Will You Survive... The Podcast
Immerse yourself in the world of cinema as we embark on a journey to equip you with the skills to tackle any disaster head-on. Through the lens of thrilling tales, particularly those of the zombie apocalypse, we'll unravel the secrets of preparedness. Join us as we explore the silver screen to empower you for the challenges that lie ahead.
Will You Survive... The Podcast
Will You Survive "The Grey": Wolf Teeth, Shotgun Shells, and No Hope in Sight
We dive deep into the 2011 film "The Gray" starring Liam Neeson to analyze its survival scenarios and separate Hollywood fiction from wilderness reality.
• Examining the film's portrayal of wolf behavior vs. actual timber wolf territorial patterns
• Discussing why the wolves' aggressiveness was dramatically exaggerated for cinematic effect
• Exploring realistic survival priorities after a plane crash in freezing conditions
• Analyzing improvised wound care options including pine sap and tobacco
• Debating the practicality of the "boomstick" weapon and why it wouldn't work in reality
• Breaking down the river scene and why immersion in freezing water is almost certainly fatal
• Considering the psychological aspects of choosing when to stop fighting impossible odds
• Evaluating what equipment from the plane crash would be most valuable for survival
• Identifying the critical importance of fire-making abilities in sub-zero environments
• Addressing how altitude, injuries, and environmental factors compound survival challenges
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Hello survivors and welcome to another episode of Will you Survive? No.
Speaker 2:I won't the Podcast.
Speaker 1:I am your host today, alex. I'm joined by my co-hosts. The no, I wouldn't is Eric and the podcast is TJ.
Speaker 3:Hi, my name is Eric.
Speaker 1:I am the podcast is tj. Hi. My name is eric. I am the podcast. Today we are going to talk about survival situations in the movie the gray starring liam neeson from 2011. Uh, but just first reactions, guys. What did you think of the movie?
Speaker 2:tj. I mean, I won't spoil our uh, you know, end of season tier list, but I'd rate it somewhere up there, somewhere, really yeah.
Speaker 1:That's pretty decent.
Speaker 2:I actually I did not like this. I haven't watched it since the first time I watched it and when it came out I did not like it and like the ending. But I've changed.
Speaker 1:You know my tastes grow as a human being, so you know it's better, so you like it a little more now than when you watched it first, when it first came out yeah okay, all right you, wow, I.
Speaker 3:I really liked this movie. I thought it was uh, it's very like emotion, I don't know invoking it was really good movie, I thought it was. Uh, I don't think you survive it because you know no one in the movie survives.
Speaker 1:But that we know of I guess, technically we did see, we'll get there as for me, um, I always hate to say that tj is ever right, but I have to rate this as a mid-level movie. Um, I say mid only because of the ending. The ending really got me, uh, it lost me. I hate those open ending open ended endings, especially when it didn't need to be now, but what?
Speaker 3:what about the after-credits scene? Did that change your mind?
Speaker 1:No, I think it just kind of furthered. We had a discussion, listeners, before we started recording. We were talking about this and at the end there's an after-credits scene where it shows the wolf flying taking its last breaths.
Speaker 2:And Otway too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we assume that he was alive. He was breathing. It showed him he was moving.
Speaker 2:His body was moving with the wolf, yeah, but you couldn't really tell if it was him moving or the wolf, just like breathing and moving his head I see, that's what I thought I thought it was, I thought it was obviously him.
Speaker 3:I thought they were both taking their last breath.
Speaker 1:This is great. This is going to be more conversation at the end, so getting into the beginning, it it? Let us know right away that liam neeson is a hunter of wolves, so clearly he's gonna know what he's talking about when it comes to the species. Except he didn't.
Speaker 2:Well, he kind of did well, no, like basic shit, though, okay a lot of what he said was right.
Speaker 3:In this universe? No, but in this universe. If he in this universe, he's right with everything that he said. But on Earth, wolves don't act that way. No, no, no.
Speaker 1:I didn't say that Everything he said was accurate, in that wolves will defend their den. Those are the aggressive wolves. Of all of the wolf attacks on humans, the most fatal have been aggressive, which means you stumble on their den, you're near their cubs and they will lash out with everything they have to defend their home. It's almost you could probably consider it accidental, because they're not hunting you, they're not trying to unalive a human.
Speaker 1:You walked up on them and they're not hunting you, they're not trying to unalive a human. No, you walked into their house, right, you walked up on them and they're young, are there. So they're going to. And one of the things he said when you're in their home, they're not afraid of anything. I think that's an exaggeration, but they will defend, even if they're afraid. They're not going to run away from their cubs. They're going to stay there and fight regardless of fear.
Speaker 3:Exactly Well, well. That's why I think that the only death that was sensible in this movie was otway at the very end yeah, other than that, all the other ones seemed not at all like we'll.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, we'll agree with that, just like fucking dicks for no reason, they're not even near the den at the start of the movie and they're just beefing. They're just like they're. They want to run fades.
Speaker 3:That's just they're in the middle of nowhere. They crashed in the middle of no trees in the middle of nowhere, these wolves went outside of hunting area to go check out this plane crash like they would never do that.
Speaker 2:They're within 50 miles of our den. We gotta murk them now don't even eat them either.
Speaker 1:Now, one of the things I will say is uh yeah, they're just hunting for sport, they're not. They're not even eat them either.
Speaker 3:Now one of the things I will say is uh yeah, they're just hunting for sport, they're not.
Speaker 1:They're not even eating them he vastly underestimated, uh, what many people believe a gray wolf's hunting territory is. Um, he said it was anywhere from 100 to 300 miles. Uh, what I found looking it up is it could be up to 1,000 square miles.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I read anywhere from 50 to 1,000, depending on the scarcity of food Right and other factors and their territory, range and the size of the wolves. Yeah, and their territory range, I believe, is smaller than that. Their territory range is like 50 miles or something 50 to 100 miles.
Speaker 1:That's usually where and they did a good job with that the first wolf, remember, they came up and I think this was the one yeah, this was the one that they attacked and they unalived it.
Speaker 2:Was this the alpha? And he goes no, this was the omega.
Speaker 1:It's the outcast. And it's funny because everything I read is the omega is the outcast that they send. I love the internet called it. The omega is the scapegoat. So the alpha will use the omega as the um, the slaughter. You're the sacrifice, go, you go, do it and they'll. They'll do it because they're either too weak to fend for themselves, they need the rest of the pack, and if the rest of the pack can achieve the goal by using the omega, they'll do it and they'll save the omega if they can. But it's, it's um. We, we have to agree.
Speaker 3:In this movie they very, very uh, they used some very exaggerated scenes with how the wolves behaved yeah wolves are very shy, they're very timid, especially from humans yeah, they don't like humans, they we're also, we're not their food. They don't want to eat us, right? Um, because, well, I think part of it. Tj and I were talking about this. We were wondering when they were cooking that first wolf. We were thinking like, oh man, I kind of wish I could try some. I'm sure it would taste like shit. Awful, it would taste horrible. But how many people get to say they've tasted wolf? Yeah, like actual wolf. I was wolf, yeah like actual.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was also. I only know one guy, and then yeah with, uh, you know how he cut the wolf's head off and he was like look, look at what I've done. You know, uh, I would, I would hike, he'd be the same way, except I would have to take, like that pelt with me, you know like I would just you know just for the flex dude if you got like a whole wolf pelt on you I gotta tell you the thing that I would have done.
Speaker 1:Uh different with that I. I understood he acted out of pure emotion, I get it, but maybe I'm just sick like this. But I had thought what he was gonna do was mount yep the head on a stick put it on that's what I said, yeah I, I would.
Speaker 3:That's what we were talking about is I was saying I, I would put it on a stake. There's something, there's something so primal about that. It's like a very primal instinct where it's like you want to scare away your attacker, put one of their heads on a stake right by your territory. Yep, that shows them I'm not fucking around yep, that's like when, um, what? How do they say that about? About rats to leave a dead rat for a little bit? No, what do they say that about?
Speaker 3:wait uh, give me the context. There's a way to get rid of a certain creature by, like, leaving the the dead honestly like small, very small scale ants yeah, it's a way to it deters them because they're like oh, we're all dying here, I'm not gonna go here yeah, they'll move, so they go somewhere else, like a rational creature would. What's funny?
Speaker 1:is from our perspective. If you look at at how ants do it, it seems like it's a nonsensical thing to do because they'll move and they only go like down the wall. But when you put it in perspective to the ant that's like that's got to be the equivalent of hundreds of miles it moved so far down and it's still there from us.
Speaker 1:We're like you assholes. You just moved from like here to there. It's like four feet, you know. No, we'll go a little longer than that, like eight feet. Like you moved across to the other side of my room, you jerks, you know, you didn't. I didn't do anything. Well, you actually did. It's just perspective. Um, so I want to take you guys into the airplane. When they crashed, uh, I think they did a couple of things good, a couple of things, things bad. Number one I would not be focused on alcohol. What kind of things would you guys be looking for in that crash?
Speaker 3:Well, I actually do think the alcohol was a good call One, because of how cold it is. I do think alcohol at least gives you a sensation of being warm, and that could be handy.
Speaker 2:I think it would make you more comfortable.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it could be handy that could be the difference between life and death, you know in this very uncomfortable situation to preserve a little bit of sanity, as long as you don't abuse it. But also I was thinking like the clear. The clear alcohol is. If you could find vodka or something. It's not the best, but you could use that as a sterilization I think for for wounds.
Speaker 2:So it's what we found out it. So we were. You know, when he comes up upon that first wolf and it's like eating the, the flight attendant, yeah, um, and he gets bit by it, I'm like, yeah, that's going to get infected.
Speaker 3:That's the first thing I thought what the hell are they going to clean it with Right? I was thinking what kind of bacteria is in a wolf's mouth? Yeah, it with right. I was thinking what kind of bacteria is in a wolf's mouth? Yeah, that's all I was thinking, because anytime I get bit at work from domestic dogs, I'm like I gotta clean this we went down the list.
Speaker 2:We're like well, they don't have water, they have snow. Snow has bacteria in it. That's a no-go if they don't have alcohol. What else could they use?
Speaker 3:and I was like maybe jet fuel, I will say does not work. We looked it up.
Speaker 2:No it, yeah exactly and it has bacteria in it. Did you know that did?
Speaker 3:you. Yeah, we were talking about it and he was like. He was like I don't know, maybe I use like jet fuel. I was like I that that wouldn't even be in my consideration probably has antibacterial.
Speaker 3:I was like I would never consider jet fuel in my life to put on an open wound. I was like I don't, I can't imagine jet fuel into your bloodstream is good, no. And I was like, well, let's take it to chat gbt, what does it have to say? And it was like absolutely, do not fucking put jet fuel in your body.
Speaker 1:Are you for real? Yeah, that gets into your bloodstream. It can poison you it was like toxicity, um.
Speaker 3:It also said that the second the jet fuel touches an open wound, it'll start to cause necrosis on your muscle, yeah, and then, on top of that, it is not sterile, so it introduces a whole realm of different bacteria into your open wound Right.
Speaker 2:Not my best idea, not a good idea. So in that case, I think I said carterization would probably be like the best way that could be something To like kill something.
Speaker 1:There's something else with that. Is I. There's something else with that. I don't know how many people know this Jet fuel does not combust by a lighter. Yep, we talked about that too.
Speaker 3:Because we mentioned this when we were talking about DIY traps and I think TJ actually made the trench of zombies with jet fuel or with rocket fuel or something and you were like, but it doesn't combust.
Speaker 1:So we brought that up that yeah, it wouldn't work everything on the flashpoint like it will combust, yeah, what's funny is and diesel and jet fuel are almost the same. It's jet fuel is super refined diesel, right, so it's like it's super pure as far as petroleum goes, not pure like sterile um. But when you look at how a diesel engine works, it works on compression.
Speaker 3:There is no spark plug exactly so that's presses it so tight. That's what we're talking about the molecules start because in the trench I was like I'll just stomp on it really hard and that'll, that'll that'll make it light, so you didn't like that answer then with that.
Speaker 1:Uh, they did do something smart that I thought um, oh wait. I want to go back to one thing. You had said snow has bacteria. The one thing that I would say to counter that is they had so much freshly fallen snow that you could probably get away with eating the snow well, they also.
Speaker 3:They were clearly able to make tons of fires, yeah, so they could just boil some water and but like I'm saying, when you have that much fresh fallen snow, you don't have to worry about purifying it.
Speaker 1:If you could capture rainwater in a jug like fresh fallen rain in Alaska, don't do this in Los Angeles unless it's been raining for an extended period of time, because all the chemicals in the sky All the chemicals in the air. It's going to bring it all down first, but it's all a conspiracy. So you wait, you wait. You know three, four, five days after it's been raining consistently, then you can start capturing the rainwater and drinking it straight if you're in los angeles but if you're in alaska you could capture that snow, I bet, fresh out of the air.
Speaker 1:And you know, eat it, drink it you. You want to melt it, warm it up because you're already freezing cold, so, but they can make the fires no problem as we've been talking, I've been trying to think of another way that he could have cleaned his wound.
Speaker 2:You know, because, like dirty wounds you gotta take care of uh. So I was just going through my brain. I'm like what the fuck do they have around them? I was like I'm pretty sure pine tree sap is good for healing shit. I think I heard that somewhere so I just googled it.
Speaker 1:Uh, pine sap is a natural antiseptic and antibacterial so I don't know how much they could get, because you know it's kind of frozen up there, so I don't know if like the shit in the trees frozen well, it would be very, very difficult because most of those, if you noticed, most of them were um barren, but when they got no, they weren't, most of them were the first ones that they went into the first one they had no leaves, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:But the second one were like full green pine trees with also no snow. Tj pointed out after a fresh blizzard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no snow on the trees, yeah, but before we leave the the plane, I wanted to ask you guys something, because they grabbed a lot of stuff, right? Oh yeah, they clearly had, um, a lot of wood, still they had things. Wouldn't you have tried to grab something to use as some sort of a walking stick slash weapon?
Speaker 2:yeah, I was thinking snowshoes, make some fucking snowshoes. Take some fabric, turn it into like a string, get something flat that you can strap to your feet so they're not sinking three feet into the snow as they're walking because the wolves like the padding from the seats maybe the snow like nothing, because that they run on top of it, did you? See it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that's a really interesting point that I would never have thought of because I've never really lived in a snow environment would be to make snowshoes. What I was thinking would be like I'm just trying to think of obscure things that I might need in the future, which are things that they ended up having buckles and and some form of like rope, like seat belts and stuff like that. Um, I'd be grabbing random shit. If I'm being honest, I'd go for food, alcohol and random stuff so I want to throw, maybe I'd also be a wallet carry guy because this is valid to our, uh, to our topic.
Speaker 1:Nerdy vet chimed in and had said uh, tobacco can be used, and I I looked it up on the fly because he said that while tobacco itself is not an antibiotic, the, the product in it, the nicotine, has antimicrobial properties. And they clearly had cigarettes and stuff with them, so there was there was an ability to.
Speaker 2:They could, like you know, take the tobacco, put it in some snow, let it boil, you know, next to the fire, and then kind of reduce that down into like a goop. You know, yeah, yeah, that might work. That could get the, you know, next to the fire and then kind of reduce that down into like a goop, you know yeah yeah, that might work. That could get the you know most amount of nicotine out some something like that right like I mean, I'd be using it as dip because I'm a fiend, but you know I mean that would.
Speaker 1:that would be kind of good. Now you get out, as you guys had had pointed out, when you start making it, making your way down to the tree line, if we would have grabbed something. As you were talking about snowshoes, I thought, like the seats, the old seats to the airplane lightweight I mean most of the plane's hull is aluminum You'd have to be able to find scraps of aluminum. The thing was shredded to pieces, can?
Speaker 3:I bring up something here. Yeah, I think all up to this point is mostly luck on whether or not you survive, because surviving the plane crash is the first thing and I think that is purely luck for the most part, as long as you weren't unbuckled standing around. If you're buckled in your seat, it's really just odd.
Speaker 2:It's also good whether you have fresh snow, because that yeah added a little bit of impact.
Speaker 3:I think I'd be wildly uncomfortable and miserable. But if I survived the plane crash and I was in his position, I I hate the cold but I think I could survive. I could survive that first night, all the emotional stuff. I don't think I would die to the wolf right away but crossing the planes I'm a small guy. They were getting stuck down to their knees.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And these are tall dudes.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm not making it, he would get through that plane.
Speaker 1:Speaking of which, what is Liam Neeson? Is he like 6'3"?
Speaker 3:Is he a big dude? Let me look that up. I thought he was like 5'10". While you look that, up.
Speaker 1:I'll point out again NerdyVet said something good. You had just said this too, tj but this is now 6'4".
Speaker 2:Yeah, so this is now confirmed. It's June 7th, the day before my birthday, crazy.
Speaker 1:I'm into my thighs of snow in this situation, I think we could call this fact confirmed that you can in fact boil down cigarette tobacco into a salve and use it for healing property.
Speaker 2:It's healing property. See, I'm just talking out of my ass, but I just got a natural survival skill Just saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, how do you make a salve? How would you?
Speaker 1:Okay, goddammit Nerdy's coming up with the good ones. The wolves wouldn't go after you anyway.
Speaker 3:The wolves wouldn't go after you anyway, you're too skinny, I mean true, they'd run past me and I'm like guys wait behind you, oh, eric also said I'd get blown away by the wind, is what?
Speaker 2:he said yeah, genuinely, that wind would genuinely blow me away.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So here's the thing I'm not a big dude. I'm quite literally a foot shorter than Liam Neeson. I'm into my thighs of that snow trying to trudge through it. I'm not gonna make it. And then, um, the wind blowing. I mean, I guess the only saving grace there is that I'm thigh deep in snow.
Speaker 2:I don't think I'm blowing anywhere, yeah but unless you're light enough to walk across the top of the snow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was fresh powdered snow, though he's like freaking legolas and in lord of the rings, walking on top of the snow where everybody's buried in it that was fresh powdered snow.
Speaker 3:That's another thing. Like this is completely unpaved, untamed wild lands of snow. Yeah, I'm not making it through, so I die on the planes right there I would say this um, you asked how do you make that salve with tobacco?
Speaker 1:you just you break apart the cigarettes, you pour, put the tobacco in your pan right, we're just going to make up a term right now. Put it in your pan and you melt it down with a carrier oil. In this case, you'd probably have to use the pine sap. You have to be able to get at least a little bit of pine sap. Now, you would traditionally want to use something else, like beeswax, but we wouldn't have it, so you would have to use what you have, right.
Speaker 3:You're not going beeswax, but we wouldn't have it, so you would have to use what you have, right?
Speaker 1:um, okay, because I was thinking wax in alaska I was thinking water, not, not, no, you need an oil that that makes sense, that makes a lot more sense than what I was imagining um, but you know the pine pine sap actually uh melts pretty quickly. It has a fairly low they.
Speaker 2:They also had shotgun shells which you could uh if the wound's real deep and it needs to be closed they could dump black powder in there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would love to talk about the boomsticks.
Speaker 1:Uh well, let's talk about them, yeah I don't know, should I say mine first?
Speaker 2:I'm gonna say mine first yes, and I want to know what you guys think, because we already I personally thought that was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1:I thought great for ingenuity A for ingenuity F for application. I don't think it would ever work the way that they set it out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so here's the thing about that. First of all, I'm no engineer, but I do like to try to make random things, have twigs and sticks, and the sticks are never as strong as you think they are, and I definitely don't think that you're not going to be able to get that tip of that spear sharp enough to act as a pin to act as a firing pin to hit the primer, but like I don't think it's going to work because the whole point is to create a spark. That's the whole point of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you're not going to create a spark with wood I mean not not necessarily a spark, because the spark will create, if you can depress the if you hit the pin hard, but that's what I mean.
Speaker 2:You're not gonna, you're not gonna make a spark with wood in there.
Speaker 3:It's not gonna work because the first of all, the sticks surrounding the shotgun shell and the and the spear holding it together and then taped together. I don't think that holds when you jam it into a wriggling wolf. It's not going to work.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, all things being perfect, it would probably still not work, especially not on the first try.
Speaker 3:So I was asking TJ even if it does work, let's say it somehow is strong enough, and when you press it into the wolf it goes off. What does that do? Nothing, really.
Speaker 2:I think it would be more for scaring. It is what.
Speaker 3:I say, yeah, loud bang, it would just be a loud bang, right, it wouldn't really even do that much damage, other than maybe a little bit of singed hair.
Speaker 2:But it's not releasing those pellets at enough velocity to do any damage.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:I told him I would look for like, like piping or something in the plane that would like fit the circumference of the the shell. You could put it in there and then maybe hit it with, like I don't know, a rock or something, and just like yeah make shift shotgun.
Speaker 3:So he found he found the gun. What was wrong with the gun?
Speaker 1:cowboy, it was broken like broken in half it was broken. Yeah, it was. It wasn't disconnected, it was snapped. So there's no putting that back together. He didn't have the right glue. He didn't have his wood glue with him.
Speaker 2:I want to give a Speaking of wood glue. You can make glue out of.
Speaker 1:Pine sap.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I want to give a shout out to Cowboy who says a good point to those shotgun sticks is you would have to have hit bone on the wolf for there to be enough resistance, exactly On both ends.
Speaker 3:Because it's going to be. You're just going to hit meat, that's it, and it's going to absorb the hit.
Speaker 1:Right, right, right right. It's not enough of a jolt. Yeah, you're not hitting wood.
Speaker 3:You're not hitting a metal Right. Yeah, I don't see that ever working. I think using the shells for gunpowder is a much better use of your resources than the boomstick. Although in the movie. The boomstick worked and once again they could have made a boom boom.
Speaker 2:Nerdy makes a good point. They had a handful of jet fuel.
Speaker 1:Nerdy Vet makes a good point that we got to clarify. We do not recommend anybody use gunpowder for cauterizing wounds. We were talking in this situation as you have the worst situation, you are in the worst situation. You have no medical supplies, you have no capability of of uh treating, cauterizing or sealing a wound.
Speaker 2:You have gunpowder saying you know, hey, doc, while I'm in surgery dump some powder in me and just light me ablaze very, very bad idea.
Speaker 1:It could potentially cause more harm than good yeah, no, no, definitely not we but it will stop.
Speaker 2:We live in a modern, that's the main thing we live in a modern society.
Speaker 3:If you're not in a dire emergency, you're about to die within seconds. Like go to a doctor, don't don't use gunpowder, but in an emergency situation you're stranded in Alaska with wolves hunting you. I wouldn't be opposed to trying it. I've seen it in a movie, maybe. Do you think that would actually work? I feel like it would Gunpowder. Yeah, yeah, I feel like that.
Speaker 1:It would for the purposes that we're talking about.
Speaker 3:It would seal the wound.
Speaker 1:It would cauterize the wound. Is it a good idea? The wound? Is it a good idea? No, what could also happen is you can cause major infection. You could have uncontrollable burns because you don't use the right amount of powder. Um, you don't know exactly what is going to happen and, by the way, the the powder the powder will burn, uh, even even while smothered. So, being inside of your body, it can still burn without oxygen for a little bit. You know.
Speaker 2:Until it, until the fuel runs out or it into a gaping stomach wound. I'm just yeah, this is we all agree. We all agree this.
Speaker 1:This was in their situation they're running away from a predator that's hunting them. It would have been so much cooler, I think, if they would have gone grizzly bear because I was thinking that I do it would have been funny if it was like you know.
Speaker 2:They got to the point where they're running from the wolves in the forest and then all of a sudden, grizzlies.
Speaker 3:Just a pack doesn't even make sense, doesn't even make sense kills, kills all the wolves and then goes after them after them, starts hunting them, but a grizzly will go after you. Yeah, they're definitely asleep at that time, see I definitely thought but like the thing about a grizzly is like it would pretty much be one big fight. Oh yeah, and then that'd be that yeah, they'd be, you know picking them off one by one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're not really endurance hunters, they're more messy up and hope you're done the the bear would go in try to kill as many as it can and if they they managed to really wound it, it would run off to go lick its wounds.
Speaker 1:And for those of you listening on the podcast, when this comes out on our regular forum, if you want to participate in the live episode, come to our TikTok Search. Will you Survive the Podcast we usually record on Fridays, come check it out, participate. You can send your comments and I to say uh, another one that came in brought up, uh, some of the other facts that I want to move on to now. We've already agreed. Uh, this was what can we say? Fantastic. They made out the wolves to be something that they're not. But, putting that aside, um, do you agree that they did a pretty good job of identifying the family unit of the wolf pack?
Speaker 3:yeah, I think there's. There's one specific moment that I really like. Um, it was right before they kill the first wolf, where they hear the alpha wolf, uh, as otway says, put down some one of the wolves that were challenging it. I like how that happens. And then right after otway puts down diaz and kind of puts him in his place yeah, it was, it was an exact side by side.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was a parallel that the wolf alpha had to had to tell one had to tell one of his men to back off and and stand down, and so did otway. Otway had to step in and tell one of his guys to knock his shit off as well yeah, which.
Speaker 1:So I thought they did a good job of that. The one thing that I noticed they did not do in this every every bit of literature that I could find on this and disclaimer I am no animal expert. I don't know wolves. I don't deal with wolves in the wild. I do know that these would have been gray wolves in the Alaskan, or timber wolves as they're known in the Alaskan wilderness. They usually operate on a alpha couple. There's an alpha male and an alpha female.
Speaker 3:So I have a question, though Wolves don't typically act this way because they're, I would. Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I would assume that because they do know of humans, right? What about wolves that are so deep into the Alaska wilderness that maybe they've never seen a person before? Oh no, no, that wouldn't make sense, because they found logging. They found logging marks in the woods so the wolves had to have known.
Speaker 3:You just gotta chalk it up to it being a movie, you know yeah, because like okay, that still brings up like they do in jaws or in yeah shallow, but that still brings up my point, though, where it's like um, what about the wolves that are so far removed from civilization that they may not even know about humans? Do you think if humans were randomly dropped into their situation, that they would feel threatened enough to hunt?
Speaker 2:them down.
Speaker 3:I think they'd be curious, because that's different than wolves who know of humans and are like oh, I don't want to really mess with these guys.
Speaker 1:I would agree with TJ. I would not think that they would try to hunt, and the reason why is think of what they just witnessed If they're not familiar with humans they just witnessed this humongous thing fall from the sky.
Speaker 1:That weird tree is on fire, Fire which all animals universally know and recognize as stay away from that. Right, that hurts, don't go near that. And humans, this, this beast, this beast that's walk, that walks on two legs, is walking out of that fire. They don't seem to be afraid of it. They make this fire. No, I don't think they would be interested in hunting. Humans definitely believe curiosity. Now I've also read that curiosity in wildlife can also cause a lot of attacks because the animal may get too close to humans and the humans don't know how to react. Around the animals they scare each other and bite, bite, bite, yell, scream, run. But that's typically how wolves act. They're very shy, they're very timid around humans.
Speaker 3:So I don't know, know, I've never been face to face with a wolf, I've never really seen a lot of wolves, um, so I'm not sure how you're supposed to react with them. However, I do know dogs and I know how you're supposed to react with domestic dogs. Um, as one of my favorite trainers has said, uh, most quote-unquote aggressive dogs are punk ass bitches. They don't actually want to do shit, they're looking for a reaction out of you yeah and if they come charging you and you don't move, that's a little freaky to them.
Speaker 3:That's why most no I'm not saying all the time you could get a really bad dog, but most of the time the ones who are charging you aren't at like the. The really bad dogs aren't typically charging you. So if there's a dog charging you and you hold your ground, there's like a 99 chance that dog's gonna stop right in front of you and just start barking at you because they're looking for you to run away and act like prey well, everything that I read about wolves from this this movie actually said the same thing is.
Speaker 1:Even the territorial aggression that they portray in this movie is massively exaggerated that wolves would rather try to scare you and drive you away. They want to push you away, just like you're saying. They're going to charge at you and they're going to howl and they're going to scream and make all their noise. And I think it would have worked. All of these guys would have been afraid and they would have moved away from the sounds, right, or in their case, I guess they moved into them. But, to be fair, the wolves attacked them first, which yeah, that's the one thing that wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 1:All literature says is unrealistic. Now they could have been starving. Maybe we can make up excuses, but the absolute aggression and fact that they were hunting these men the whole way through is what makes it unrealistic they don't typically do that, not starving.
Speaker 2:You see how many freaking dead things were in their den yeah, they're just true.
Speaker 1:Beefing for no reason.
Speaker 2:They're just like yo.
Speaker 1:Fuck these guys and in that region they would have had plenty of, if not moose, they would have had caribou, yeah like there's, there's tons of animals.
Speaker 2:Any other animals?
Speaker 1:it's true. That's true too.
Speaker 3:That's a good point it was just well, I don't know, they weren't particularly quiet anywhere they were going well, that's true, you're right.
Speaker 1:You're right, prey is usually skittish they're gonna run away. They're not gonna want to be near you, um which I guess we could make an example, you know, we could make an argument that the uh wolves were pissed off at them because we drove away the humans, drove away their prey grounds but like the thing, but it still doesn't excuse why they attacked them initially.
Speaker 1:Right, they were so far away from their, from their den it doesn't make any sense so I did want to bring up a point. I wonder if you guys feel the same way I do about they cross this cliff, this gorge, right to get away from the wolves there's no way that first guy made that jump I mean that was nuts, but, but nonetheless I think you're gonna bring oh yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're going to bring up how the wolves get on the other side.
Speaker 3:Literally.
Speaker 2:I was like, no, it's easy boys.
Speaker 3:We either jump or we face the wolves and then they jump and there's still wolves.
Speaker 2:They jump and they face the wolves. They're just there.
Speaker 3:I'm like so we did all that for nothing. At the bottom thing he's freaking, you know, with his daughter, but that's the best way to go considering what was actually happening to him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was bad also, which is like black dude, went out like a bitch. Ain't no way. Oh, there's the altitude. There's not enough oxygen. You are not that high up. There are trees with leaves on them that are alive. The further you go up, the less trees there are. There are a shitload of trees right next to you. There's a lot of oxygen.
Speaker 1:Or carbon dioxide, actually, that's true, yeah, but trees also produce oxygen. They're putting out oxygen.
Speaker 3:So the more trees there are, and also I don't know. I don't know much about hypoxia, so I really don't have much of an opinion on this, but I also do think it's a little bullshit, like asthma or something.
Speaker 2:What well that would have made sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like she's having an asthma attack and we're in high, high altitude I just think I I I kind of forgive it because I think it might have been a directorial problem because he came, he was having problems when they crashed, so I think they were trying to tell us that he had some sort of an injury from the crash. But I can't defend that position because he was hurting and he was sick he was coughing you're right from the beginning, something like that.
Speaker 2:I thought, like they said something about you know, like you know, we crashed at, like you know, 400 or whatever miles per hour or some shit I kind of thought about that for a second. I'm like you know that could cost no that's.
Speaker 3:that's gonna see something. Something that I try to do with these movies is I really try to put myself in that position. You just got out of a plane crash. Every single muscle in your body hurts if you survived. And then, on top of the shock and the freezing cold and I don't know, yeah. I really think like surviving all of that is so much luck, whether or not your body can, especially in that, can just get through that.
Speaker 2:I asked, eric, I'm like you, ever been so cold that it burns? Yes, it's like the worst thing.
Speaker 3:Yes, dude, I got that at big bear and that's nowhere near as cold as this. I've experienced alaska cold. I would never want to have to go through this so this is the um it was, it was the wild, so I've been as far as fairbanks, which is like deep Alaska.
Speaker 1:Well it was right, it was the wild.
Speaker 3:So I've been as far as Fairbanks, which is like middle Alaska, but they seem to be maybe a little further north than that. But they said they were on their way to Anchorage right, which is pretty south.
Speaker 2:What was their job? Were they like oil?
Speaker 3:people. They were riggers, right Oil riggers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then he just took care of the wolves if they came up.
Speaker 3:That was his job, yeah which is also like I don't think would be a necessary job considering wolf behavior. But maybe I don't understand something.
Speaker 1:Maybe it's a little more common, I think. I think they just made up a job.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because I'm like wolves are not going to be coming near a settlement full of humans. That's just not going to happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just reeks of human beings.
Speaker 3:So why would they do that? That's, they were not even their meals. Yep, so why would they want to do that? That's right.
Speaker 1:It's just picking a war to pick a war, and that they wouldn't do that, I don't know so cowboy mentions in the comments here um that burke had a collapsed lung, so I'll make that up real quick and his symptoms are all suggestive of a collapsed lung.
Speaker 3:Oh man, and he was walking with all that distance with a collapsed lung.
Speaker 1:AKA pneumothorax.
Speaker 2:Can't you get rid of that by stabbing them?
Speaker 1:Well, see what they had said was the survival in the harsh conditions would have exacerbated, even it would have been impossible to keep him alive. All of the easiest things that we could do down here in the, the city, you know um.
Speaker 3:so it's but how do you fix that?
Speaker 2:there's a way to fix what I know, which is, like you know, with a grain of salt they'll take a thick, yes, but also like other shit, like a thick gauge needle, like a really thick one, and they just kind of you know, and that relieves that, because it's like air pressure holding it down.
Speaker 3:It's too much pressure in your chest cavity, so that releases it so you'll usually hear like a air coming out of your.
Speaker 2:I would at least try it.
Speaker 3:I mean, if they're already going to die, why not?
Speaker 1:just a little shank, you know so, according to the Mayo Clinic I don't know if I just stab them in order to fix a collapsed lung or a just a little shank, you know so according to the Mayo.
Speaker 2:Clinic. I don't know if I just stab him A little, shanking in the style In order to fix a collapsed lung or a pneumothorax, depending on its severity.
Speaker 1:The general approaches are observation If the collapse is minor, doctors may monitor the condition while the lung re-expands naturally. Supplemental oxygen might be provided to speed up recovery. Two needle aspiration or chest tube For larger collapses, a hollow needle or a chest tube is inserted into the chest cavity to remove excess air and allow the lung to re-expand. Non-surgical repair In some cases, substances may be used to seal air leaks or a one-way valve might be placed to help the lung heal. And then four is surgery the bigger cases. So a collapsed lung is a medical emergency. So immediate professional care is essential.
Speaker 1:And that to me is, I think, enough to answer that question why he was having so much trouble right from the beginning. I think they were trying to tell us that. But to say, to go on your line where you were saying you put yourself in their position, I find myself putting myself in the position of the director, where I feel bad because I'm like I know this was like a six hour or seven hour movie, like they put it all, they filmed all of these pieces and then the editors come in and chop it all up and try to make it make sense right, and for the most part you got to admit they do a good job yeah, there was somebody like it's a, it's a good movie, but there's some parts you like you, whether it's the, that's clearly a fake wolf, or that's clearly CGI, or no one part.
Speaker 2:The snow was CGI and I'm like I know.
Speaker 3:Funny because I so. It was when they were walking along the river. Yeah, like three seconds after he said that when the wolves start coming, I was like I recognizegi wolf when I see one.
Speaker 1:These wolves with their asses like flying up into the air with every step move right, you know there's two things that I saw at that scene where they were running by the river. First scene there's no snow. Second scene snow is pouring down. Third scene there's no snow again, like oh my god, I didn't know that you're so right.
Speaker 2:No no, no, in the snow, like as it's falling, it like it changes, like intensities, like the cgs snow.
Speaker 1:Yep, I was, I was paying attention to that too you see it just like, barely, barely collapsing on his shoulders, like one or two or three or four and it was like calming down it goes to the wide shot and it's like pouring down you're like okay, come on now um all right. So, uh, I guess now we're we're at that scene here um going through. I think we all agree well, hang on, we uh.
Speaker 3:Well, we forgot about the guy who fell oh no, we talked about him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, he's. He's seen his daughter eaten by oh okay, so the
Speaker 1:next death. Oh, we didn't talk about the fall. We didn't talk about the fall though. Oh, we didn't talk about the fall. We didn't talk about the fall. That was done, do we not?
Speaker 3:think that the branches might have.
Speaker 1:I don't know the branches. Beat him the fuck up.
Speaker 3:So the way he fell, he was holding on to the rope when he was falling and he hit back first onto the tree. So that would have made him let go. Yes, so he would have let go. You don't think any of those branches might have like slowed him down because they all immediately snapped every single one of them as he was falling. But it's not like he a lot of his momentum was stopped when he slammed into the tree. I don't think every single one of those branches would have broken. I think eventually it would have been enough to at least make it so that he didn't die.
Speaker 1:He basically died on impact so I'm gonna say a very gen x thing right now.
Speaker 1:You have clearly never fallen out of a tree I gotta say they all, it all snaps I've fallen out of a tree and so, okay, when you climb a tree, you climb that the the branches that are strong enough to hold you right. So you're, you're grabbing onto them, you're pulling yourself yourself up, you're doing all that, but when you fall, you're on the trunk and you're grabbing the branches right at the trunk. When you fall, you never fall right near the trunk.
Speaker 2:You always fall out. That's the strongest point.
Speaker 1:And when you fall, out all of those branches, even if they don't break, they just bend, and then they push you out further, and then that first one that bends and it snapped on him. Right now it snapped pretty clean. I think they did a poor justice to the guy because when he fell on that very first one, because he was holding on to that rope, what would have happened is the branch would have bent first and then it it would have snapped, which would have rolled him away from the tree and then he would have just been hitting leaves and small twigs and see, that would have been more sense to me.
Speaker 3:Yeah versus he, just uh. They were just uh little popsicle sticks sticking out of the tree that he was just snapping. It just went too fast.
Speaker 1:The other part, that could be possible, right? Because these particular trees, while they're a type of pine tree, they seem like sturdy pines but they're only five inches at the trunk and so what ends up happening is they have like none of their leaves and branches have any mass to them. They're very thin, they're very wispy. Mass to them. They're very thin, they're very wispy. But this particular one, like that was the part that bothered me.
Speaker 1:How they did this was there was that one big tree that diaz jumped across and grabbed onto, and then all the rest were like rather small, and I was like where, where did this one like massive tree come from that could hold this dude's weight? And then there's no other tree like it anywhere. And when he fell he should have fallen into the same tree that they were in and he didn't. So he did. Well, I mean, he did, but he didn't like it was. It was so bizarre that didn't. Didn't it feel to you like they were in another world when, when he fell down, that he fell down and the wolves got there and the guys were still like trying to come down to the point where they drug him off and were gone before they even got out of that tree.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, I think they were climbing down quite a bit right, Like they were climbing at least like 20, 30 feet down from the top of a tree, Like also that first guy I don't think he makes it to the other tree, like to the tree across the giant gorge.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, you can make it, but I mean.
Speaker 3:So he's free, he's attached to a rope.
Speaker 1:I like everything that they said about that point Before he went. Everybody's got to go. What a way to go there, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:So I remember the first time I watched it, when he said that I was like that's actually a good pep talk, I I I actually felt like I could probably jump. After hearing that, after hearing somebody say that, I'm like you're fucking right, what I either get eaten by wolves or I die jumping across the fucking trying to save everybody trying to save everybody. That's kind of cool. Yeah I I think I could resign to that fate. Yeah, that's cool as long as I can convince myself that I would die on impact at the bottom.
Speaker 2:I feel like if one dude made it, they could all fucking just ran and jumped and made it.
Speaker 3:You know Well, okay, so here's the thing If I do survive the planes, I don't survive this. No chance. The fall Going across the gorge yeah, I don't even think I would ever touch the rope.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I couldn't do it. Yeah, yeah, I couldn't do it. Yeah, so the the, the problem that I had with it wasn't any of that, it was. It was what do we call it? Um plot weapon. It was a plot weapon. It had to happen.
Speaker 1:Oh, that is right, that is his something got caught had some kind of a ring on it that got caught at just the right spot. His hand was cut and he insisted that, um, that he go last. What was liam neeson's character? Odd way that, uh, odd way had to go first.
Speaker 3:Like, what was Liam Neeson's character Oddway, oddway that, uh, oddway had to go first, like no, no, no, I need another minute to get my head wrapped around this. I think that's the only mistake. Oddway made this entire time. Yeah, I, I, tj and I both said if we were him we wouldn't have let him go last.
Speaker 1:Right, you're injured, bro, you gotta go first.
Speaker 3:You gotta go before me. No, it's also like what if it snaps at this end? I want to be here to hold it.
Speaker 1:To catch it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I got to hold it. You're injured, you can't hold on.
Speaker 1:And all of those things.
Speaker 3:You're also scared of heights. I got to be here to coach you through it that too, I'm terrified of heights. I definitely I don't know I'm not.
Speaker 2:I could be on the edge of a building. I'll feel, you know, little shaky legs, but I think that's just like normal.
Speaker 1:Normal.
Speaker 2:You're not supposed to be up that high, but I'm not like afraid to go up somewhere.
Speaker 3:Can I get real with?
Speaker 1:you for a minute.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the Call of the Void.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do any of you have that? Oh yeah, do you get the Call of the Void? The most clear was in Sequoia National Forest. We went up to this place that they I don't know if they all call it or if it's actually called Moral Rock the highest point at Sequoia's National Forest, and there's this spot that you can walk over the ledge Like you, just look over it and it's nothing but trees and I had like the clearest voice in my head that said jump. That scared the crap out of me, man.
Speaker 1:I backed off, I walked way back because I am, I am, afraid of heights like ladders terrify me, uh, roofs terrify me, and I've gotten better about roofs but then like if I go way up, it doesn't bother me because I'm not, I'm, there's no like, there's no depth perception to me oh, you lose the lose the perception of it yeah.
Speaker 3:I don't, oh man, I don't lose the perception of it. All I can think about is the perception of it. Like going up at the top of Supreme Scream, that's 256 feet up. Oh yeah. And the second I get up there, all I can think about is well, I know how tall I'm supposed to be compared to that ice cream. Stand right there.
Speaker 1:I know how small it looks right now and that makes me want to shit my pants yeah, so after we get, uh, our characters survive and we get out to this point, we're across the levee here. The reason I wanted to back up, actually the reason why I think that that actually could have happened um, diaz was the one who went first. I honestly think you could do something like this, but you're breaking ribs, dude yeah, that's what I'm, that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 3:Even if you do make it to the trees, you're basically doing what? The guy who, who the rope snapped on him? I forget his name hendrix or no. No, that wasn't hendrix, that was, uh, I forget his name. But the guy who was holding on to it, his boot got stuck and then it snapped. Yep, that's basically what you're doing. The first guy, henrik, wasn't it? Yeah, was that henrik?
Speaker 3:I think that was henrik like so that's basically what you're doing. Like that first guy, you're free jumping into a tree. How did he not break all the branches on his way down?
Speaker 1:and and that's exactly like how why they didn't show it, how I watched it, and running and jumping like that, the fact that he said you're going 30 feet but it's gonna feel like 30 000. I don't know if you mean to make me feel better about this, right, but if you think about falling 30 feet, that's a long time that's. That's higher than our roof right here, like if you were to look out your window and look down.
Speaker 1:We're on the, the third story, but it's technically the fourth story that might be 30 feet yeah, I just mean not our roof, like if you were to look out the window right here. That would be about 30 feet yeah, the roof would be there imagine jumping that, no, I falling 30 feet and hitting something and having the wherewithal after you hit to grab you know you get the wind knocked out of you first.
Speaker 3:At least right that you wouldn't. I don't think you would initially feel everything that actually happened to you other than the wind knocked out of you until you collapse all the way to the bottom of the tree because you there's no way you're going to grab onto the tree. I don't think that first guy ever makes it right. I think the best, uh, the I, what I thought they were going to do would be to try to just throw the rope and get it caught on the tree and be like I really fucking hope that holds I don't think that ever would have held.
Speaker 1:But I do go back to the original saying everybody's got to go. What a cool way to go. So I guess, if you're in that position and you've got to do this, I guess you know.
Speaker 3:But now, but you know what the wolves proved there was another way down. There was another way down. They did not have to do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we go down. We're on the other side now, and this was where Diaz calls it quits right, which they definitely led us to believe that he was donezo. The wolves were coming for him right when they walked away. I think that was the moment of peace. He sat there quietly, but then, if I'm not mistaken, we heard the wolves yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:No, I was expecting to see one, and then they cut away.
Speaker 1:I feel like I feel like it should have been, like a mad respectful scene.
Speaker 2:Like the wolf like walks up slow, sits there for a second and then it's just like all right, now's the time you know, see, see what.
Speaker 1:What cracks me up? Honestly, my disgusting thought in my head is this guy goes and he's like fuck it, I'm gonna give up. I can't walk, I can't do anything, and the wolves go by and go. You're gonna die anyway and just walk away.
Speaker 3:So that's what I was kind of hoping would happen, because so he said something that like actually touched me, touched my heart a little bit, but it was when he, when he was basically saying like no, I, I give up, like I, I can't even done, that's a mile away, I can't walk 50 feet. It's like also look behind you, how could I compete with this?
Speaker 3:it feels like god made this or like god put this for me, and it made me think like I don't know oh, dying in that spot right there, yeah this is gonna make it seem a little stupid, but it makes me think like sometime in in the history of america there had to be someone who died looking just staring at something real pretty in the wilderness. And it makes you think, like when he said that that god made that just for him, and how could you possibly compete?
Speaker 2:with that. That's very touching. I constantly have the manly urge to uh just bleed out in a pristine forest of uh snow you know after saving your family, you know yeah, just like, just like you know what?
Speaker 3:I think I feel kind of warm. I also I get what, uh, undistractable, what bob talked about. I think I could land a plane. I don't't actually think I could, but I try man, I can land a plane. Well, no, it's supposed to be automated, right?
Speaker 1:No, but like I can do it, the landing is the part that you have to do.
Speaker 3:If I could just find the landing gear button I just say you flip them all and see what it does.
Speaker 2:So the one that I thought of, in that You're going to end up dumping all your fuel.
Speaker 3:it's kind of funny, because the pilots in the movie where there's sparks coming out, and they both. I'm like if both pilots are reaching up and flipping buttons at what seems like random I think you're smart man flying everywhere.
Speaker 1:Dude, you know you're cooked, so the one, the one thing that I I think we all thought the the same thing in very different ways at that scene with ds, because my comparison is it's the same thing, only different. It was the final scene in um, uh god, what was the world war one movie? Uh, all's quiet on the western front oh yeah, all quiet on the western.
Speaker 3:So I thought about I'm talking about the original.
Speaker 1:I don't know how the the remake ends. The original he's standing in the trench and he actually stands up because he sees a bird. It's a ceasefire. It's a moment of ceasefire. He stands up and he sees a bird and he's looking at that bird and just then the bullet hits him right in the head and the whistles blow and everybody gets out of the trenches and goes.
Speaker 3:He forgot where he was for just one freaking moment in the in the newest one, um his like I think it's this captain. Uh, when he dies by the, by the kid with the gun, does that happen in the original?
Speaker 1:I'm not recalling that.
Speaker 3:So in the first one they steal a chicken from a French farmer and the kid hunts them down with a shotgun.
Speaker 3:No, I don't remember that and they the captain, like the kid comes up on the captain and the soldier behind them, and the captain's, the soldier behind them and the captain's like you're not going to shoot. Basically he's like you're not going to shoot. And he takes a step forward and the kid shoots him. I feel like I'm kind of butchering what actually happens, but something along those lines. He dies in a really pretty area, but the kid that the movie follows dies in a nasty-ass trench, and you're right In the new one. He dies like in a nasty ass trench and he like you're right in the new one um, he gets stabbed in a bunker with a bayonet and as soon as the bayonet goes through him, you hear the ceasefire whistles get called and then the bayonet gets out of him and the french soldier walks away.
Speaker 3:And then he stumbles out of the trench, sits down and I think he sees a butterfly uh fly, and he like looks at that as he dies, which I guess that's like kind of pretty, but he's in a nasty ass trench of death yep so one pretty white forest, my blood slowly dripping. You can see the trail of it if I were him, I would wish that I wouldn't die of the wolves and that is.
Speaker 1:That. Is that your ending tj?
Speaker 2:yeah, I open up my suit jacket.
Speaker 1:There's a bullet wound sit down so you get into a gun fight nice tree.
Speaker 2:You know, just bleed in a suit.
Speaker 3:So this was some mafia shit finally feel warm in the forest finally feel warm.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, nobody's forcing you to live in washington, you weirdo.
Speaker 2:Also, I would like to say that I don't think black people are supposed to be in the north there should be a sequel to this movie called the Wolf, where he beats the alpha and becomes the alpha of the wolf pack. Oh my God.
Speaker 3:That would be so funny, do you know?
Speaker 1:the funniest thing on this movie. For the longest time I thought this was a werewolf movie.
Speaker 3:Really yeah.
Speaker 1:I never researched it, I never looked at it and I always see the cover of it. And whenever, because I love horror movies, I always see the cover of it. And whenever cause I I love horror movies on all of my time that I'm sitting with anything playing for noise, I'm always playing horror movies. So I've gone through every werewolf movie, vampire movies, zombie movie, uh, anything I could think of, and this one always comes up as a recommendation with all of my werewolf movies. So I thought it was a werewolf movie and I was like, but I but I don't see the proper application for survival for the podcast here, so I don't recommend those very often. I don't think I've recommended any. There's one that I like, but I don't think it's good for survival.
Speaker 3:We're going to do Abe Lincoln, vampire Hunter Abe.
Speaker 1:Lincoln, you know, I will tell you there's some corresponding lore to vampires and zombies.
Speaker 3:It's not tight-knit. I really thought you were going to say vampires and Abe Lincoln. I thought we were going to go down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theory for a second.
Speaker 2:I want to do more, just straight-up survival movies. There don't got to be no mythical.
Speaker 3:I liked this one. Just fuck it Wolves or fuck it Brothers on an island I'm thinking castaway boys. This never gave me that's a tough one. This never gave me werewolf vibes. When I saw the cover, it immediately made me think of the revenant, because the revenant has a very similar cover, which is also one that I thought of.
Speaker 2:I was like maybe the revenant.
Speaker 3:You've never seen it.
Speaker 2:I've seen it, oh I just haven't seen it in a while.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I don't know like the revenant would be good survival.
Speaker 3:The revenant would be a good one for that I mean it really I, I don't know the revenant's tough because you, like I was telling tj, you start with a severe handicap if you're about to freeze to death dog, hollow out your horse and crawl inside survival tip of the day yeah, I, tj and I were talking about it. Uh, you start with such a severe handicap that you start off mauled by a bear. Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you survive that it's like that, uh zomboid challenge where you're naked your legs broken. You're in a house fire. You're drunk.
Speaker 3:You're drunk sick yeah, it's like uh, it's every worst case scenario that has such a bad scenario, as long as you can there's like there's different scenarios that you can start yourself in and that's like the first one they offer and like that is the worst case. That that's awful yeah that's every. That's everything you don't want in a zombie apocalypse. Literally.
Speaker 1:So now we get to the end here with our Adwe, and he's going to stand off against the Alpha.
Speaker 3:Oh wait, can we talk about the guy who fell in the river really quick? I hate that guy, both of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can First of all Tell me what you have in mind.
Speaker 3:Those wolves were CGI when they started chasing them, for sure. Second, liam Neeson was straight up outrunning a wolf. That's crazy. Three once you fall in the river, you're screwed. I don't think you, even if you make it out of the water.
Speaker 2:First of all, you're being chased by wolves. So you have to get out and not get mauled. So let's say that the wolves do just disappear. You're freezing cold, you don't. I, you know your lighter's wet. You're not going to be able to light shit, right, you? You can't even. You can't even use your lighter because your hands are numb yeah, you're just gonna.
Speaker 3:That's a good point right there even if you're able to get a fire started, you would have to strip, and then you'd be naked in freezing cold with a fire trying to dry your clothes, which are not gonna dry with your. You're not yeah, you fell in the water. You're done, you're, you're completely toast. However, I do think, uh, so dying of hypothermia, I think almost guaranteed. I think you're screwed. However, dying of drowning, I think was completely preventable, I think.
Speaker 2:So he got his foot stuck and not once did he reach down to try and loosen up his foot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he could have moved. If he would have just Put his head down and move his and like use his hands, he could have loosened himself. But instead he just kept Grabbing at the log that he couldn't reach.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:He never tried anything else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that situation and Liam Neeson's character Also there's.
Speaker 3:There's people who think clearly but otway, who was thinking clearly the entire time. He really let me down on this one scene. I was like what?
Speaker 2:the fuck are you doing, dog, just yeah yeah, what are you doing, man?
Speaker 3:what do you mean? What is he doing?
Speaker 1:he's talking I reached out and help him.
Speaker 3:What you think? He's doing it on purpose I think there was.
Speaker 1:There was a couple like pull your freaking leg out, dude that's what I'm saying, so I get it.
Speaker 3:Maybe he panicked, but Otway was this light in the darkness the entire time. The sane mind, the calm spirit and the chaos. Not once did he think—he was already soaked head to toe. Not once did he think to go down and move his foot?
Speaker 1:Am I not remembering right? Wasn't it after Otway had breathed into him twice? He goes right, wasn't it after odway had breathed into him twice? He goes, hold your breath and he keeps breathing out all of his air, he goes hold your breath yeah, but why then he started yelling at him? What are you doing? Because he wouldn't hold his breath.
Speaker 3:Why didn't otway go down to like grab his leg and try to loosen it? Odway was already soaked head to toe, so it's not like he was trying to prevent his head getting wet. Well, I you know I can't speak to I they never tried to loosen his foot.
Speaker 1:They didn't do anything realistic in the river. None of that was realistic right. But if you go into freezing water like that, it feels like you are being stabbed all over your body.
Speaker 1:I used to have to get into the whirlpool and it's ice with water right Ice with water. And you get in there and it just ice with water right ice with water. And you get in there and it just hurts so bad. So I think they did a very bad job of demonstrating how freaking painful that water would be but also the adrenaline of.
Speaker 3:So I give adrenaline a lot of credit here, because if you're being chased by wolves which they had been the entire movie, but again I think anytime the wolves show up when they weren't already there, your adrenaline spikes. So I think maybe the adrenaline had them going for a bit. Um well, but remember this, maybe not feeling it as much as you normally would adrenaline doesn't work.
Speaker 1:It doesn't. It doesn't work for the positive in all things. While you're right, the adrenaline rush could have prevented them from feeling the immense cold because they were being chased by wolves and fell in the water, and it was a surprise. The adrenaline from running for their lives could have spared them the immediate nervous, the nerve, the overwhelming nerve pain from falling in freezing water. That's a possibility. But the other thing that adrenaline does to you is it makes you panic. You, I mean number one. The guy's in water so he's not breathing. Well, anyway, he's not staying calm, he's not getting oxygen to his brain.
Speaker 2:So you don't think right yeah, none of your actions are correct. First thing you do when you get into really cold water is you either breathe all the way out or you breathe all the way in. He got completely submerged, so either he's out of air or he's just breathed in a shitload of water.
Speaker 1:But timing wise, timing wise. My point was I think audrey was yelling at him. What are you doing when he breathed in air into his mouth two times and the guy wouldn't hold his breath? I do agree with you, tj and neret and Cowboy, in the comments, where I don't think it's possible to hold your breath in that water. The pain is so extreme that you're screaming. You're screaming underwater and you're going to wind up breathing in a whole lot of water.
Speaker 3:My only complaint is they never once tried to loosen his foot. No, I completely agree, but that would require Liam Neeson wanting to go underwater with his head in that he doesn't want to, but he already did, yeah, so it's not like he's trying to prevent that like it getting wet, he already got soaked. You're talking about saving his only person's life.
Speaker 2:You're drowning. All your friends died in real badass ways, except for one. One had a collapsed lung, but you know they all died to wolves. Imagine you're the only one who's about to die from drowning and your last kiss is liam neeson, and you're gonna die from water. Look I'm just saying everybody else fighting these wolves. I like it doing badass shit, you just look, look.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying I think there's worse people to be your last kiss. I'm not saying that's best case scenario, but I think there is way worse. Tj.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's bottom of the barrel.
Speaker 1:Bottom of the barrel being kissed by TJ and my beard and his beard. We get stuck together like Velcro.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it'd be so gross.
Speaker 2:So gross like velcro? Yeah, it'd be so gross, so gross, disgusting.
Speaker 1:But fuck you. My lips are soft and sensual, yeah, but your beard we're gonna get stuck together but does, but what?
Speaker 3:so what I was saying about liam neeson's character, about otway, is that he'd proven the whole movie to be this very calm in the chaos kind of person. And in this one time he really let me down where I really expected him to try and loosen his foot. If he tried to loosen his foot and couldn't get it, it was just so stuck there was no way he could get it out and the guy drowned before he was able to get him out.
Speaker 1:Sure, but yeah I do gotta say I do gotta say I agree with uh cowboy on this one. The only reason why it didn't happen, it wasn't in the script, true? I think this one goes to bad writing. The character should have been. Odway should have been more interactive and responsive the way he had been his character. It should have, but yeah.
Speaker 2:But they wrote this guy to die the ending would have been a lot better if, because it ended like he breaks the bottles and then they run like two steps cut right, I feel like it needed to end in the clash, not the full fight.
Speaker 1:Thank you, just like thank you the first.
Speaker 2:That's what I thought first punch, like the freaking wolf going for the bite him with the freaking glass punch just like, and then I mean I'm not.
Speaker 3:I'll tell you like that would have been way better, I think. That's so, that's so. Action movie like this is an action movie, it's not an action movie, it's a survival adventure movie, if anything oh, this could have been an epic ending no, I, I, I think that's, I don't know tj, I'm with you.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's artistic.
Speaker 3:I think that's very marvel movie no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:That is literally how, like every marvel movie ends and no, no, I don't know that's so marvelous it should end with the clash you want marvel?
Speaker 1:marvel was. I did have the marvel ending in my head.
Speaker 2:That's what I saw no, he would have to go against the evil. Liam neeson, that would be a no, no no, no, check this out.
Speaker 1:This was this was the ending that I wish would have happened. This is in my head. Same thing Liam Neeson, odway the wolf, staring each other down. They go at each other. Sure, it can cut to black, like that right, directed by Flashes back. You see, one blow landed, one bite cuts back Goes to next credit. Cuts back to scene another blow, another blow. That's marvel, that's in my head.
Speaker 3:That's exactly right. Oh, okay, hang on, you brought. You brought up something that made me think throughout the entire movie. The wolves did not do enough damage to the people every time they bit them or whatever it was it would have been so much work, liam neeson wouldn't have been able to use his arm for the rest of the movie after that first attack diaz got bit to shit and nothing happened to him.
Speaker 3:These wolves were on them for like 20 seconds at a time and then they would come out with like minor scrapes and like no, you got.
Speaker 2:You just see, yeah, and then, it would either cut to them being okay, or cut to their horrifically mailed body.
Speaker 3:The thing about wolves is that it's not like a domesticated dog. They're going to bite and shred. They bite and pull. They're shredding you. Your arm's not going to be usable. It's going to be like remember the hush where the guy took a claw hammer to the forearm. Way worse than that, yeah, way worse than that.
Speaker 1:So I would have been okay with if they would have even showed the shredding of the clothing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because then you could maybe say like okay, maybe the padding I didn't get bit because they grabbed the coat and they were pulling on the coat, josh said, this movie is considered a survival thriller, aka an action movie, just saying. No, that is not an action movie at all. Action movie, a thriller, is not an action movie no, you're outvoted.
Speaker 1:I'm the host, I'm right, you're wrong.
Speaker 3:This is bullshit this is bullshit, you guys want to do?
Speaker 1:you want to argue with me.
Speaker 3:You guys want to argue with me about this yes, I will argue with you about this, because you're wrong you want a marvel movie out of this and this is a survival thriller.
Speaker 2:If it would have just ended with a clash and then directed by. And then what fucking?
Speaker 3:that would have been fucking heat. No, that's so. Action movie Like I need to see the conflict.
Speaker 1:No, no no, no, I don't need to see who wins and I wouldn't have even needed that fucking ending credit thing.
Speaker 3:The ending credits ruined it for me, because I think that's stupid. He doesn't survive that. No, you don't survive that. That's so dumb. And even if he did survive that, the rest of the pack wouldn't just let him sit there.
Speaker 2:That was what we talked about. That's what they would call him he would not survive.
Speaker 1:The wolf would definitely survive either that or he becomes the alpha of the pack literally I'm okay with that, that's that's taking a direction.
Speaker 1:The wolf, that's taking a direction, for sure but with that in mind, all of our listeners, please go check out our social media accounts. We are on TikTok, facebook and Instagram at Will you Survive the Podcast. You can find us on YouTube at the Boys at WYS. You can also see us on X, formerly Twitter, at the Boys WYS or Alex and Eric WYS. I did try to change that name. You can also send us your emails. We look forward to getting any of your critiques, comments or suggestions. Please send those to the boys at will you survive the podcastcom. That's t-h-e-b-o-y-s. At will you survive the podcastcom. And with that, you guys give me your closing remarks and I'm going to tally up my points here and I will tell you who won this episode.
Speaker 3:I think, all in all, great movie. Not realistic wolf-wise, not wolf behavior at all. I don't think anybody survives this because none of the characters survived it. So I think that's pretty telling.
Speaker 2:The Grey is about a depressed middle-aged man who likes to beat up on wolves. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1:Freaking abusive.
Speaker 2:Animal rights activists, where are you, punch?
Speaker 1:dogs Gosh, we got to do away with this. All right, eric is our winner. Woo Winner speech.
Speaker 3:I don't know what the hell we're going to do next week, but I'm super excited, super honored, to win. Tj is really on a losing streak here, so I'm excited to hear what his losing speech is.
Speaker 1:TJ losing speech.
Speaker 2:I don't care. I really don't, you know like it's like, at this point I don't expect to win, because I had all these great ideas and all this shit and I was, you know.
Speaker 3:I was with the conversation the whole time and you were connecting near the end.
Speaker 2:And then, oh, it's a tie. But hear me, I had way more ideas, way more critiques for the movie. I think I should have won. But really I don't care, it's fine.
Speaker 3:I'll stay on this losing streak as long as I need to. I would like to point out that one of those said uh, several ideas that he had was jet fuel on open wounds.
Speaker 1:Well, and that was like the hardest part that you guys give me is both of you kept saying the same answers at the same time, like you would both chime in, oh yeah, when we were watching this. That's why I say you make it hard on me, because you guys watch this together, you share your ideas before we come to the podcast and then you guys have the same answers afterwards, so you're hurting yourself. Yeah, I think, and honestly I think what it is tj is the delay, because I hear eric first can't do shit about that no I think, that's uh
Speaker 1:no, I mean, you know you could not live in washington, like you know all the other stupid people.
Speaker 2:I feel like uh, california sucks ass and uh no come spend more money to exist here yeah, why would I spend more money to exist somewhere?
Speaker 1:and because it's the fifth largest economy in the world every year, not sporadically, every single year at the same time.
Speaker 2:I'd rather just deal with your guys's smoke than fucking be in the flame path. I'll have you know first of all our smoke.
Speaker 3:You're not seeing.
Speaker 1:Our smoke is blowing east, not north but uh, all right, cowboy is asking for the email again. That is theboysatwilyousurvivethepodcastcom T-H-E-B-O-Y-S at willyousurvivethepodcastcom Spelled the way you see it at the top of the screen.
Speaker 3:All right. Well, I appreciate winning.
Speaker 2:Good, whatever. You know I already had like shit planned out, but you know it's never going to happen.
Speaker 1:Well you, it's never, just never gonna happen. Well, it's, it's. You know what? Because it was a tie, I'll leave it up to you guys, since eric has nothing. If he wants to turn it over to you, he can. Yeah, you could get the season points.
Speaker 3:I still get the season points. But he gets to host. But he has to do the work well actually. Yeah, that's a big negative for him, because then he can't earn points next episode yeah, no, I'm not now.
Speaker 1:Here's what we'll do we'll give tj three-fifths of the points, three-fifths of so what?
Speaker 3:but it's only three points. So what is that? Like the fuck is.
Speaker 2:I only got three-fifths of a fuck to give. I don't you. You can figure out what the fuck you're doing, honey. I got all my shit planned. I got a whole list of shit. I got the dnd episode.
Speaker 1:I still working on, I still gotta finish that up because I'm actually I got for that multiple movies in line.
Speaker 2:I keep getting your recommendations from other people. I always have a movie. It's just deciding on which one from my list to do I will be fair about this.
Speaker 1:If you get a, so you were going up if you get a dnd going, uh, honestly, I think you can probably make that thing go for a few episodes exactly, just saying but that'll never happen because I'm never gonna win uh, thank you all for listening.
Speaker 2:This has been the will you survive podcast.
Speaker 3:I am not the host, but I don't care. There's a movie on amazon prime.
Speaker 2:Love you all zombies until next time you're not the host.
Speaker 3:You can't even say it, it doesn't even work. If you say it does work no, you know what it did it worked like that last time because none of you said stay alive well.
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