Will You Survive... The Podcast
Immerse yourself in the world of cinema as we embark on a journey to equip you with the skills to tackle any disaster head-on. Through the lens of thrilling tales, particularly those of the zombie apocalypse, we'll unravel the secrets of preparedness. Join us as we explore the silver screen to empower you for the challenges that lie ahead.
Will You Survive... The Podcast
Will You Survive "The Conjuring 2": Holy Water, Communion Crackers, and Other Questionable Ways to Fight Evil
Lurking behind the veil of a seemingly ordinary ghost haunting lies something far more sinister in The Conjuring 2. We dive deep into the notorious Enfield Poltergeist case, where what appears to be the restless spirit of an elderly man reveals itself as something far more ancient and malevolent.
The spiritual battle for survival takes center stage as we explore how names hold extraordinary power in confronting supernatural entities. Throughout history and across cultures, knowing something's true name has granted authority over it—a concept brilliantly depicted when Lorraine Warren finally discovers and confronts Valak. We catch all the subtle ways the filmmakers hid this demonic name throughout the movie—from children's letter blocks to bookshelves—creating a visual breadcrumb trail that viewers might miss on first watch.
What truly sets this horror film apart is its exploration of psychological and spiritual isolation as a weapon. Demons strategically separate their victims, creating islands of vulnerability where doubt flourishes. As Ed Warren wisely observes, "The proper approach is to respond as a family." This profound insight applies beyond supernatural encounters to all challenging situations—facing adversity together provides strength that isolated individuals lack.
The real-life Enfield case contained fascinating elements the movie only touched upon, including investigator Maurice Gross's personal connection to young Janet and how this affected his determination to uncover the truth. We examine how the film balanced Hollywood dramatization with the documented strange occurrences, offering a compelling glimpse into one of Britain's most thoroughly investigated paranormal cases.
Whether you're a horror aficionado, paranormal enthusiast, or simply curious about surviving supernatural encounters, join us as we dissect how discernment, community support, and spiritual awareness might be your best defense against forces lurking beyond our understanding. What would you do if faced with an entity that knows your deepest fears and can manipulate your perception of reality? The answer might determine if you survive.
Hello survivors and welcome to another episode of Will you Survive.
Speaker 2:The Podcast.
Speaker 1:Today I'm Eric, just for today, and I'm joined by my co-hosts, alex and TJ. Say hi, boys.
Speaker 3:I'm Alex for today.
Speaker 1:I'm Valak. Well then, get the fuck out of here. So we're talking about. You spoiled everything. He spoiled everything chat yeah, he did I mean listeners, chat, what am I saying? Uh, chat, I I'm not gonna lie, I'm gonna get it out right off the bat. I'm a little tired. I feel pretty similar to how I did last episode. Um so, and, but I'm the host this time, so we'll see.
Speaker 3:Drink some more of your adult apple juice.
Speaker 1:I plan on it. Um, what we do on this podcast is we normally watch some sort of horror movie or survival movie and then we talk about the different survival aspects of it. This one's a little different because it's not so much physical survival it kind of is but it's more spiritual and mental because it what? What? I think you would like this a lot. What is it, Bourbon? No, it's different. Okay, quick break. This is important. Wow, that's almost like a Green Apple's.
Speaker 1:Jolly Rancher, that's what they make it. That's what they used to make it with Crown Royal. Wow, that is really good. I told you I'll stick to my stuff, stuff, but that made no sense to anybody listening. Uh, this episode is a little different. We're starting off right where I want us to start off. Uh, this is the conjuring 2. We watched the first one, uh, and now we watched the second one, and then the first one just came out today, didn't it?
Speaker 3:was that what it was, or was that? No, did it? What was today?
Speaker 1:oh, today was the gray uh, yeah, so when you said it just came out today, I was this movie came out nine years ago. I was like, I don't think so.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're tired, all right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was not following that, but anyways, the second movie, General Thoughts. What do we think?
Speaker 3:Well, you want me to tell the people what it's about, because I don't think that they know what it would be, since it was only from 2016. Yeah, it was so soon ago.
Speaker 3:Go ahead. Ed and Lorraine Warren are coming off the Amityville horror case when they decide to take a break. This break doesn't last too long, as Ed has a vision of a possessed nun, which is the same person Lorraine previously saw. Meanwhile, over in London, a mother and her four children are being haunted by an evil spirit which appears to be attached to an elderly man.
Speaker 1:So general thoughts guys. How do we feel?
Speaker 3:I liked this one more than I liked the Conjuring 1.
Speaker 1:And you could be wrong. For that, that's okay.
Speaker 3:It had a few more scares than the first one Got me to jump a couple of more times. I also know the Enfield Poltergeist story pretty well, so I thought they did fairly well in telling that story, even though they embellished it a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I really got to look into these stories and know more about them.
Speaker 2:I mean they really just like skipped over Amityville, they're just like hey. Isn't that what the third one's about?
Speaker 3:No, not Amityville. The third one is about there's a book that exists called the Devil in Connecticut. It's about that case.
Speaker 1:I feel like the Amityville one would have been a real easy one.
Speaker 2:I don't know why they still not done it.
Speaker 3:Amityville. They already made a movie about twice now. Yeah, but there's nothing that they could do, no not twice Like fucking 17 times there's been so many. Oh, okay, all right, I mean two majors.
Speaker 1:Wasn't Ryannolds in one? Yes, didn't he say?
Speaker 3:like that was like what is that? He would never do? He'll never do it again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's scary because I do believe that when you're retelling those stories like that, I think you know, I think things can in a sense possess you. But I also think, like the joker everybody who's played the joker has said that oh dude, it messes them up.
Speaker 2:That's just because they're fucking extra about it.
Speaker 1:I think there's a spirit behind it.
Speaker 3:to be honest, Well, was Jack Nicholson extra about it? I think his movie that fucked him up was the Shining.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, no, heath Ledger got messed up by the Joker.
Speaker 3:She was jacked right. Shelley Long, shelley Long, shelley Duvall, we got to jack right shelly long, shelly long.
Speaker 2:She, shelly duval. We gotta look up the dr phil fucking interview with her because damn she was cooked. You're right, like she's dead I forget her name.
Speaker 3:She played olive oil in the popeye movies but, duval. I kept saying long, but I thought she was a blonde, yeah, okay, so the this one, though, was really interesting. There's a documentary out, I believe it's also on Netflix. It's on Netflix. This one wasn't on Netflix, but it's on Netflix, and at least that's where I watched it.
Speaker 1:About the Einfeld.
Speaker 3:About the Einfeld poltergeist and it's a really really well done. It's a dramatized. Do you remember those travel channel ones?
Speaker 1:Yeah, where it's like a haunting in America. They like retell the story Exactly. They always put at the bottom like this is not actual footage.
Speaker 3:Yeah, created by actors? Yeah, they have, they do. They do like the interspersed real footage and then they do the dramatized footage.
Speaker 1:The actual footage. You guys listen to the actual Yep Real at the end, creepy yep, real at the end.
Speaker 3:Creepy, very creepy. But what was interesting, what really threw this case into doubt, was that the girl, the girls themselves, actually told the media that they made it all up, and so everybody was like, oh well, you know, and they, they backed off. But the uh lead investigator was not ed or lorraine warren, it was actually that, um, uh, not, not marvin, what was his name?
Speaker 1:oh, that's super dope mustache.
Speaker 3:Maurice, maurice, that guy, that guy was the best so Maurice gross Morris, maurice said Morris, they did say Morris.
Speaker 3:Maurice and, uh, he had showed up first, he was the first one on in, uh, chronological order and he wanted to believe them because there was remember. He went. The story he told to lorraine was actually something he told in real life. He was trying, he was hoping that there was something more because his daughter died in a car crash and he thought that she was trying to reach out to him. So he was not considered an unbiased investigator because he really wanted something to exist beyond this life, but he was also right. He was right and he stuck with them.
Speaker 1:So that's what hurt me about Ed and Lorraine on this movie is that that moment where she faked it. I was trying to put myself in Ed's shoes. That's really tough, but at the same time he saw stuff. So what is he just going like? Well then, that all must have been fake too, dude. You watched her get bit. You saw the dentures fall from the sky out of nowhere into the water. You saw all this stuff happen. You saw her get teleported into a room that was completely locked. You saw all this.
Speaker 2:And they never bothered to answer it and like teleport into that room. How else did she get in?
Speaker 1:She was already in there that even when they were sitting in that bar or that restaurant or whatever, and that other investigator, the chick where she was, like, uh, they never answered how she got into that room she was.
Speaker 3:That was actually very accurate of the movie. Anita gregory and john belloff were the two skeptics the entire time. They, they, and it was almost if you thought about World War Z. They were like the ninth man. They were so set that, no, it can't be real. No, it can't be real.
Speaker 1:I do kind of think you need that.
Speaker 3:And so everybody was. I think it kind of turned into gaslighting those who knew what they were seeing was extra right. So, like Ed knew, what he was seeing wasn't just, you know, these two girls playing tricks, or the mom, or like he knew it, you know, but then you have these skeptics.
Speaker 2:It also, like the, it casted more doubt in his mind, though, that the fact that lorraine didn't feel shit, didn't see shit yeah, oh, that was a good one, yeah so that you know it must have fucked with him that way because he's like all this shit's happening Right, and I want to believe.
Speaker 3:How can my wife not know?
Speaker 2:My wife, who's always right isn't feeling nothing.
Speaker 1:But even she kept saying like it didn't feel right. Right, something didn't feel right, even though she couldn't feel it.
Speaker 1:She didn't push it until they were gone, and she emphasized that point, yeah, it wasn't until she was gone that she realized, oh, this fucking thing was hiding behind that ghost. See, that was really cool. I've never. So this is where I think you might, you might have some more knowledge. Uh, on this for me and tj.
Speaker 1:Um, what, what do we really know about demons? Are they the type to like, all have their own way of doing it, or like because? So here's the thing. The reason I bring this up is that in the first one it was in the first conjuring there was this whole exorcism to get rid of the, the demon. The second one all she did was say the name and say I condemn you back to hell, and then that was, that was enough. So is that just movie messing it up, which could be, I'm willing to say that, but also like the idea of I don't know if demons would really do this, but the idea of I don't know if demons would really do this, but the idea of this demon hiding behind a collection of ghosts and being like oh no, I'm not a demon, I'm this ghost that hides in the tent, I'm this old man that's haunting the house, I'm this crooked, crooked, whatever it was, and in reality it's all this one being that's trying to hide. Is that accurate at all? Like what do we?
Speaker 3:know it's accurate as far as literature goes. People have written seen.
Speaker 2:It's like you know, demon's name helps you cast out the demon.
Speaker 3:That's right and that's that's multicultural like mortuary assistant.
Speaker 2:That's the point of the mortuary system you got to find the man's name.
Speaker 1:You said that's multicultural that's multicultural in multiple cultures in which that makes me feel like it's real.
Speaker 3:In multiple cultures, names have power right. Once you've identified the name of the malevolent spirit, you have an edge up.
Speaker 1:I think that's also interesting. Wasn't there a demon that somebody tried to cast out a demon in the Bible and the demon basically laughed and was like I know Paul, but I don't know you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, in the Bible the story goes that those who were trying to cast out the demon, they weren't using the authority of Jesus, they were saying Paul, they were trying to cast it out in their own strength. The demon told them I know who Paul is, I know who Peter is, I don't know who you are. And it was meant to be a kind of exemplary point that none of those others had any authority. It was the name in which they came right. Again, names have power. Having the name of the Lord, the one who the Bible calls Lord of Lords, saying he controls you, not me, I don't have the power over you. And then in Japanese culture they have something similar, where I love the Asian culture because they they're very atheist. The whole continent region they're very atheist but they're very superstitious. You talk about ghosts in their presence and they're gone. They will, they will book. It. Isn't that a lot of anime about ghosts as well, you guys? Are you guys familiar? There's?
Speaker 2:you know there's in a lot of anime there's references to shit like that.
Speaker 3:And it's funny because they don't believe.
Speaker 2:Before I forget it, did y'all see the name of the? Demon before they revealed the name of the demon.
Speaker 1:I did. Okay, let me explain.
Speaker 3:I only saw it, I only saw it once. I only saw it on the bookshelf. Well, I saw it on the bookshelf twice.
Speaker 1:I saw it on the bookshelf. Well, I saw it on the bookshelf twice. I saw it on the bookshelf and the reason I saw it is because?
Speaker 2:Is that when she scratched like the scene? Yeah, I missed it.
Speaker 1:I missed it at first because there's a wide shot of the whole bookshelf when her daughter says mom, wake up. I saw it when she started scratching the name of the demon into her Bible. I saw V-A-L and I was like whoa, because I've seen this movie before. So I paused and I was like whoa, that style. I was like that looks like Valak, that looks close. And then I was like I got to go back. I go back and it's the full shot and it's right there. V-a-l-a-k.
Speaker 3:So I saw it at the very beginning, when the daughter was sitting there putting her beads on her bracelet or whatever, and the shadow walks by and the camera pans across. You see the daughter just sit there. She looks over her shoulder and then, when she looks over her other shoulder, the camera pans to her and it's right there, you see it. And then the daughter gets up and goes out into the hall.
Speaker 2:The mom gets up and goes out into the hall, goes down and does that whole scenario. So I believe there's four separate times. Wow, when? Okay, so you know when he was painting the painting of. Valak right.
Speaker 1:Before we knew it was.
Speaker 2:Valak. She was like ugh sat down at the table Right next to her. There's like a little sign that says love, but the V is like big, and then it just says ALK underneath, and then he comes down, down and on the window behind him. V-a-l-a-k.
Speaker 1:Wait a minute, hang on one second.
Speaker 2:But you see she was playing with the beads, right, if you look at the like one of her bracelets. No, are you serious?
Speaker 3:I definitely didn't see that Wow.
Speaker 2:Because I knew that, because me and him watched this, because we were going to start a podcast.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, wait I noticed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, did you see it no behind.
Speaker 3:I did not v-a-l-a-k.
Speaker 2:Oh wow v-a-l-a-k.
Speaker 1:Right there, right here what's what's.
Speaker 3:What's that one what this is like the oh like the butterfly, a little kid like making little letters oh my god there it is lak now that they're still at their home in this one right yeah, both of those holy shit that's like fucking their home, so they're just also appears in the bookshop and on the bracelet the daughter is working on.
Speaker 1:Wait a minute, hang on, I gotta see the bracelet one. Where's's the bracelet one?
Speaker 2:Right here yeah.
Speaker 1:Holy shit, wait a minute. Uh, so V L A K, look, it's right there. The bracelet one is really subtle.
Speaker 3:That is wild. I definitely saw it on the bookshelf, okay, so I had to look it up. That's good. Tj's absolutely right. You must've looked this up too huh TJ, I'm going to say 4k monitor in front of my face. Tj, I'm going to say that's good, because you got all of them.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say plus three points for the three that we didn't see.
Speaker 3:So you've got letter blocks, you've got kitchen ornaments, you've got the wall etching and you've got the friendship bracelet. I wish they did it more.
Speaker 1:That's good. That's a lot like the House of Haunting of Hill House backgrounds never even saw.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I really wish they did it throughout the whole movie and then, like in that scene where she realizes the name I wish she like flashed through, like, all of like you know all the shit she's seen, but she didn't see. I wish I wish they did that that would have been fucking clean. But wow that, that's really cool that actually makes me appreciate the nun is a dude, oh is it yeah, played by a dude. Oh Well, checks out. Also plays the red demon in Insidious.
Speaker 1:Oh, you know, that makes sense. I see that the red demon in Insidious is.
Speaker 2:No, I was looking up the IMDB and shit and I was like that's a whole man, but you know.
Speaker 1:You know which one actually scared me? The Conjuring really doesn't scare me.
Speaker 3:Insidious doesn't really scare me that much. Sinister for some reason gets me no, sinister didn't bother me. Uh, the other one that came out at the same time insidious.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that one bothers me. Insidious, I don't really, I like, I like insidious. It doesn't really scare me that way oh, insidious, bothers me in my core the, the theme song to insidious, bothers me insidious three?
Speaker 3:well, but insidious was the one. Wait, am I confusing the two? Isn't insidious, bothers me. Insidious 3? Well, but Insidious was the one. Wait, am I confusing the two? Isn't Insidious the one with the boy?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's the one. I think it's because there's a young boy in it. It just troubles me yeah.
Speaker 2:Insidious 3, it's the girl and she's in a wheelchair because she got hit by a car. That's it, yeah, I.
Speaker 3:That's it, that's the one, that one is my favorite.
Speaker 1:I would like to bring up a specific scene and going along the lines of like how you would survive this scene, Because this is a scene that I think you actually could do something, but I don't really know the scene where what was the little girl's name?
Speaker 3:Janet.
Speaker 1:Janet. When Janet got pulled into the locked room and all the crosses started flipping upside down, my first thought but also so this is twofold my first thought would have been to grab one of those crosses off the wall and keep it upright. But also my other thought was and I don't, I don't, I honestly don't know how biblical this is, but my thought would be like the cross isn't going to give me any power. Right, like holding the physical cross isn't going to give me any power. Right, like holding the the physical cross isn't going to give me any power. I kind of had like a different realization. I had a moment, actually, where I realized some of the approach that I wanted to take towards the demon was very much in my own power. And what kind of snapped me out of that was watching. What was his name? Johnny was a little boy. No, billy, who was the little boy who walked into the kitchen uh god, what was that little kid's name?
Speaker 3:I know, I know um it wasn't billy.
Speaker 1:Was it billy? It was billy or was it the other one?
Speaker 3:well, it was either billy or johnny. I think it was johnny too because billy was the little one the younger one.
Speaker 1:No, it was the older one, the older boy, that was billy. Okay, so when billy walks into the kitchen, that that confidence, I think, was there. I just don't think he had the spiritual knowledge to take on something like that. But I liked what something that Ed said where he was like the power comes from Christ, not from anything else. But part of me is like grab that cross and keep it upright. But the other part of me is like that's not what's going to protect you. I had this idea of in my head of like just standing face to face with the demon, being like you can't, you can't do anything, right, you, my, my god has dominion over you. So what are you going to do? Right, but I don't know. I it was like there was like a little moment there where something clicked for me okay, what's your way of getting rid of a demon?
Speaker 2:uh, me, as a you know, natural born demon killer, I start my day off eating a nice full bowl of communion crackers, you know body of christ, and then I take the blood of christ, I pour it in there. Um, I call them jesus, um, jesus. Yep, nice full bowl of that. They can't touch me for the rest of the day.
Speaker 1:If you want to just eat them dry, you can call them.
Speaker 2:Jesus.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, all right, sure Okay.
Speaker 2:So, specific Flip them back, flip them back, put them back up. Put them back up. You just run around the room.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you start running around. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, wait, wait.
Speaker 3:Which scene are we talking about?
Speaker 1:When she got teleported or when they ran into the kitchen when all the crosses were going upside down. No, no, no, no. Put them back up, put them back. Put them back up.
Speaker 3:That was when Janet teleported into the room about how would you survive that?
Speaker 1:yeah, so well, because I was saying, like my, my first thought to survive it would have been to grab one of those crosses and keep it upright, but I don't think that's the right approach right I think the right approach is and unfortunately I don't think at 11 or 12, whatever.
Speaker 1:However, she was 11 I think it was 11 I don't think an 11 year old girl has the spiritual knowledge to really deal with that right. But I mean, and like even someone who does have the spiritual knowledge, to keep that knowledge while under that much pressure and in that much fear is a totally different thing.
Speaker 3:And also, you got to remember that she was like what you would know, uh, knowingly call oppressed. She was like she said she was sleep deprived.
Speaker 3:She was almost. She was almost possessed. That's when, when the Warrens had left the house, lorraine had referenced that the girl was almost possessed and that they had to get back before she was fully possessed to save her. And the? Uh, really, the only thing that you're doing at that point is standing in the face of right there's in that scene. Uh, this is the the creepy thing about it if you follow the lore. So just to go a little deep here not too deep, is. Valak is a real demon. Valak exists and was written about in writings such as the Lesser Key of Solomon. It would depict itself as a boy and it would reveal hidden treasures to people who were seeking them. So it was very mischievous. It would lead people to their death, if you will. But of course, the portrayal that we see in Conjuring is vastly different.
Speaker 1:The defiler.
Speaker 3:Where they come to this whole nun thing. We know that comes from the Hollywood lore. So to follow the lore. The only thing that you can do in this is Ed brought it up. You have to attack it as a family. Yeah, the biggest thing that every single one of these demoniacs do is they separate everybody.
Speaker 1:The devil wants you to feel like you're on an island all by yourself Every movie, it doesn't matter what movie you watch.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is what they do. Is they separate everybody into an island, everybody's?
Speaker 2:on their own.
Speaker 1:And in this one. They did the same exact thing. You don't need anybody else.
Speaker 3:And Ed even said so, right. The proper approach is to respond as a family. Now, nobody else was there, right? I think it was only the investigators, the mom and Janet.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Those were the only ones who were there and so, yeah, you're right. I mean, it's one of those things where you look back on it it's like, well, how do you explain Janet getting into that room? And they never did explain it. They just must have said, well, there must be an explanation.
Speaker 1:Maybe she snuck into the walls or something.
Speaker 3:Something.
Speaker 1:They really tried to really say anything. But I don't know that. I do think it was a little sad that ed gave up because he did for a second. They both did for a second give up, even though they saw it. They knew. You know, like they've seen stuff like that before they saw it, they knew what they were dealing with but they let their doubt uh they let their doubt.
Speaker 3:Probably seen a lot of liars too, you know and and they saw those people like the uh skeptic on the tv show. So, like they're, they're kind of disheartened already.
Speaker 1:you know what. You know what I. I started thinking, though, what I would be thinking if I was ed, and maybe it's easier said than done, but what I would have been thinking in that moment is that's very confusing. Everything that I've seen points to the contrary. And then there's this one video, at this perfect time, that contradicts everything that I've personally seen. There's a lot of confusion there, and God's not the author of confusion, so to me it would have felt immediately like this isn't right. Something is trying to confuse me, something is trying to throw me off, and they got there. They got there eventually, and I think it was part of the movie, obviously, for them to give up, but then find the tapes and figure it out and come back with that knowledge that they had oh, I just remember.
Speaker 3:I just read this and it just brought a whole new. I don't know if you knew this I don't think they said it in the movie but maurice gross's daughter was also named janet oh, so he had a special attachment to this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah but I didn't remember that from this movie. I do remember that from the documentary version that I watched and uh, it's a mini series. Actually it's not, I shouldn't say documentary, it's a mini series. But they did use a lot of the real stuff that that was captured from it notes, uh, descriptions, and um, they did mention that ed and lorraine warren came out. No, of course it wasn't nearly as dramatic as the movie makes it out to be. There was damaged stuff, but it was nothing like you know. The whole house was destroyed by this demon. Right Lightning struck a tree and dropped it on the ground. Nothing like that happened in the real story. Very dramatic in the movie, in the story that Maurice Gross was involved in.
Speaker 3:In the story that Maurice Gross was involved in, he stayed the longest. He started it. He went up to the point where everybody washed their hands of it and moved on, and he was the one who came back. Now, what had happened was the Institute for Psychic Research. Let me make sure I got that name right. It was called Society for Psychical Research.
Speaker 3:They originally appointed him on the case and then, as it started getting heavier and heavier, they pulled him off of it, and that was kind of the thing that the girls said that they told the two girls or I'm sorry, not the two girls the two doubters what was his name, what was his name, what was his name? Uh, anita gregory and john bellhoff bell off. Janet and, um, the older girl, uh, I forget her name janet and the older girl told them that they made up the whole story and because they wanted them to leave uh, it wasn't that they that they really uh, margaret was her name, janet and margaret told him that they made up the whole thing because they wanted them to leave, because they were being condescending, they were being mean and, basically, from their account, the spirit was able to be vindictive and mean to them because nobody was paying attention, and so they just told them we made up the whole story so they would leave. They did, they left, and then Janet was the one who called Maurice and was like, why'd you leave? He told her that it was the Institute's call, that they told him that he was off the case because he was too personally involved, mainly because his daughter, janet, was the one who he was trying to reach, and so, on his own, he went back to them, according to the story.
Speaker 3:I don't know how accurate that one is. All of these are Hollywood essentially. So he goes back and continues the investigation with them, and that was apparently after the warrens had already left. They had done, uh, they had done prayers and they had done like minor things. They didn't do like a, an exorcism like they did in the movie, and but he stayed did they ever come back, the warrens?
Speaker 3:no, no, maurice went back and handled it after that and he had called uh, he had called the priests because of ed and lorraine's involvement. The church was willing to get involved, but they were very reluctant because the family wasn't catholic. So they're like what, what do you want us to do about it? And so they did end up getting involved, but it was like no big hoopla, anything like that. They went, they blessed the house and I guess that was it. But it doesn't make for much of a movie when you do it that way yeah but it was still maurice gross's uh badassery.
Speaker 3:I mean that guy wouldn't give up and while I completely understand that he was tied to uh janet by his desire for his daughter to be reaching out to him, and it was really sad because it was almost like he was happy that this was going on they did show that in this movie, by the way when he was like this could be groundbreaking and Lorraine was like they need our help, that's all that matters, then he backed himself up, was like it's not really what I meant. Then he kind of explained his position.
Speaker 1:I got what he meant. Honestly, I don't know. Two things can be true at the same time. You know you can be helping these people, but this could also be he's right. If there was ever a way to fully prove, 100% scientifically, that this is real, that would be huge, that would be historic, that would be groundbreaking. Now I don't know if humans ever should do that, because I don't know what the repercussions of that would really be.
Speaker 2:Every movie I've seen that proves ghosts or that the soul is real, it always ends bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know. I just can't imagine humans taking that well, because there's one thing, to come to the faith and come to understand all that, but then for no one to be able to just say like no, it's not real. Because people can just say like no, it's not real. Because some people can just say no, it's not real and go their lives pretending like it's not real. But if something is scientifically a fact, I mean, there's still people who just completely ignored certain scientific facts. But um, if something like this were to come out as a scientific fact, that this is 100 true and real and you cannot deny it anymore, I think a lot of people would have a hard time coping with that.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, it's all about the name, right? You say demon and people walk the other way. You say interdimensional being.
Speaker 1:All of a sudden, it's interesting.
Speaker 3:Well, because it is. They're not of our dimension, they're not bound by the third dimension or the three dimensions length, width, height. They're outside of time and space. They operate freely, and I do believe there are beings of that sort. You could call them anything you want. I also find very interesting the I don't know if you guys know the story of the Hydron Collider in CERN.
Speaker 3:That's one of the main conspiracy theories among the uh mandela effect is that opened up different universes well, it's interesting because it's the claim is around the same time that they fired that bad boy up. Uh, we all started remembering things differently. Everybody says, no, that's not how it was. It was always that way. No, that's not how it was. Fruit of the loom always had a cornucopia. No, it, it didn't.
Speaker 1:They got caught? Oh no, but I know what you mean.
Speaker 3:I'm there, right, nelson Mandela died. No, he didn't.
Speaker 2:He didn't die.
Speaker 3:And then you have Queen. We are the champions of the world.
Speaker 1:I swear, that's always been there. No, it doesn't end that way.
Speaker 2:Yes, it does, no it doesn't.
Speaker 1:No, but I think the proper version of that song is when he's on a roller coaster and he goes we, you suck.
Speaker 3:You suck so, but that's my favorite conspiracy theory. They fired that bad boy up and we slid sideways into another dimension, but that's just for fun I like that one too that's just for fun. You always, every time you do that, you always remind me of chills. That's just a theory.
Speaker 2:Tell us what you think in the comments below yeah, I believe in other dimensions and shit, you know it's like. Yeah, you know, if it's if they don't exist, who cares? But like it'd be cool if they did. I mean, it explains I don't know about.
Speaker 1:I don't know about cool but.
Speaker 3:I mean what, if you what?
Speaker 2:if you look out.
Speaker 3:That'd be kind of sick what if you look out into space, right, and we're all like life, life, life like this is my personal interpretation Is there life out there? We look out there and we are so myopic we only know ourselves. We're so narcissistic. We are life, this is what life is. And we look out there and we're overlooking millions of quote unquote beings that we can't see, we can't tell they, they, for our tiny little pea brains they don't exist, right, but like you look out there and it's like, really, how can we be the only things in this giant?
Speaker 2:universe, I think like recently we did find an asteroid or comet or whatever that had the building's blocks of life on it. You know, like the right, like you know, neil deGrasse Tyson.
Speaker 3:I don't always. I don't always listen to that guy. He doesn't always say the most intelligent things, but he said something very intelligent about the space probe that we crash landed into Saturn, space probe that we crash landed into saturn. We crashed it into saturn instead of one of saturn's moons because we didn't want to jeopardize future research, because the possibility that some nasa scientists, jpl, uh mit, somebody sneezed on the probe before it was launched into space and then we crash it on on an uh one of the moons and in future years 50, 60, 100 years later we're researching the moon and we say there's dna.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like us oh, it's fucking ours right. So, nope, just crash it into saturn. Now I know it seemed it's like ridiculous because the likelihood that any of our bacteria, vaccines, viruses, anything from a human could survive in space is so remote. But the theory behind it is you don't know.
Speaker 1:No, because that'll be the one fucking thing that just throws off humanity.
Speaker 3:Forever, always, always. That's always how it is Always assume the worst case scenario I agree.
Speaker 2:It like fucking crashes somewhere. Oh, always how it is, always assume the worst case scenario. I agree it like fucking crashes somewhere. Oh, there's some bacteria. The bacteria evolves.
Speaker 3:It's angry that you took it away from its planet.
Speaker 1:It comes to vengeance, we create angry space bacteria. Exactly, we create venom Dun dun, we create venom.
Speaker 2:That's the movie Bacterium.
Speaker 1:It goes all the way from Saturn's moon to Earth. It's on its way. It's common.
Speaker 2:In space, no one can hear you cough. It's space COVID. I like Saturn the best for this?
Speaker 3:because Saturn if you've ever listened to the sounds of the solar system, saturn sounds the scariest. It sounds like hell.
Speaker 2:Saturn's the one with the wings system. Saturn, sounds the scariest, it's just, it sounds like hell yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, so is uranus of a.
Speaker 2:There's a asteroid um in like its rings, and it's like making little wibbles in it, like you know how they're like mostly in like a straight line. It's making little wibbles in it.
Speaker 3:I thought that was cool do you see that asteroid that looks like it has a skull on its face? No, that's creepy there's like a celestial body out there that looks like it has a skull on on the side of it.
Speaker 1:You hear about the one that's gonna kill us all well, there's like four of them yeah, they're all gonna kill us all.
Speaker 2:Plenty everybody be scared there's so many asteroids that could potentially kill us okay, I love it, but like most of our planet's water, yeah, so I mean well I think, I think the problem, the problem they're saying, is like if it lands in an ocean, wouldn't it like evaporate the entire ocean at once? Only if it's like fucking like moon size.
Speaker 1:Yeah desta, but I don't think it has to be that big. That's the problem. Is that it. It so the meteor. So we know about the. The. You guys know about the giant crater off of South America. Right, that, they say, is the Big Bang or not the Big.
Speaker 3:Bang the crater that extincted the dinosaurs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that extincted the dinosaurs. That is not as big as you would think. It's big. It's huge, but it's not as big as you would think to be a catastrophic event that made an entire, like almost all living beings on Earth extinct.
Speaker 2:I don't know, dude, you really think so. Between 10 and 15 kilometers. It was 6 to 9 miles long dog that's me to work that's huge, but the whole earth.
Speaker 3:That's us to downtown dude.
Speaker 1:That is not compared to the entire earth, that's not that big and that did not that big and that did that much damage. So what I'm saying is I don't think it needs to be as big as we're imagining to deal as much damage as we think.
Speaker 3:Oh no, I don't imagine it to be that big.
Speaker 2:The celestial bodies. It matters how fast it's going and all that. It must have been knocked off of some other planet. Got shot off just like, kept building up speed and then eventually hit and killed the dinosaurs because it was going super fast.
Speaker 3:Isn't there a theory that the asteroid actually hit the, that there was a much larger asteroid or body or comet? Something was flying through the solar system and hit a planet that was between Mars and Jupiter that is now the asteroid belt and pulverized it, and a much larger rock of it came hurtling to Earth outside of the, and that's the moon?
Speaker 2:No, and that's, or that's, the asteroid. It was another planet that collided with Earth.
Speaker 3:The moon? Yeah, the moon could have been, and that was before the dinosaurs even.
Speaker 2:That was going all the way back.
Speaker 3:That was going all the way back to the theory of. How cool would it be if we?
Speaker 1:had rings on our planet.
Speaker 3:Dude, how cool would it be if we had that giant ringed planet JR140,. I forget what the number is.
Speaker 1:Could you imagine looking up in the sky at night and seeing the rings?
Speaker 3:You would see Saturn.
Speaker 1:That would be fucking crazy In Saturn's place.
Speaker 3:You would look up and you would see freaking huge rings.
Speaker 1:That would be insanely cool. That would be cool, that would be. Oh my god, that cosmic beauty, that that'd be unbelievable so it's, it's I want to go to the desert late at night and actually look up because I've never seen. Like is it true that if you go to the desert like you could see like everything in the sky?
Speaker 3:yeah, you go where there's no light pollution. You could see the Milky Way in the summer.
Speaker 1:Everything.
Speaker 2:So you know, eastern Washington is a desert, I told you this. Not very many lights over there. I went over there for the Hosier concert, as you know, and as I was, you know, jamming the Hosier in the background, shooting star.
Speaker 2:And the only time I've ever seen shooting stars is when I'm in eastern washington I I want to go out to to death valley at night yeah, no, it's, it's cool, you can see like that, maybe not not necessarily death valley, but that area heading out to the desert dude driving to death. I've ever heard.
Speaker 3:I've ever heard. We go much closer to like Atalanto. It's disgusting, but empty, Vacant. There's no lights.
Speaker 1:I wanna go towards dusk, shoot guns in the desert, unregulated, like a true American, and then watch the sun Shoot scorpions and shit. Watch the sun go down and then just look at the stars. That's what I want to do here's a uh.
Speaker 3:Here's a fun fact. If you shoot a rattlesnake anywhere near it, you will always hit it in the head.
Speaker 1:It will move towards it. Oh, what an unfortunate debuff it will try to.
Speaker 3:It's so fast that it can move in front of the bullet when you shoot at it, but it will unalive itself by doing so because it's trying to take on a bullet.
Speaker 1:Yep, that's pretty cool actually always hit it in the head look, that's one of those things, like you shoot it, you kill it and you're like pretty impressive, pretty cool I.
Speaker 2:I admire you for doing that. I'm cutting the rattle off and I'm taking it with. Yeah yeah, I would for sure yep 100 I'd have to go find another one. You got to cut the head off and bury it though.
Speaker 3:True, you got to cut the head off and bury it because it can still. It can still bite right, it can still envenomize somebody if they step on the head.
Speaker 1:Snakes are a little creepy.
Speaker 2:Can't you drink rattlesnake venom and not die?
Speaker 1:I don't know about that. It has to be in your bloodstream, wouldn't drinking it put it?
Speaker 2:in your bloodstream. I would think so because your, your intestines will like kill it, like the would your stomach acid venom, the toxin would your?
Speaker 1:would your stomach acid kill the venom or would the venom make it to your intestinal track and then be absorbed into your bloodstream.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I heard it somewhere that you can just drink it and not well, I can't imagine that tastes good cut in your throat, then it's getting into your bloodstream wow you can wow.
Speaker 3:Okay, very, very careful. Okay, that's just. This is not advice to anybody listening warning.
Speaker 2:Warning they're mexican. They've been around rattlesnakes Warning.
Speaker 3:This is not advice to anybody. Interestingly, rattlesnake venom is generally not harmful if swallowed, as long as there are no cuts, ulcers or wounds in the mouth, throat or digestive tract. You're right. Venom needs to enter the bloodstream, typically through a bite, to cause toxic events. However, drinking venom is certainly not advisable, as even a small injury in the digestive system could allow the venom to be absorbed, leading to serious consequences.
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Speaker 3:He says, currently drinking rattlesnake venom.
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Speaker 1:Like and subscribe, okay, um well, something we were talking about prior to recording the live heard us talking about this. I don't think the writing of this movie was that great. It was directed by the same guy, it was written by the same people, but actually it wasn't, because the first one was written by two people. The second one was written by those same two people and like four other people. Personally, the writing seemed stale, especially ed's lines, but the movie overall was great. I just think there was a lot of times where Ed over explained things for no reason and that whole scene where they're talking to the door was so ridiculously Hollywood. It was like we entered a romcom for a second. It was awful.
Speaker 3:I think you're overly critical. I didn't mind it. I watched it all the way through without any like hiccups. I wasn't like oh god, this is so bad. I felt like I stayed in it the whole time. I thought this movie gave me more jump scares than number one I I definitely felt like I got more of that uh, sense of dread in this one than I did in number one.
Speaker 2:Dude the scene with when her daughter sees Valak and then she goes into that room and then the fucking painting's on the wall.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:It looks like it's freaking standing there it does, and then she turns the light on oh painting, Walks away. Yep Is legitimately fucking standing there, yep, that one.
Speaker 3:It's is creepy. That one bothered me, the old man's voice bothered me a few times. I was like, I mean, I did have earbuds in, so I was like stop talking. My ears.
Speaker 1:You know, though, in my brain meat ew. I hated that did you feel nostalgic.
Speaker 2:It's in my brain folds.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, that's why they're called clickers. You're an asshole for bringing that up, man.
Speaker 2:Yes, I did. They emit a sound when you press it.
Speaker 3:One of the first versions of remote controls the clicker. Yeah, it didn't use like an IR All you had was up and down and volume and channel, that was it. You didn't have anything else. There were no numbers on it and I think you just click it and power, I'm sorry, and power.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it used like ultrasonic sound to like change it.
Speaker 1:The old man's voice didn't creep me out. What creeped me out was hearing the real recording. That creeped me out Because that's real. That's a little scarier.
Speaker 2:It didn't sound like.
Speaker 1:It sounded a lot more like. I think it actually would sound like, because the movie was very much coherent and supposed to be scary and tell a story and all that. The real one, was just about as chaotic and evil as I would imagine it being. It didn't make a lot of sense. It wasn't speaking in complete sentences, it was. It sounded evil. It didn't sound, you know, like hollywood yeah, I did.
Speaker 3:I did think it was a little ridiculous that ed was able to line up the two real to real tape decks perfectly I know what I found funny about that scene.
Speaker 1:What I found funny about that scene was that he pulls the tapes out and he's explaining it to her. He's like in this one. He says this and then he clicks play and then it starts saying he's like and in this one he says this and he clicks it and I'm like, how did you know? Yeah, how did you know exactly where you were in the tape and exactly what he was going to say and that, if you lined these two up perfectly, it was going to say what you?
Speaker 3:thought it was going to say he said line them up at the top. But it was like wait, when you started recording you had like 15 minutes of dialogue before you before he started talking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a little silly there, but you, yeah, before he started talking. Yeah, it was a little silly there, but you know that that I'll chalk up to hollywood movie drama, but the scene like I said teleports to the ceiling of the downward downstairs floor and she's like you can see the jump rope going through the floor yeah dude's just sitting in the corner.
Speaker 3:That's creepy and then walks up the stairs whistling very creepy right like what was that song? What was that song?
Speaker 1:that was like uh, knickknack, paddywhack, give a dog a bone I this old man is going home I think, uh, I was trying to imagine, like if I was in her position during that scene and I was trying to I don't know, because I try to think that, like I would want to be as calm as possible in those scenes, but how could you be if you've never?
Speaker 2:had like sleep paralysis. I say that scene describes what sleep paralysis feels like. Yeah, like you're just fucking glued there and you're staring at something horrifying.
Speaker 3:It was even crazier when he flipped her back up and she was in her bed again. Mm, hmm, yeah.
Speaker 1:I thought this movie did a good job of portraying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, after I thought this movie did a good job of portraying. Yeah, after she was on the ceiling.
Speaker 1:No, he pulled her out and she was in that room.
Speaker 2:I think she was on the floor, actually, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was on the floor in the room with all the crosses, the locked room. Yeah, she wasn't on her bed. Well, that was her bedroom, oh okay, Well, she was on the floor but I see what you mean.
Speaker 1:No, he pulled her through the floor and then she was sitting on the floor because I was trying to think like there's a very clear, distinct difference from when you're in a dream wait so that fucker put the fucking jump rope back on her just to do that shit, because you said the jump rope was through the floor yeah, well, no, because she tied it on herself but she wasn't in the room, no, so she was in her mom's room and she tied herself to the jump rope and then when she teleported onto the ceiling, she still had the jump rope on her, and then he used the jump rope to pull her through the floor.
Speaker 1:So I was trying to imagine like there's a very clear, distinct difference from when you're dreaming Like your dream self, even when you have a lucid dream dream, when you realize that you're dreaming.
Speaker 3:That's what a lucid dream is right well, uh, lucid dream, yeah, when you know you're dreaming when you know you're dreaming, even that you know it's different than what real life feels like.
Speaker 1:Janet must have been like this was real, she was, this was. This wasn't like some dream world where she could just be like, oh, I'm gonna wake up. This, this was very real and physical. You felt yourself go through the floor. You're in this other room now and you're sitting on this floor looking at the room around you. Could you imagine how disorienting? First of all, you were stuck to the ceiling and then you're pulled through a floor and you're in a room that you know is supposed to be locked. And you're in a room that you know is supposed to be locked and you're watching all this play out around you the helplessness.
Speaker 2:The feeling like you're on an island. They're poor, very poor. Why?
Speaker 3:the fuck do they still have that raggedy ass chair? The dude died in it.
Speaker 2:There's probably death liquid all over it.
Speaker 3:The second I heard that that thing would be gone.
Speaker 1:Nope.
Speaker 3:I'd have tossed it. The other thing was did you read the end credits?
Speaker 1:Yeah, she died in the same spot 40 years later, that's crazy, I don't know. To me that feels like nothing ever left. That feels way too coincidental. Yeah, in 2003,. That's way too. That's still 22 years ago, not far enough ago.
Speaker 2:That's creepy as fuck.
Speaker 1:That's what the shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, fuck that.
Speaker 1:Died in the same spot. Yep, ah, I don't like that.
Speaker 2:They're probably watching TV together. Ah, I don't like that.
Speaker 1:They're probably watching tv together. I wonder if, once the demon left, the old man was like hey, I'm actually pretty chill, old dude's like what the fuck is a well, the old dude was really chill.
Speaker 3:when you think about how he talked to lorraine it was he was telling her I want go, this thing won't let me go.
Speaker 1:I felt bad. I don't know, I would like to think that, but okay, so I say this, knowing the outcome of the movie already. But I would like to think that I would have been a little understanding that it seemed like the old man wasn't trying to do this. Something gave me that vibe. Maybe it's because I already know the movie, but I think they wrote it in where it didn't really seem like the old man wanted to be doing this. He seemed just as confused as everybody else. Yep, but obviously he's a ghost. So you know, a little more power and different circumstances.
Speaker 2:Yep, I feel like ghosts are less brazen than him in the movie, just like cops are there.
Speaker 3:Fuck it We'll show, just did it right in front of them.
Speaker 2:I'm going to move this chair right in front of you. I feel like ghosts don't normally do that in movies.
Speaker 3:Kind of silly to say ghosts are shy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe I was putting on my.
Speaker 2:I feel like that kind of showed that it was a demon.
Speaker 1:Maybe I was putting on my ghost whisperer mind. You know that show.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I was just thinking, I don't know. It feels like this guy has something to say, like he doesn't want to hurt me, you know. But then at the same time he pulled her through a floor and then started, uh, choking her out he also bit her yeah, and bit her so, like I would I don't know, I think, if I was in jan Janet's situation.
Speaker 1:but that's what I'm saying From a third-party perspective. I can look at that and say it seems like he's being controlled. He doesn't want to do this, but from Janet's perspective I don't think you're considering that at all. I think you're going nah this guy is trying to hurt me.
Speaker 3:To quote TJ, hear me out. You've heard of a mimic right. We've always assumed that mimics mimic physical beings. Why, why do we force that opinion on them?
Speaker 1:What if a mimic can mimic a?
Speaker 3:ghost, because if that's the case, this fucking thing was just a mimic. That's just a ditto it was transforming into the the old man, so it even had his two missing teeth yeah, it was this.
Speaker 1:Like it, like ed said, it created this facade. Yeah, it created this. It tried to make you think it was something else than what it was, and part of it is that, it knowing that if you know its name, it's all over for the most part or at least, it loses a lot of its power.
Speaker 2:His main thing, he would say, is this is my house, you don't belong here, right they left the house multiple times and shit would happen when they're away from the house to the neighbor so then you know,
Speaker 1:it's not the old man but see, that's like one of those details that from a third party perspective you could see it, but I think in the moment that is not something you're ever considering in the moment.
Speaker 2:But yeah like, why the fuck are all my windows shattering?
Speaker 1:that's such a good point that, like if it really was just the old man, all he kept saying is I want you out of this house. So once they left, it should have been over, right. But the fact that it happened again would indicate that now it's not the old man Yep, that's not what he wants. Or even if it is the old man, that's not what he wants. Right, he's lying. Very interesting stuff, guys, all right, cool. Any final thoughts on this? Did I already ask that?
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:I still think it's weird the nun's a dude.
Speaker 1:I mean, it makes sense, the guy's huge. Oh, is it really? Yeah, it's acted by a man. Oh, no way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was pretty decent. That's pretty decent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean the nun's huge, the nun's easily over six foot, I think it's weird that she didn't just like tell him about the nun when he was hunting it.
Speaker 3:Wait a minute.
Speaker 1:I agree Are you sure? Yeah, because demon nun is Bonnie Ahrens. I thought it was a demon. Wait, I could no wait. I.
Speaker 3:Demon voice Robin Atkin erins. I thought wait, I could no wait. Demon voice robin atkin.
Speaker 2:Robin atkin downs maybe it was the, nun the movie the nun, did you guys look that up?
Speaker 3:no, because valak may the the demon and the nun might have been a dude because that we. We saw even in the the nun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in the nun 2018.
Speaker 3:Oh wow, which I mean I got to say, looking at her face like her face structure is just it's. It's impeccable for that, for that creepiness.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, she's done a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1:Drag Me to Hell. Is that the one you guys were talking about?
Speaker 3:Yes. I brought that up to the chat before we started. I think she's the gypsy.
Speaker 1:She was in that Little Bites that sounds kind of creepy the Nun, the Nun. 2. What?
Speaker 3:Yeah, everybody was talking in the chat before we started that.
Speaker 1:I didn't even know they made a second one. Oh wow, chat, before we started that. Uh, I didn't even know they made a second one. Oh wow, she's in the conjuring. The devil made me do it. She's in.
Speaker 3:All the all the fucking she's, she's valic in every single one. Huh, they call her the demon. Nun, it's interesting, because you would think they would just call her valic yeah, now that we know her name, she's in annabelle creations yeah valic valic's in that one too.
Speaker 3:Which, again to close out my perception of this movie. I think one aspect that they're holding true to what I'm calling for, the chat and the podcast listeners lore the demon follows the exorcist, if you will. According to Malachi Martin, an old Jesuit priest who wrote the Exorcist Handbook, you do not start an exorcist if you do not finish. Don't start one if you're not going to finish it, Because if you don't finish it, well, look at Ed and Lorraine Warren. This thing haunts them. I kind of mixed haunt and hunt together for all the rest of their career. So there may be something to that, I don't know. I thought this movie had some really good jump scares.
Speaker 1:I thought it was. When did they fail to complete the exorcism?
Speaker 3:None of these were a completed exorcism. It wasn't.
Speaker 1:Did they ever start?
Speaker 3:They didn't do a Catholic ritual, no. But if you read the Devil in Connecticut, you'll see what I mean. That was devastating. That was a devastating one. That poor boy. Well, I wonder what Conjuring 3 holds, because the book the Devil in Connecticut was I mean, no other way to say it. It was heartbreaking. Yeah, it was scary, but, dude, it was so heartbreaking that a nine-year-old boy became possessed of a demon and you were watching. The family is standing around watching as this thing is. They would describe it as force the boy to do a thousand sit-ups and then depart from him, leaving him vomiting all over the floor.
Speaker 1:Nine years old. That reminds me of what was that one movie? Uh, the guy who's in prison and he said he was possessed, and the psychiatrist. It was made by a24, the side. I think you're that's that's the conjuring three no, it's not the conjuring three, it's the.
Speaker 1:The psychiatrist comes to the prison oh, nefarious, nefarious. It's like that where he, that the demon would possess him, make him say no to his final meal and then leave him with all the. And then leave him and let him sit there and grieve and be like no, I, I just wanted my burger and my shake, that's all I wanted. Like no, you said you didn't want anything. Yep, and he just sits there breaking down crying because he's like I just want anything, just something.
Speaker 1:Every last thing was taken away, but this demon would come in, take it away from him and then leave to let him that was there and that was a grown-ass man that that hurt me honestly, like especially that the last meal thing. It actually really hurt my heart because it was like I was a grown-ass man.
Speaker 3:Imagine seeing that from a nine-year-old boy and the whole family's just standing there watching. They called in ed and and Lorraine Warren and many, many people psychologists, psychiatrists. They almost had the boy committed and it was like from the beginning of the book. It started out with him on a nice spring evening out in the backyard playing with Tonka Trunks and by the end of the book he's almost dead. And while they were trying to perform this exorcism the Catholic church was there. Ed and Lorraine Warren were there and Arnie Johnson got involved and it said he didn't know the ramifications of what he said because he challenged the demon and told it take me instead. Oh nope.
Speaker 1:Take me instead, don't give it another place to go.
Speaker 3:Well, well, because he didn't know that demon was able to possess two at once. It possessed him and david at the same time. It didn't end and, however, arnie went home to his apartment uh, later that day, the next day, something of that that nature got into a fight with his landlord, and apparently both of them, according to the book, both of them the demon possessed both of them, the landlord and Arnie. And Arnie had a knife with him and he plunged it into the landlord, killed him. He was arrested and his defense was the devil made me do it. Crazy shit. The book was insane. I, I'm I'm gonna have to watch the conjuring three see if they kept up with the, with the book, but um yeah I would say um, never, I mean, even when you're desperate.
Speaker 1:Never offer a demon a place to go right. The only place you want it to go is back to hell. You don't want to I, I don't that. That's a horrible idea, telling it to take you instead, right? Yeah, I, I think that's just there's. Remember the og exorcist there's. There's nothing good that comes of that. You're giving it another place to dwell on earth, don't? I? Don't?
Speaker 2:I highly, very much suggest you never do that, yep so, um, apparently in the original, like conjuring 2 script, um they were gonna show valak's true form, which is like they did very demon-y yeah, like the black the black suit. Shit, yeah, they did, they showed it no, I was like the whole thing you know?
Speaker 1:no, they did they, they showed it when, when she said valak's name, and it started, uh, like deforming and getting taken to hell it turned into that they didn't really show it because it was supposed to look hold on I mean it's supposed to look like that yeah, oh, I mean, they more or less showed that no, they only showed it in shadow. I don't know I, I saw it pretty clearly.
Speaker 3:I mean I only saw it in the shadow behind, behind the nun maybe you were watching on a dark screen oh, all of these movies are shot through a potato fucking.
Speaker 1:The whole movie is fucking dark. Yeah, I know I was trying to watch it while I was working on it and I couldn't. There was just no fucking watching it. It was so dark. We're watching it. Oh yeah, they full show it For like two seconds.
Speaker 3:Yeah, two frames. We didn't get a good shot of it, but, yeah, you're right, they showed the horns. Yeah, two frames. We didn't get a good shot of it, but, yeah, you're right, they showed the horns.
Speaker 2:No, they should have showed more. I liked it. I thought, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I thought it was definitely a little silly, you're pretty funny. Hey, yo, you a bitch for that. And then it leaves.
Speaker 2:You a bitch on God, you a bitch on you-know-who.
Speaker 1:I don't want to say his name or anything, but you-know-who.
Speaker 3:Okay, to bring just a slight bit of humor. Have you ever seen what we Do in the Shadows? Tj, I have the Relentless Nandor the Relentless.
Speaker 1:They call me Nandor the Relentless because I do not relent.
Speaker 3:He went to go get his United States citizenship and they tell him he has to say the oath. He goes. Do I have to say all of it? Do I have to say the last line? He goes. Yes, you have to say it all. He goes. So help me, so help me, so help me.
Speaker 1:And flames fly out of his mouth when he says God, you know? Oh, my God. Okay, so I've been asked that question Would you rather be a werewolf or vampire? Werewolf? I would rather be a vampire, except for the whole condemned to hell, evil, dead, undead being thing. You're damned for eternity, like that sucks. But all the powers of a vampire are so much cooler than that of a werewolf, except for a werewolf.
Speaker 2:Well, okay, hold on. Werewolves aren't actually werewolves?
Speaker 3:They're lichens.
Speaker 2:They're um, I forgot what they're called, but they're just like shapeshifters, that's it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're lichens. That's what. There are. Two types Werewolves change in the moonlight right.
Speaker 1:The full werewolves. Werewolves change in the moonlight. Right the full moon.
Speaker 3:Lichens can change whenever lichens change at will. They could change daytime, nighttime. Now see, that's cooler. That's cooler. I would be okay with that. It was the lichens that the vampires were afraid of, because if the the lichen was the only one who was known this goes back to van helsing the lichen was the only one who could kill dracula, and if the Lycan could kill Dracula, all vampires would die.
Speaker 1:So it's like a mother nest protection type thing.
Speaker 3:Yes, dracula kept the Lycans as slaves and he had basically, he had them turning people into werewolves so that they could never kill him. He wanted all of the lichens exterminated and uh, but he kept the. He kept them as slaves. So it was like keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer tribe members are shapeshifters, not werewolves.
Speaker 2:Their ability to transform into wolves stemming from their ancient spirit warrior heritage that's so gay, that is way gay.
Speaker 3:The whole thing is gay oh hella gay.
Speaker 2:I just thought it was you know Sparkly vampires.
Speaker 1:I did like of all of the, I know what you are.
Speaker 3:Say it, of all of the movies that kind of romanticized all of them, I think Van Helsing was my favorite Because Dracula looked fucking wicked and those fucking bitches his brides were insane. Like they were hot when they were chicks and then they were fucking wicked looking as vampires yeah, fucking twilight is kind of gay.
Speaker 2:Now I'm looking at it, I'm looking at all the Now.
Speaker 3:I know Now.
Speaker 2:All the werewolves in quotation. They all have shorts on, but they're all shirtless.
Speaker 3:They're all frat boys, and it's because you know their clothes rip, but why, would you just have shirts Like shorts are not shirts.
Speaker 1:It's literally frat boys versus.
Speaker 3:It's literally the frat boys versus the emo kids on shorts what you've got to what you've got to do is, uh, if you've never seen it, old school still, the greatest werewolf transformation, an American werewolf in London, like I think it's like 1984.
Speaker 2:That does not sound good, oh it's so good, nobody wants to watch that amongst all the cgi and everything, it's still the best transformation scene something tells me it's not give pops his clicker. Tell him to go watch tv. Yeah, I don't know about that one.
Speaker 3:You guys are fucking lame. To be fair, I'm gonna tell you straight out his first his first experience with TV was silent film, so you know just telling you, the internet agrees with me. You guys are lame.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he saw the first movie. It was just like a train coming towards the screen and he actually it was 1981. It's like whoa, he tried to jump out of the way to jump out of the way.
Speaker 1:He was like oh shit, Almost came out of my television.
Speaker 2:I was thinking about it earlier, Dude, first time I watched Avatar the blue people, not the airbender, the 3D dude. That shit was heat.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that was really cool, that made me believe in 3D because like most of the movies I've seen were those shitty.
Speaker 2:You've never seen Avatar what you should, you should. It's a really good movie, never seen it. James cameron really good movie, never seen. Okay, that incredible. I'll put avatar on the goddamn list because I mean there's definitely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's definitely survival in that one. That's a really good movie, although that is a three hour long movie I'm not gonna watch it it is a very well if it's for an episode I think it's two hours no, it's a three hour long movie, it's literally. It held the record for like one of the longest movies for a long time.
Speaker 3:I'll pull a fucking day zero on you guys. Yeah, but that was a shitty movie.
Speaker 1:This is a real movie. It sucks. You've never seen it, you literally couldn't know Not going to watch it Two hours, 42 minutes.
Speaker 2:The Way of Water, however.
Speaker 1:Two hours and 42 minutes. Three hours and 12 minutes.
Speaker 2:Oh, two hours and 42 minutes, three hours and 12 minutes. Oh my God, yeah, that way, or what. And then there's fucking three more after that that's about to come out Fire and Ash is the next one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, 2025, this year, three hours and 12 minutes, fuck them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to lie though. Avatar, the first one, 2009, still fucking holds up Dude. Two hours 42 minutes of incredible fucking film. The way the water is a fucking three hours.
Speaker 2:yeah, they could have cut down on it a little bit. They could have made it two hours and 45, just like the first one. But they made a whole new way to like mocap in water, because the reason you can't mocap in water is because there's like reflections and shit. So the water in the movie looks so fucking good, dude.
Speaker 1:In the CGI.
Speaker 2:Because the first one already looked great.
Speaker 1:I swear you wait for me to start talking before you start talking again he does.
Speaker 2:There's delay, motherfucker.
Speaker 1:There's delay, the first one holds up really well, and two hours and 42 minutes, it really doesn't feel like that. I think by the time you're halfway through the movie you're like damn, this is a long movie.
Speaker 3:But you're still engaged the whole time.
Speaker 1:But there is that realization that why are you so against it?
Speaker 3:You've never seen it no wonder, why you guys fucking love Twilight so much.
Speaker 1:I literally could not hate Twilight more.
Speaker 2:Okay, we were just clowning on it the whole time. Two is two hours and 14 minutes.
Speaker 1:You guys are clearly. Yeah, that's a whole 30 minutes less. Both of you are clearly gay for pay. Where is this coming from? You want to lose?
Speaker 3:I just hate Avatar.
Speaker 2:Why You've never seen it?
Speaker 3:Because it was made such a big deal of and then afterwards everybody was like yeah, it was so great, it was so great. Well, yeah, there were some problems, Like oh go fuck yourselves.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? It was a fantastic. It's a film. This isn't like a the.
Speaker 3:I separate movie from film okay, whenever you say film, I know I'm gonna hate it the conjuring 2.
Speaker 1:A movie, this avatar, that's a fucking film, dude. It's directed by james cameron.
Speaker 2:I will choose fucking avatar I, I'm tempted I will fucking do it, I will just so he'll fucking watch it and he'll be like, oh yeah, it was good it has Sigourney Weaver in it.
Speaker 1:I don't care. Okay, fuck you.
Speaker 3:If Sigourney Weaver ain't playing Ripley, I don't care.
Speaker 2:I mean what kind?
Speaker 3:of name is Sigourney Zoe.
Speaker 1:Saldana. Yeah, she plays yeah, she plays the main chick. She's an incredible actress.
Speaker 2:It's a fucking star-studded cast.
Speaker 3:I mean with the extent, I don't even know who the fuck's sam worth and I hear her fucking blue person.
Speaker 2:I don't care, I don't care. She got a tail, bro. We could, she could wrap it around.
Speaker 1:I agree with that. You know what I'm saying. We can do shit with that. We could.
Speaker 2:We could make that work, I agree oh damn michelle, we could, we could get down and dirty in front of AWOL On God I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe I'd take back Star Studded, but it's a fucking really good movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the reason they chose Sam Worthington was because he wasn't like super, super well known.
Speaker 3:Hey, you want to wrap this up anytime soon. No, I'm having fun.
Speaker 2:This is going to be three hours and 45 minutes.
Speaker 1:You're trying to lose sooner. This is going to be a film Alex.
Speaker 3:A film.
Speaker 1:To be a record.
Speaker 2:Werewolves in fucking London, where we were talking about. That's a movie. This is what we're doing right now Film.
Speaker 1:Film it's going to suck Anytime.
Speaker 3:you guys say that.
Speaker 1:Alright. Well, I've been tallying up the points, guys, and it's so close, but TJ wins. Yay, you're gay for pay. Tj wins. Because I only gave out three points this entire episode. I was wondering because you didn't say shit, it was for the three, it was for the three, just yeah. I hey, I do like the conversation the val, the valix, everywhere that I.
Speaker 2:I thought that shit was super dope. I had to share that that was cool.
Speaker 1:I really like that.
Speaker 2:I love little details like that, the fact that you caught the necklace or the bracelet crazy because that is so subtle, this monitor in the middle it's I got it from like my ps5 4k uhd.
Speaker 1:It's great I mean, I mean, you saw that shit. That was. I was also like I was doing shit while I was watching the movie, so I really was not paying attention. I just so happened to be watching like actually watching when I saw the VAL and I was like, wait a minute. And that's when I went back and looked at it.
Speaker 2:Hey, Josh, you are very late. We're at the end.
Speaker 1:We are at the end. I won, TJ won. All right, so TJ winner's speech.
Speaker 2:I would like to thank our glorious host for choosing another Conjuring movie, because I kind of wanted to go through some of these. You're welcome.
Speaker 3:You're welcome. What's the Conjuring 3?
Speaker 1:Is that the devil made me do it? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:So I think I have seen that one. I haven't, but, like really most of the Conjuring movies I have not seen.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 2:The Nun Never seen it, annabelle.
Speaker 1:Besides 1, 2, and 3, the rest are very mediocre.
Speaker 2:But I still like them. And then they're actually coming out with another one soon Really.
Speaker 1:Like conjuring name brand title Amityville, amityville, finally, maybe I don't know they're doing something, but yeah, no.
Speaker 2:Thank you to the listeners for believing in me and thank you to Alex for sucking.
Speaker 1:All right, Alex Loser speech.
Speaker 3:You guys are gay for pay. Clearly this was done because you, standing cartwheel, 69'd each other. You're not helping. This is bogus bullshit fraud. You made me do most of the talking through this episode and you still lost. The most TJ said was Jesus.
Speaker 2:That was funny. I feel like that should have earned a point too. He didn't even get a point for that you know what's crazy. As Mr Milchick says, devour feculents what it means eat shit.
Speaker 1:Okay, I got it. I'm following.
Speaker 2:People who watch Severance will get that.
Speaker 1:You guys should watch that. It's good. Kit kiano in the I'm not saying kit kiano, I'm saying that's his name in our chat said I could not get into the conjuring because I find them as almost an action horror.
Speaker 2:That's how I felt about this one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the type of the first one felt more like a horror movie.
Speaker 2:This second one felt way more hollywood, like action and I don't know, I don't love it to feel very hollywood cash. Yeah, that's why I don't watch them I didn't love it.
Speaker 1:I like. I don't really like annabelle. I don't really like annabelle creation. I didn't like the nun. Really I liked nun. I like them all because I like them for being dumb. They're entertaining but they're not. They're not good like horror, like that.
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Speaker 1:All right. Well, I think that wraps up this episode. Thank you for all of our listeners for listening. Thank you for our live audience for being here. If you'd like to join us, we record Friday nights around 10.30 PST PM.
Speaker 3:PDT.
Speaker 1:Isn't it Pacific Standard Time? Pacific Daylight Time? Oh, because we're in daylight, the fact that you knew that feels dumb 10.30 PM.
Speaker 3:The fact that you didn't know this 10.30 PM on the West Coast.
Speaker 1:That's when we record. You should come check us out on TikTok and join in the live audience, and then maybe we'll read your comment on a live episode. But until then, until our next movie where TJ will be hosting, stay alive.
Speaker 2:Hit the road, jack, don't you come back. No more, no more, no more, no more. Thank you.
