with her family then at the next point she immediately was like I'm so sorry, I didn't know he was gonna do that like is dad.
Speaker 1:Okay, that was her first concern after that and I think that that redeemed her a little bit.
Speaker 4:In my mind, the reason why I didn't redeem her to me was because she waited until after henry was expired yeah that was like okay. Now you come and ask if everything's okay and the her and the boyfriend are the entire plot weaponry, like without them, the homeless dude never gets away from the family and and, frankly speaking, uh, how big is this house that they everybody was able to hide like pretty damn big house, but so this is like one of those yeah and a new addition.
Speaker 1:You didn't, you didn't see it is beautiful this is like one of those houses in like a video game, where you're like the functionality of this. This is just non-existent.
Speaker 2:Why do you need that big of a house, though?
Speaker 4:Also, I mean there are four of you, I'm I'm talking about the lunacy of this house, but we got to get further in so I can complain about some later things.
Speaker 1:Do you have anything else to say about that? Tj.
Speaker 2:I was just going to say like I think that was decent writing to make you know the audience think that you know, oh, her allegiances might just lie with her boyfriend instead of her family, you know. So, like when he did walk in there and you're like, oh, for a second I thought she was going to murk them.
Speaker 1:Cause the same thing.
Speaker 2:But I was, I was worried, I was like, no, don't do, don't do it, like don't be stupid. I think the fact that they, they, they play it off like the way they, did.
Speaker 4:It's like you thought the daughter was gonna work I thought the daughter, I kind of like to kill the dad.
Speaker 1:I didn't trust her yeah, well, like, like I said, when he found henry on the ground, the way the camera was set up was like she was gonna come out of nowhere from behind, like smack him with a baseball bat or something.
Speaker 4:I thought she had his gun and she was going to blast.
Speaker 1:I didn't think she was going to actually do it. But I thought she was going to do something stupid. She was going to hold it up to his head or something. But I'm glad she did it and that's why the second she found her family she was like I can't believe you did that. I'm so sorry, is dad okay? Like that, that was what she cared about. It was like okay. At that point she'd already like she was like fuck that guy, I can't believe he yeah, but why you ran off with him is is beyond me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think like if you shoot at my dad you're lucky, I don't kill you like you're lucky, I don't.
Speaker 4:I don't finish you off and you know, I'll tell you one of the funnier things, the contradiction of this it's and I realized that the two movies are 180 degrees. If if there was a further way to represent that, I would say it. But there's an old movie 90s. I hate saying that it's an old movie that's three years ago.
Speaker 4:Brendan frazier, get over it, I know brendan frazier and alicia silverstone, called blast from the past. There's a funny moment where the son, uh, meets his dad. Christopher walken, brendan fraser, was the son. He meets his dad and tells him you know, I need you to trust me, I'm gonna go back out and his dad's saying like why, what do you mean? He goes, look, I, I need you to trust me, without understanding, and the dad says, well, I mean, if that's what you need, then of course you got it.
Speaker 4:It's like it's fantastic to see the complete polar opposite, where the kid, the son who betrayed the family, had absolutely no trust in his dad whatsoever, to say I can't open this, even if it was to go and ask his dad to go and get his dad and say, hey, this guy is outside begging for help, what should we do? He didn't give any kind of credit to his dad at all, he just opened the freaking. So I completely agree. Betrayal couldn't stand him. Daughter, absolute betrayal should have been far more uh, transparent to dad hey, this guy's still here. Um, that kind of, I think that kind of would have revealed his motive if she would have gotten up and been like I'm out.
Speaker 4:But I guess maybe his plans, as nefarious as they were, weren't as well concocted as I was giving him credit for. Okay, Because I'm kind of thinking maybe his thought was oh, if I unalive.
Speaker 1:James during the purge. I can't go to jail and her and I will live happily ever after.
Speaker 4:Maybe it was that stupid.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, instead of like insidious, yeah I, I was kind of thinking the same thing, like does he actually love her, or and is he just that stupid, or was this always about just killing her dad?
Speaker 2:I feel like you know yeah, killing, yeah, you think so. Yeah, I would like to bring up a point that, okay, nerdy vet said, but I also thought, bro, the dad is a, he sells security systems. Yep, why wouldn't he put the maximum security on his house? He did Fucking, did not.
Speaker 1:It took one truck, I think. Well, he was saying, like the systems that they sold were not designed to actually have someone trying to break in. It was more to deter, because he was saying everything which this kind of goes to something you've said before, alex, that everything can be broken into. It's just a matter of time and pressure, and so these weren't really designed to actually be an impenetrable fortress. It was just designed to look strong enough that people are like I'd rather go for an easier target, so that was the idea of it.
Speaker 2:But if someone really wanted to get in, they can get in In a world where people are murdering people. On this one day I would take the utmost precaution in like making sure my family was good, like I would have at least. Like, oh, that security system can be on the house, right, you know it's not impenetrable but whatever. But also, can we have a fucking safe room or something?
Speaker 3:right like give us some like 10 foot, freaking thick steel.
Speaker 4:You know, where are the traps? Can I piggyback on you? Where are the traps? Where are the traps? Can I piggyback on you a little bit, tj.
Speaker 1:Where are the traps outside?
Speaker 4:That would have sold a lot Something you said, like he's the one who is selling these security systems.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:One of the things that bothered me about these steel plates that they have. They were clearly bulletproof. They were. You're not going to shoot through it with ordinary weaponry, that's all fine, all great. Where with ordinary weaponry? That's all fine, all great. Where I had a problem was the simplicity of the steel plating. It costs nothing in comparison to the steel plates to have the plates embedded in the ground.
Speaker 2:So if it were to go into a groove, there is no way some freaking pickup truck is gonna pull yeah, if the thing down if it went down, and then there was like a slot for it to go into, exactly, yeah, you're talking about the, the price would have been.
Speaker 4:And when you're talking about the size of those steel plates, how many of them there are around this house and all of the windows that to do a little tongue and groove in the, the perimeter, for all of these it would have been all of the difference in the world and there would have been no way you would just back a truck up Now you could still get through. But what I've said about security good security keeps honest people honest. With enough time and pressure, a bad person can get into anything. So this part's true. However, this is a timeline, isn't it? Is it? Is it 24 hours, or was it only 12 hours?
Speaker 2:hours. It was 12. Right, it was at sunset and then it was sunrise. Once the light comes out, that's what it said I thought they were.
Speaker 4:I thought the whole premise was 24 hours, but they confused the heck out of me 24 hours, so way too long. I get that but 12 hours to tunnel under a house. That clearly comes from people who have never dug a hole yeah, you don't have time for that. I mean like yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, you could get construction equipment. I guess Now hold on With construction equipment.
Speaker 4:you're sitting there in a steel-plated house that he clearly has slots and he has guns. You pick off drivers, which is why I don't understand why they didn't pick off the drivers who were coming up trying to take their steel gates down.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, truth be told, they weren't like well actually, I will say the dad fought like hell. He did Holy crap oh yeah, I wasn't expecting any fight from him.
Speaker 2:I was literally thinking so that was crazy, Like why don't we have Ethan Hawke fucking like John Wick type movie? Bro, he was pulling some fucking hard shit.
Speaker 1:He was killing it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean he. I see what you did there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Pun intended, he won a 2v1. He did Like that's crazy and if it wasn't for that slimy little slink he would have been fine.
Speaker 2:He's a sneaky snake, he's so sneaky.
Speaker 1:That leads to Josh's third point. Both kids make James look like a clueless, ineffective dad. Yep, the dynamic James spends all of this money on a fortress-like home and acts like he has control, but his kids completely ignore his authority and wreck all of it. The irony he sells security systems for a living but can't even secure his own home for his own children. Literally, or from his own children, he says. The result he ends up dying because of the chain of events that his kids set in motion, his trust and efforts to protect his family, all undone by them. Final result the betrayal directly leads to his death.
Speaker 1:If Charlie hadn't opened the door, if Zoe hadn't hidden her boyfriend, if they had just listened to their parents for one night, the dad would still be alive. How to fix it in the story? He said give the kids more. So I don't necessarily agree with this stuff, but we'll see. I'm gonna read it. He said give the kids more depth. Show that they've been emotionally or morally conflicted about the purge system for a long time. I kind of think they did, yeah no, the sun was definitely like.
Speaker 2:They really showed that about it.
Speaker 1:Neither of them like. Neither of them wanted to eat dinner because they were like this is just, this is not a good night and their and their parents are like, oh well, you know it's, it's important. Um, it's important maybe make charlie part of an underground anti-purge hacker group instead of just a kid who felt bad. But I kind of think a kid who felt bad makes the most sense, because kids aren't usually thinking super in-depth and with multiple layers. It's very simplistic A guy was crying out for help, he was desperate because he was dying, and a kid felt bad. Yep, I could definitely see that happening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, kids are. You raise them the way that they like you know like kids don't just become inherently a way that they are. They're usually like more compassionate for like things.
Speaker 1:You know. So it can make sense. Passionate for like things you know. So yeah, it makes sense that, um, then he says let zoe's boyfriend be a more sympathetic character or show that she didn't know he had a weapon. But I think she also kind of did that. I think she said like she didn't know or she didn't know, he had a weapon yeah, she didn't know he had a gun, um, but her hiding him was stupid.
Speaker 1:Uh, he said. Instead, they're just careless and rebellious in the dumbest, most dangerous way possible and their dad pays the ultimate price. I do agree with that. So, yeah, that sucks. The guy died knowing that both of his kids betrayed him. Right, that's pretty awful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but also, why the fuck do they have access to the security system?
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:The Purge Day security system. Like yeah, I get, like I'll give'll give him a code to like turn off the alarm, type shit, but like the security system dog yeah, exactly and it's like yeah I can't believe.
Speaker 1:I agree. Why did he have the code I? You know I thought about that when he put it in. I was like my mom wanted to give him the code, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, like dude and then like again why the fuck would you not make your house more secure? You know it's so stupid, like just a little bit of thermite you could get through that shit. I can't believe there was no traps. No, no, yeah that. That was a point that you brought up, like where's the traps at? Where's the turrets on the roof?
Speaker 1:yeah, I think like to defend the outside. I think it would make sense that you would have like. The first thing I thought is when they attach chains to the door, where's the shock trap, something, something like a metal on metal. Shock the shit out of like yeah I played siege have something in in the, in the, in the porch area, that you can drop if somebody's sitting on your front door yeah, they could have killed him right away do something.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it is crazy to me that they had no traps outside to defend themselves so in in this particular story um the bloody stranger we're not really told a whole lot, but in the later movies it says he had some like military background and um he becomes more important in uh purge election day yeah, he because he like he shows back up and he has like a whole, like militia group yeah, he's big on the.
Speaker 4:Uh, he's on the anti-purge. Yeah would you. I guess you would call it resistance. That's what I that was looking for Anti-purge resistance.
Speaker 1:Speaking of election day, I've never seen any of the other purges, but do you think that if the purge were a real thing, do you think that people would follow that rule where it said there's certain government officials that are immune, I mean like and do you think it would be provable?
Speaker 2:that somebody? I don't think people would follow that rule because like I don't think so. You're walking around with a gun and nobody would bat an eye type shit so like yeah, right, but I mean theoretically.
Speaker 1:Those people would be like hidden away in safe houses, like bunkers and whatnot.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but I mean, let's be real, If it was really that crazy, how many people in the country do you think would say nope, I'm going straight for you.
Speaker 1:Straight for the president, yeah.
Speaker 4:Only because you say you're so special you don't have to be.
Speaker 1:I'm going to form alliances, yeah, there would definitely be a huge group of people. So we briefly said before we started recording that if we got all of the survivors from Will you Survive together, we could survive the purge. Who would betray? Who would be the first? You, me, yeah. No I would be the betrayed.
Speaker 4:TJ would screw us both.
Speaker 2:I would definitely not, motherfucker. I would be locked in by myself somewhere you would not find me. Nobody is checking. Like rural Nebraska Bitch, I'll be on the next flight the day before in a fucking hut just chilling. Nobody's looking for me.
Speaker 4:So this comment is worth reading here. It's from Fenriris Home Alone. Did it better with traps? Tj to your point.
Speaker 2:Yeah. What was it Landmines? Bury mines in the ground that are wired with the security system. So once the system drops, mines get activated.
Speaker 3:And then once the day's over they unactivate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4:Like you got enough money to replace some fucking dirt or fucking you know, cement that's around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this guy got money. Yeah, I really think that the lack of traps was what killed him.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no traps, no safe room, yeah, I honestly also think the lack of I hate to use the term aggressiveness, but it's like I get it. And I have to first yield to the fact that him and his wife had kind of become complacent to this. You guys are bringing this point up that the kids were opposed to the whole purge idea and the movement. The parents had kind of become numb, if you would say they're just going through the motion, right, dad got rich by selling these alarm and security systems. They didn't really know that they were going to to do anything. But I really think that we skip over a lot of purges to get to this point where. How did you survive in the past? You had to have, they had to have unalived some people. That's just not realistic?
Speaker 1:Maybe not because he was saying that normally in their neighborhoods this kind of stuff doesn't happen. That was something that he said kind of stuff doesn't happen, but that was something that he said. But this this guy came strolling into the neighborhood begging for help and he just so happened to be the target of somebody else, which is the only reason that they were even targeted how long ago? Was the first purge, though.
Speaker 2:Well, that's a good question, yeah I don't know,
Speaker 1:that I don't think they give that information. They will.
Speaker 2:There there's a whole ass like about it Backstory.
Speaker 4:Let me just Well that makes me Well.
Speaker 1:do we know what year this Purge lands in the?
Speaker 2:first annual Purge, as depicted in the Purge franchise, took place in 2017.
Speaker 3:And this was 2022.
Speaker 2:It was a test run confined to Staten Island in New York. The first event depicted in the film, the Purge, occurred. What Hold on?
Speaker 4:Well, here's a timeline.
Speaker 2:So, 2014,.
Speaker 4:The new founding fathers of America rise to power after an economic collapse. 2017, the first experimental purge occurs on Staten Island. That was actually so okay. So we go backwards in the series when you watch the first purgege and then, in 2018, the purges rolled out nationally. In 2022, the events of the purge 2013 unfold during the fifth annual nationwide purge, so we watched one of the later ones. Uh, finally, purge election day happens after also one that we watch.
Speaker 2:All crime is legal. Why is everybody murdering?
Speaker 1:yeah, there are more crimes you could fucking.
Speaker 2:You could fuck with your taxes, yeah but that's the one. I don't know if I don't know if it's clear by the time the 12 hours, but you really could just like whoa steal you just like you know what.
Speaker 4:You are right, you could go into Fort Knox.
Speaker 2:You could go steal a car, Wait. So if you stole a car, would it be your car?
Speaker 4:I know right. Or would you have to forge the documents, or do you have to turn it back in the next day?
Speaker 1:You would have to forge the documents, and then it's yours.
Speaker 4:See, but all of that is, I think, low-level thinking. Then it's yours, see, but all of that is, I think, low-level thinking.
Speaker 1:You go into a bank and you just boom. Get a job at a bank? Yeah, but that's the problem. Get a job at a bank. This guy says Well, you saw police officers using their service weapons and firefighters setting fires in the beginning. Oh yeah, so I think people were already doing that.
Speaker 4:No bigger group of arsons than firefighters. You know that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, arsons than firefighters. You know that. Yeah, I think I think they just want fucking overtime. They're like dude, we're gonna get so fucking paid and they're right. Okay, so what's next? Um, okay, so next thing that he put on there uh, he said the central premise is logically weak problem. Legalizing all crime, including murder, for 12 hours to reduce overall crime makes no psychological, economic or sociological sense. I don't know if it necessarily has to, other than the fact that the movie just says that was happening. Okay, so like, why does this kind of happen, though?
Speaker 2:it's like because you're fucking broke and you needed some money, so you steal or you don't like this bitch so you kill her, or you know so everybody has like their reasons for doing something, so if they get that something done on that day, they don't need to.
Speaker 1:I could see it any other time I could, I could see the logic that's the logic, but if people knew like, oh, I'll just wait till this day where there's no consequences, then it would happen less. I think violent crimes would happen less. I don't know if, like blue collar and stuff like that, I think that might just still happen, naturally. But oh, yeah, I don't completely think the premise of if something like this were enacted, that crime would drop.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's completely out of the question, uh see, I maybe not to the extent, but like not to the extent of the movie where it was like what, 95 or something, something crazy yeah I see I have a hard time believing that that would be true really yeah, um, you don't think if people knew like oh, I'll just fucking wait in the um in the no, because I think too many crimes occur out of spontaneity, out of passion, out of anger, out of spite, out of it's opportunity.
Speaker 4:See, in order to convict, you need means, motive and opportunity. The opportunity doesn't come on one day scheduled.
Speaker 1:Can I propose an idea? Do you think there's possibility in which, if the purge actually existed, that immediately after the purge crime would be the highest? Well, I would actually say it would probably be pretty low still, um, maybe with a slight spike, and I would. The reason I would say that is because immediately when the purge ends I could see a couple people still committing a crime, hoping to get away with it. So I could see crime spiking right after the purge and then going back down to virtually nothing.
Speaker 1:And then to slowly. I would say that it would be like a bell curve where, um, like three months after the purge, more crime would start happening because people are like, ah, the purge is so far away, but the closer the purge gets, I think people would are like, ah, the purge is so far away, but the closer the purge gets, I think people would be like I'll just wait for the purge.
Speaker 4:No see, I don't think what. What is inevitable to happen is if I saw, let's say, I successfully survived, but somebody unalived one of my children. I'm not going to wait for the next purge.
Speaker 3:I don't care.
Speaker 4:My life is over, my seed is gone. I'm going to take you out. You're one of my next door neighbors and you tied up my son and my daughter and you wanted to unalive them in front of me.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 4:At which I don't want to. I don't want to skip unnecessarily, but I got things to say about that, yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, in the I think it's election year, the one before it, I don't know uh, there are people who travel from different countries also to do the purge tourism I could see that see that, that see, but that's the kind of shit that should, that should be banned in this, in this universe I feel like what the purge is, just other
Speaker 1:countries it's. It's a united states thing man get the hell out of here.
Speaker 2:It's a hunger games yeah, I feel like we just need to gather up a bunch of kids, put them into an arena, watch it on fucking sports center, espn, whatever, okay okay that'll be cathartic, you know.
Speaker 1:That was actually something that Josh said. He said to improve upon the premise, narrow the concept to something more plausible, like a government-sponsored combat zone or sanctioned duels instead of a blanket lawlessness period.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's in the first purge. That happened in the canon. It was just in one spot in staten island but I will say this.
Speaker 4:I will say this. So what if any idea how much the united states would save on tax dollars if every single government worker, bureaucrat, law enforcement officer, every single tax paid employee is off for a day?
Speaker 1:Well, you know, what I was thinking is the EMTs would probably not participate in the purge, because they would have to participate in the purge and then, immediately after the purge, get in a truck and go around helping everybody.
Speaker 3:yeah, which would probably be like the busiest day ever I've got an idea for the premise what if?
Speaker 2:because, like there's federal laws, there's state laws, right? What if? Every state just has a different purge? In what way? Just like what? If they have it, it doesn't have to be on the fucking purge day the state will have, it'll choose its own purge day.
Speaker 1:Oh, so you could just participate in multiple purges per year?
Speaker 2:yeah, I feel like, yeah, and I feel like that boosts the economy because everybody's paying for flights to get to fucking nebraska, where their purges on the fifth, and then immediately flying over to New York, cause it's on the seventh, and I feel like that would that would cut down on crime, cause they're too busy fucking chasing the purge. Hmm, okay, and it would start in Colorado first, cause they illegalized weed and weed makes you kill first, everybody.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's definitely true. It's sin. Okay, Moving on from that, a podcast reborn. This is a drug hate podcast now so josh says his next gripe is zero real world economic or social fallout problem. There's no explanation of how society could function with massive property damage, trauma and death every year. Improvement show real world consequences, insurance chaos, ptsd rates, corrupt uh corporations profiting from it to ground it in realism, which I kind of think they somewhat show a little bit. Did you guys listen to the broadcasting at the end in the credits?
Speaker 4:yeah, well, there, I mean that was. It's kind of the opposite of what what I think would really happen. It was the most successful purge in purge history. And okay, what? What made this so successful? Especially because, at least in this one area how many areas across the country did the purge move into the rich areas? Because in the early credits in the beginning they were talking about how it was only the poor who were affected by, yeah, the purge move into the rich areas. Because in the early credits in the beginning they were talking about how it was only the poor who were affected by, yeah, the purge. Now it moved into the rich neighborhoods and that's where property damage actually occurs, that's where money flies off the shelves from insurance companies, which makes this, in my opinion, makes this so much more unrealistic, because then insurance companies are having to pay out every year for the purge. No, we're done not happening they're not gonna pay out.
Speaker 1:Because they're not gonna pay out? Because they would probably make some stipulation that any damage done during the purge is not covered, right? But then who's? Who's gonna pay for it?
Speaker 1:the government no, they have to pay for it the government. No, they have to pay for it themselves. Yeah, yeah, I agree that there would be no feasible way to handle that as a society, but I also agree. Going back to what you were saying earlier, there's no way you could watch your neighbor try to kill your kids right in front of you while you're tied up, and then the alarm goes and you're like oh all right, bye, neighbor up, and then the alarm goes and you're like ah, alright, my neighbors see you tomorrow.
Speaker 2:hey Bob, how you doing absolutely not no, because then I'm waiting all year long for the next time you're going to try this shit that would never fly that's why the different states purge or designated purge zones like national parks or something you know or hear me out and just bring back fucking duels, I think bring back duels again, please.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I say, we bring back fucking duels, I think bring back duels.
Speaker 1:Do you want to duel motherfuckers again, please? Yeah, I say we bring back Back and cloaks.
Speaker 3:That's what he said we bring back duels and cloaks.
Speaker 1:He said Josh said government-sponsored combat zones or sanctioned duels.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I kind of think I mean, frankly speaking, duels. I think is this is the weirdest way to say this. I think it's really the most gentlemanly way of doing this.
Speaker 1:I knew you were going to use the word gentlemanly Really, Because that's exactly what I was thinking too, no, no, no, because have you guys seen the last John Wick movie?
Speaker 2:Good sir, no.
Speaker 4:Which one which?
Speaker 1:one.
Speaker 2:The last one, 17? No.
Speaker 1:John Wick 54?.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, I'll just john wick 100 you know what I did.
Speaker 4:I did see the end. It ends in a duel with yes lock pistols.
Speaker 2:I think if duels were a thing, we would have to have swords or single shot pistols cool that or like a crossbow, would be kind of fucking crazy no, that actually makes sense that if you miss you can clarify, because I didn, because I didn't know it was a flintlock pistol, but that makes perfect sense.
Speaker 4:You already said spoiler alert, so sorry guys, but when the antagonist walks up to John Wick and the manager, he's like you arrogant prick, he didn't fire. And then all of a sudden, john Wick sits up.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Oh, thanks, I'm sorry, nerdy Vets, breach load, not flintlock, thank you.
Speaker 2:I don't care what you fucking think.
Speaker 1:So Josh's third point is a nationwide crisis reduced to one house, he says, problem, the story is confined to a single home invasion, wasting the nationwide scale of the purge concept.
Speaker 3:Improvement, expand the scope show different classes, public areas, rural versus urban chaos and to explore the societal implications more fully.
Speaker 1:I agree, they do show that, but they show it in the news uh clips and excerpts that that are in there at the beginning, right but I think, like the, I don't really have a problem that they focused in on one family considering, but I think there's too many purge movies and they all explore something different within the purge. So I agree that yeah I agree that there is more to the purge.
Speaker 1:But I think it might be a little unfair to expect the first movie to show the whole night, nationwide scale of it, yeah when the whole purpose was just to show the effect it had on this one family right.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure the second movie follows just like a couple Just on a drive, and then the purge happens. And then the third one I think that's election year it follows a government official, so that's. I feel like that's a wide variety.
Speaker 1:You know, I actually want to watch more purge movies now.
Speaker 2:Really, I told you I would be down to fucking do the next one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't know that there was actually like more story to it. I thought it was just like oh yeah the purge movie like just another night of killing each other.
Speaker 2:Why do you think they made so many? If they make money, they're making more, you know, so there's got to be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I understand that I just didn't. I I didn't know that there would be any connections to each other.
Speaker 4:I thought it was just random purge movies, what I like about it is it seems like they decided as you're suggesting. It seems like they decided to explore the other parts of the universe rather than trying to make it a sequential series of movies which?
Speaker 2:there is some sort of crossover between, because the homeless guy in this does come back and also one of the characters from 2 comes back in multiple of them. But there's also like there's movies like this are cool because there's like world building, as like the movies go on or whatever, and like there's deep lore and whatever. But there's like I'm pretty sure in one of them there's like a religious group that like sacrifices people for their purge. Whoa, damn. Yeah, I think I'm remembering that I don't like it's been a while since I watched these movies, but that's just brutal as hell.
Speaker 4:I think I've seen.
Speaker 2:Election Year in theaters. It's probably that one.
Speaker 1:I'm reading some of Josh's points and I'm starting to think that he hasn't seen the other purges, like me, because, based off what you guys are saying, some of his problems I'm like oh, but that's solved in a later movie. So the next one he says is the Sandlins are bland, rich and dumb, which I actually agree with.
Speaker 1:I think that's a fair assessment he goes the main family is flat, unlikable and often acts irrationally, like letting a stranger in during purge night. He says improvement during purge night, he says improvement give the family deeper conflicting motivations which at this point he says maybe one supports the purge and another opposes it, causing real tension. But I think that's exactly what happened with the, with the son and the parents. The son opposed it, the parents supported it and that was the tension when the son let the stranger in.
Speaker 4:I get your point, but is it fair to say they supported it or they just lived in it?
Speaker 1:Um, I feel like they supported it. I think I think they supported it.
Speaker 2:He was like this is the day that everybody gets all of their you know stuff out and blah, blah, blah. You don't like if you support something that I feel like, that's the way you talk about it.
Speaker 1:I think the way that when the son said, would you ever participate? And he was like, oh yeah, if I ever felt the need, of course I would participate. That's supporting it.
Speaker 4:But see, like I wouldn't tell my daughter or my son that I wouldn't participate. You know, I wouldn't say something like that. I would say something like I would probably tell them openly I would take someone's life to protect you and it's it's, it's the way that I, I honestly feel about it is I would I go out and do that no, yeah, but that's not come to me.
Speaker 1:I'm taking him out. The son wasn't like if we were in danger, would you protect us? The question was would you participate in the purge?
Speaker 4:But he's saying if I needed to.
Speaker 1:No, he said. If I felt like I needed to let that out, then yes, he was very much in support of the purge.
Speaker 4:If that was what he said, then I would say that he was supportive of it.
Speaker 1:I think the mother was kind of just going along with it. I don't know if she necessarily supported it. I think he thought he supported it until it got too real, until it was happening to him. And I think that's when he realized yeah, because he was able to just watch it on a screen.
Speaker 1:You saw how desensitized it was, is actually like a really modern nasty, yeah, a really nasty uh comparison to reality, where we've been literally just talking about how desensitized we are to like really brutal shit we've become like I literally watch a a clip of a ukrainian soldier in the ukraine war and it's like an airsoft video just on tiktok like this is crazy. We don't need to be seeing this kind of stuff.
Speaker 4:I've said that openly. I haven't seen it on tiktok, but on instagram.
Speaker 1:I've seen people unalived left and right and I'm like, dude, ridiculous, you will now don't give me a sensitive content warning for like a puppy biting a toe and like a little bit of blood comes out. But then a guy will straight up fall 130 feet off of a cliff and I'm like he, he died and I'm just watching this.
Speaker 4:And no sensitive content warning, no, nothing uh, that the the other thing is, they will full-on ban tiktokers. I I mean, uh, grammars, when there was a girl who did not intentionally show boobie and her whole boob came out and they banned her account and that was not her content, like she didn't post spicy content and this one particular video. It was a nip slip and one time and they banned her account and I was like dude, I would far rather my kids see nipples than beheadings yeah, yeah I think they're going to be far less traumatized I just want to add something to the the ukrainian war videos dude.
Speaker 2:I hate, like it'll be, like I don't know which side it was on is they're either russians or ukrainians, but you hear, like the fucking drones they're using oh yeah fucking screech of the drones is so fucking unsettling. Yeah, it's horrifying.
Speaker 1:It freaks me the fuck out yeah, it's a brutal, horrible thing and and we've become very desensitized to it. So I think the the parents became kind of desensitized to it, like kind of far far and removed away from it, because you you especially heard it when they're like oh, maybe we'll watch some purge events became kind of desensitized to it, like kind of far and removed away from it, because you especially heard it when they were like, oh, maybe we'll watch some Purge events and I'm like we're just watching these events for entertainment during the Purge night.
Speaker 2:Is there like a Purge night football or like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like ESPN for the Purge.
Speaker 4:Okay. So all of that mindset kind of references my point or not. References Bolsters. No, it kind of rebuts my point why they weren't sitting up in their house with the slotted steel capping off at that truck as he's pulling up to pull their gates down, their doors down.
Speaker 2:Where are the mounted turrets, or something?
Speaker 1:That's something I would be upstairs with a scoped rifle and literally that driver's just give me a fucking, but the dad was saying like he like supported it, but like very passively, like no, I'm agreeing, yeah, yeah, I'm agreeing with that. I didn't want to do anything that's what he.
Speaker 4:That's where his fault was yeah he thought that this security system was enough, because it never happens to me. I would have a whole room of guns.
Speaker 2:I would have a safe room. Me too, I would have fucking activated moats Traps For real. As soon as I turn on the security system, everything activates.
Speaker 4:And a lot of the money traps are outside.
Speaker 2:I don't care who it is, what it is, I you're getting shot.
Speaker 4:Stay away from my house like those automatic turrets in the movie aliens yeah, I'll literally have.
Speaker 2:I'll have a freaking speaker system out there like hey, don't cross that line, you're gonna get shot I can't control it, it's automated it's anybody crosses that line it's going I can't. I can't shut off the system until freaking 5 am, or whatever.
Speaker 4:And who was that? Who was complaining about James? He has a boat. What do you need a boat for when you Because they did the add-on garage, wasn't it? It was the add-on that the neighbors were complaining about.
Speaker 2:I assume that the security system you can open just one of the panels you know if it was any good right, shove the dude, the homeless guy, in the garage. If you're really trying to survive, throw them in the garage. Lock the garage door, open the door till they get them shut it or something.
Speaker 4:Yeah I mean clearly the the beef was that they didn't want to turn them over anymore.
Speaker 2:If they had a safe room go into the safe room. Open the security. They can come in your house. You can replace everything. You're rich, yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree. So Josh's next point. He says the homeless stranger is a plot device which I don't necessarily have a problem with but he says problem, he has no backstory or personality, used only to trigger the home invasion conflict. Now, if you don't know anything about the next movies, this is a completely valid gripe. He says improvement, give him depth.
Speaker 1:Maybe he's a veteran or former government employees, so viewers care whether he lives or dies his purpose in the movie was to just be a human being yeah, to be fair, in the first movie, when this first came out with none of the other movies after it he is a very kind of random ass character, but I think that was kind of intentional, because you were also feeling that same uneasiness that the family was feeling where you're like you don't know who this guy is or what he's capable of or what he'll do, and sometimes know who this guy is or what he's capable of or what he'll do, and sometimes you need a plot device to move the plot forward.
Speaker 2:There wouldn't have been anybody at their door unless yeah, he was there because the people like that that he sold the security systems to all his neighbors. They said once the security system was down was when they decided to go over there true they saw an opportunity yeah they had no opportunity with the security system.
Speaker 1:They didn't know how to do all of that yeah, that's why I I don't mind that he was a plot device. Um, I do agree, he kind of came out of nowhere, but I do think that also helps you feel what the family is feeling, where you're like I don't know what this guy is gonna do. Um and now that he's in here, that you know what do you do?
Speaker 2:yeah he would. He like he didn't have a weapon, didn't he? He didn't have one. He found a gun in the house right. He was injured, he was running. I feel like he would have immediately just murked the kid. It doesn't take that much to freaking. Sorry, tiktok, choke a kid out you know, so like you know, so I feel like there's something you know, like he was just there to be human to show some sort of compassion, although he did.
Speaker 1:He did slam her head into a wall. He fucking did.
Speaker 2:He bodied her it took her like freaking 10 minutes to wake up. Oh yeah, she was out for a while. She has a concussion.
Speaker 4:You remember that she wasn't she just like laying there afterwards like yeah, just like staring off, like she was yeah, even when she was concussed when she woke up, she was yeah, she was concussed yeah, he hit her hard, yep, so like that.
Speaker 1:Now that I think was like come on, man you're trying I mean, you're not the bad guy, but then you do that and you're like that's that's really.
Speaker 2:We're looking for him and he, you know, it's like yeah I get it uh wounded animal. Well, but which?
Speaker 4:I think josh's point is very well made, in that he was just there for for plot, artillery weaponry and uh and armor.
Speaker 1:He's simultaneously yeah, somewhat yep, yeah, well, and I I think that actually, not knowing anything about him and being the whole time you're like this could go good, this could go bad, he could be good, he could be bad, I don't know at the end, when he does decide to to help the family, I think that really accentuates his character arc. Right where you knew nothing about him this whole time.
Speaker 1:Really, he kind of he was like kind of played both sides a little bit at some times and you're like accentuates his character arc right where you knew nothing about him this whole time. Really, he kind of he was like kind of played both sides a little bit at some times and you're like I don't know where he's gonna fully land, yep. And then he ends up defending the mom and and is like her, her muscle, yep uh, at the end, you know.
Speaker 2:So, after, after he leaves, at the end he's, uh, you know, he's in this nice uh, you know rich neighborhood and he ends up getting shot by the police. He's in this nice, rich neighborhood and he ends up getting shot by the police because he's not supposed to be there. Okay, I'm pretty sure you made that up. No, I made that up.
Speaker 3:That would have been crazy, though I swear I watched the credits. I mean for all I know the credits.
Speaker 4:As the report was going on in the background, it's like showing images coming up, you know.
Speaker 3:And I'm like that's like.
Speaker 4:Night of the Living Dead.
Speaker 2:They're like he's got to go to get out as the cops show up. Oh my God, instead of his airport security friend.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Josh's next problem. He says they are cartoonish villains with no real motive, which I don't fully agree with this either. He says problem the polite leader and his crew are overly theatrical and lack a believable reason to be so sadistic. Well, they're trying to clean up the streets from all the dirties.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think they are just Well. So here's what he says. He says Improvement show them as brainwashed elites, which I think they were. Yeah, government tools or ideological extremists to make their behavior more believable. I would say they were both brainwashed elites and ideological extremists based off of the way he was talking. He did have that very Joker calmness.
Speaker 2:They were hard tweaking for this one guy. What did he do?
Speaker 1:He got away from them. That's what it was. He got away.
Speaker 4:He actually said he had the nerve to fight back.
Speaker 2:I think he said he had the gall.
Speaker 4:The gall.
Speaker 2:You know how many homeless people are in LA? Not after the purge, that's what they said, that fix their problem was down but so that's like the thing where it was like it.
Speaker 1:That was the big controversy at the end in the, in the broadcasting, is when they were saying crime is down, you know, back down to it's like what? One percent or whatever, like 99 down or whatever, like some crazy number. They're like it is down. It's hard to refute the numbers, but is this about eliminating the poor or is this? Is this about eliminating the poor or is this about what they say? It's about? Um, so that was like the whole big controversy and they're like, but it's hard to refute the numbers when there's no crime happening. You know, you see, but you gotta see josh's comment.
Speaker 4:What?
Speaker 3:do you say? Josh keeps commenting to you, I did have gpt help make this oh, that's so funny.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's so funny. Okay, I didn't know that. I understand that now I did um. Next point the security system makes no sense. I think we're gonna agree with this. He said for a top-of-the-line system it's easily breached by basic tools yeah, chains and a truck I do agree it should not have taken one truck to yank off. It does Thermite came out Improvement, either make the system more realistic or acknowledge that it's faulty to sell more upgrades. Corporate greed is a scheme.
Speaker 4:I think they were trying to get to that.
Speaker 1:They may not have, but then it begs the question why didn't he have all the add-ons and upgrades and everything?
Speaker 2:that's what we definitely believe garage to his house. How about you?
Speaker 4:make the fucking steel thicker but because and I think, if I can uh quote fenriris, he actually says it pretty well in here is the fact that he doesn't believe that this can happen to him. It fosters weakness and that's what I think it was. I don't think he he spent the money on the security system to show his neighbors he believed in it, but I don't think he ever believed the purge was going to come to them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what. I mean Like so far removed from it that it's almost like oh, it's just a different world, like I'm not a part of that, and then it actually hits you and you're like oh, I'm not from compton, me and you, we both exactly we both say like we're close enough, which it's weird because they were supposed to be in, yeah, the ritzier part of of la, but if you drop all police services, the Beverly Hills is overrun in minutes.
Speaker 4:They're surrounded by less than attractive neighborhoods, yeah, and by the way, I kind of think that those ghettos would stand a better chance than the rich neighborhoods.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely, and.
Speaker 4:I wonder now okay, we will, we will probably all agree on this. Uh, the reason why they haven't risen up is because they can't stand together in the ghettos. They fight each other. Uh, if they could stand together during one of these purges and just take down their elite enemies, I mean shoot well I think that's why the elite have power to begin with, though, is that they'll work together.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and this kind of goes to the point earlier made. In that regard, I kind of think, uh, instead of a car, if you take somebody's house during the purge, you have to give it back the next day.
Speaker 1:How does that work? I I do question that. That kind of goes to josh's point about no real world, economic or social.
Speaker 4:It really doesn't make sense, does it? Because if you were, that's. I think that is one of the major plot holes for this movie and that's why they focus so much on murder, on murder, because it's so decisive it's decisive. That's it, because, like what if you?
Speaker 1:steal a car minutes before the purge ends, right when it ends, and you're driving it. Are you now guilty of Grand Theft?
Speaker 4:Auto yeah, what is it?
Speaker 1:Or are you still exempt because it was an action that started during the purge Right? So this goes to his next point no explanation of how it's enforced. Problem who prevents crime before or after the purge? What stops people from planning mass crime outside the time window? Nothing, really, besides just the fact that now it's illegal.
Speaker 2:Right, but that's kind of. I'm sure the police in this universe have a lot more like money around considering like a lot of the shit. That's like the crime rate is down, you know.
Speaker 3:Right, so like I feel like they're they.
Speaker 2:They got like systems in place. I'm, you know, right.
Speaker 4:So like I feel like they're they, they got like systems in place. I'm sure this is like a dystopian future where there's like cameras everywhere. Couldn't be our future right, couldn't be right now couldn't be our. I mean wait, wait I've never seen a camera before, do we?
Speaker 2:have cameras everywhere. I've never seen a camera. Is there a camera looking at me right now? You can't get around what?
Speaker 4:there is a camera looking at you it's a conspiracy.
Speaker 2:I hit a button, okay, camera in the corner of my room and I just stare at it.
Speaker 4:So josh says and this was my point if you rob a bank, do you get to keep the money? You would have to you would have to be able to.
Speaker 4:The ones that are interesting to ask are the actual transfer of property where, like the bank, money is like that's the banks, right, that's, that's interesting, but cash is not traceable in in most instances there's no way to really steal a house unless you get the owner and force to sign the deed over and then in that case, I feel like it is your house, because the deed is signed over to you but the point is very well made by josh, because if I go into your home and I take it by force and I unalive everybody in it and I say this is my house, I mean this is, this is just an act of piracy in the grandest state scale.
Speaker 2:Everybody's doing it in the country right, just steal a bunch of lottery tickets again same thing.
Speaker 4:That really brings up.
Speaker 1:If you take stuff from the armory, from the national guard, do you get to keep the hummer after?
Speaker 4:see, I like how specific you got at the end of that it is kind of a a gray area in this universe.
Speaker 1:I don't know if they explain it anymore in the other movies, but that all makes sense.
Speaker 4:It's it's very controversial to to go down that road, so it's easier to just stay on one I feel like money is like yeah, you get to keep the money um.
Speaker 2:However, they do know what it's like.
Speaker 1:Serial numbers are on them, so like maybe not though I don't know how much of this next point is actually shown in the movie or not. It it says a total lack of world building. We hear about the new founding fathers, but the film does nothing to uh, does almost nothing to explain how they came to power or what they believe.
Speaker 4:I think that's true because I don't know how the new they definitely show power the funny in the first stuff in this, in the second one, right and I think no, but in in just the first movie.
Speaker 1:Because no, not in the first movie.
Speaker 2:They just say our founding fathers but, they're not talking about Ben Franklin and shit, no, our new founding fathers, which?
Speaker 1:sounds like it was a complete government takeover.
Speaker 3:So that's what that sounds like to me the second I heard our new founding fathers.
Speaker 4:I was like oh, so you fucked up America. It was allegedly after an economic collapse. So so they just, you know, they made an economic collapse and then brought these saviors in.
Speaker 1:There's an economic collapse let's murder if our founding fathers aren't good enough for you, you should probably leave america so frankly, last point, last point 12 hours wouldn't be enough problem. Coordinating mass violence, murder or major crimes in only 12 hours isn't as easy or cathartic as the movie suggests. Improvement show how some prepare for months and explore how this creates a year-round culture of fear. I do kind of think it tried to briefly show that because it only started the day before the purge. The movie, yeah, or the day of the purge.
Speaker 4:The day of purge, the day of the hours before yeah.
Speaker 1:So like the movie only has kind of a narrow scope of of the purge itself, it's only just kind of touching the main premise of it, right, and then showing how it affects this one family. But you saw, like the guy in his backyard sharpening his machete yeah. So like you saw, people were preparing yeah, people had parties planned, things like that. So people were preparing. Yeah, people had parties planned, things like that. So people were definitely preparing somewhat in advance.
Speaker 2:I get the catharsis of it because imagine like you go an entire year with your mouth tape shut but then you get your tape off once a year. Would you not take that time to like scream your fucking head off? Would that not be cathartic? You?
Speaker 4:know, while I agree with that particular, example.
Speaker 2:I think it's you, get it, you know in like a non murderer speak. I'm trying, I get it.
Speaker 4:I get it for the murderers, but there aren't that many Right it's. It's so bizarre to me that this movie makes it out like like killing people would be so easy.
Speaker 1:I mean, look at our, look at our vets, our vets people who are literally trained to be killers and they come back messed up they.
Speaker 4:They don't teach them how to deal with what they've done but I wonder if that would well.
Speaker 1:I think during the purge people would would be more like not thinking about that, you know, and just saying like, oh, I'll just go do, why not? And then having to live with the consequences of that for the rest of their lives, realizing like, oh, that was not fun.
Speaker 4:But see what what I think would end up happening is. You would end up with a society filled with messed up people.
Speaker 1:Exactly I agree.
Speaker 4:Serious mental issues.
Speaker 1:I agree it would be a completely traumatized entire society of people.
Speaker 4:It would either be an entire society of people who would be desensitized and therefore crime would run rampant because they wouldn't care about the purge day. At least it might work one year, two year, and this was supposed to be only like the fifth year, so maybe it's still working. People are holding off, but you think?
Speaker 2:they moved very shortly after. I mean, I would I feel like it'd be so awkward if they didn't.
Speaker 1:I don't know how she could ever, ever, look in that direction again. Without wanting to kill them, that's what I know also also a point that I thought of.
Speaker 2:He's putting in all these security systems into people's houses. I would do. I would myself, I would put in a back door to everybody's, you know.
Speaker 1:I was kind of thinking the same thing. I was like for a little bit of the movie in the beginning. I was like what if he's just selling them like fucking sheet metal?
Speaker 2:Well, he was Like scraps. I feel like he would have like a master code to like their shit.
Speaker 4:you know, that's why he said to his wife they look good, but they're not gonna keep people out yeah that's a sad state. He really was, uh, guilty of selling them snake oil true, and he knew it.
Speaker 2:And then he made a new addition on his house and didn't pay for a better security system that he already doesn't have to pay for because it's his business which I would have done, because then the neighbors would have been like, damn, we really did right also one wall, why why not have two? Why why not have a shutter on the outside and another one on the inside?
Speaker 1:I mean right, right, yeah, a lot of things.
Speaker 4:Definitely that, if it's once a year there's a lot of planning that goes through it. See, we've talked about this. My, my whole setup would have been hinged on inner outer shutters. It would have been a lag bolt going straight through the studs holding both sides up. And you're not going to pull. You try to pull, you're gonna.
Speaker 2:I mean you could pull the whole house down, but then we're also in a safe room and have at it my house would be heavy as fuck because inside my walls thick ass steel, because I'm assuming their walls aren't bulletproof, are they?
Speaker 4:That's true. That's true. Just one guy with a machine gun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, fuck up your whole day.
Speaker 4:If you french fry when you should a pizza, you're going to have a bad day. You're going to have a bad time.
Speaker 2:If you don't plant mines in your yard for purge day, you're going to have a bad time. That's true. Yeah, and that's why you should come down to WIS Minefields where we will put mines in your front yard. They may or may not be fake.
Speaker 1:We'll let you know. You'll put Mayans in my yard. There will be.
Speaker 4:Mayans in your front yard. Mayans in my field. It's the Mayans from Sons of anarchy are going to be in your front yard.
Speaker 2:It's a biker gang here at kygb mines, I sure as a ky jelly okay he was probably having a wild time during the purge hold up kygb or not? Wait. So if you kidnap somebody, do you get to keep them?
Speaker 4:see like that what it doesn't make sense, do you get plot hole?
Speaker 2:do I get to keep it plot hole pa can I keep the black man I let in the house.
Speaker 4:Okay, wait, I gotta say something that just absolutely freaking, bothered me, was that ending. We only kind of talked about it, but that just drove me nuts. That she was like we're not gonna kill anymore tonight. Like dude, seriously, like I, I I get the sentiment, but you know that they're just gonna wait until next year. They're not gonna want to live with you. You're not gonna want to live with them. You said it. You're gonna be driving by these people like hey, what's up? Bob hi jim yeah, high key.
Speaker 2:I would have, like, poisoned them or something this is absolutely freaking ludicrous.
Speaker 1:That goes to the question like. That's why I said that after the purge, like immediately after the purge, like immediately after the purge, I would expect a massive increase, a massive spike in crime from people either revenge killing right after the purge or not realizing the purge ended yet, or like already ended.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you have to be next to like a no because the fucking sirens Well, hang tight because you have, we haven't.
Speaker 4:Even they didn't explore and we didn't explore the most awful thing. Uh, what if they were like just essaying people?
Speaker 1:yeah I'm sorry, but and then you have to look at that person the next day and be like, oh, but it was during the purge, so that, that you're telling me that a woman who gets that and has to live with that doesn't come the next day and just blast.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm not buying that.
Speaker 1:That's why I think there'd be a massive spike in crime after the purge.
Speaker 4:That's why I agree with that.
Speaker 2:I don't think there would be like that. My brain's not nice.
Speaker 1:I don't think there would be that 95 or like 95, 99, whatever percent.
Speaker 4:No crime thing I don't know I think maybe don't let tj talk, don't let tj talk some points during the year.
Speaker 2:That's why you kill him after anyways he's gonna say something.
Speaker 4:Oh my god, I'm sorry for laughing.
Speaker 2:That was awful, that was awful, it was awful, that's what I'm gonna cut but it.
Speaker 4:But you're probably right.
Speaker 1:No, you don't get to do that live and then cut it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, all right. Well, I think that's going to wrap up this episode.
Speaker 2:Okay, I think we lost the purge again. Another one would be dope Probably not next episode, but we could do another one. Oh, dope, probably not next episode, but we could do another one. I could do it next episode, would you that? Or Code Black oh, oh man.
Speaker 4:I kind of want to see where we go with Code Black.
Speaker 2:I know it means I don't get to win, but I kind of want to see where we go with Code Black.
Speaker 4:I know it means I don't get to win, but I kind of want to know.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm also curious TJ's the winner, yay.
Speaker 2:Yay, that's what you get. Wait, so if you bribe a cop during the purge, oh, that's fine.
Speaker 1:I could see that being fine, as long as the money transfer doesn't happen after the sirens ring.
Speaker 4:I see during the purge the cops roaming around together in a unified fashion, unaliving people.
Speaker 2:Is the purge.
Speaker 4:Pacific Standard.
Speaker 2:Time or Eastern Standard Time.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, how do times don't work.
Speaker 2:Is there a purge during the day on the other side of the states.
Speaker 4:During the day. It's only a three-hour time difference, dude. Yeah, what the fuck Well?
Speaker 2:yeah but it would start when it's bright out, though.
Speaker 4:I love it.
Speaker 2:When did it start?
Speaker 4:You're right. I think it was 7pm to 7am so 7pm. It would be 4pm in Los Angeles or would it?
Speaker 1:just be by your time zone.
Speaker 4:I think it would have to be by your time zone, in which case the people who live on the time zone could get an extra hour if you just cross over that time zone.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 2:Winner speech. Thank you, guys for supporting me and what I do. I'm forever grateful to our founding fathers and to our new, refurbished America and podcast.
Speaker 3:Eric is very tired.
Speaker 2:He has to go do job things. We are going to end this by 12, though, so you will be getting a decent amount of sleep, Eric. I will be getting five hours. I am immediately closing the live and going to bed. I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 4:Oh, this guy's tired too. Yes, I am, I'm tired, hot, I worked.
Speaker 2:Alex, this guy's tired too. Yes, I am, I'm tired hot, I worked.
Speaker 3:Alex, lose your speech.
Speaker 4:I lost, it's okay. I'm still kind of excited to see what happens in Code Black. I hope you guys come back and listen to that episode as well. Come and listen to us on the live the next time you're listening to this. We do the live podcast every Friday evening. Usually we start about 1030, if not a little bit later. We're late birds, except for we're not Not all of us.
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Speaker 2:His timer is going down, he's fading.
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