Will You Survive... The Podcast
Immerse yourself in the world of cinema as we embark on a journey to equip you with the skills to tackle any disaster head-on. Through the lens of thrilling tales, particularly those of the zombie apocalypse, we'll unravel the secrets of preparedness. Join us as we explore the silver screen to empower you for the challenges that lie ahead.
Will You Survive... The Podcast
Will You Survive "Maggie": A Heartfelt Zombie Tale with Ethical Quandaries
Can a zombie apocalypse flick tug at your heartstrings? Join us, your hosts Alex, Eric, and TJ, as we explore "Maggie," a film starring Arnold Schwarzenegger that takes a unique slant on the genre. We kick off with a humorous critique of the movie's quirks and shortcomings, while also appreciating the intriguing concept of infection and Arnold's surprisingly effective performance.
we tackle the ethical dilemmas and emotional complexities faced by Arnold's character as he grapples with the decision to preserve his infected daughter's dignity through euthanasia. Our conversation delves into the tension between parental instincts and maintaining dignity amidst decline, touching on poignant moments that challenge viewers' perceptions of life and death. We draw parallels to real-world scenarios, such as the social dynamics during the COVID-19 pandemic, and reflect on how these themes resonate with audiences.
Our discussion wraps up with a deep dive into the portrayal of "living death" and the societal fears surrounding infection. We humorously address the absurdity of hiding a cough during a pandemic, while contemplating the grotesque imagery of maggots in wounds within zombie lore. The episode concludes with an analysis of Arnold Schwarzenegger's role and the film's stylistic choices, as we reflect on the ethical questions posed by the zombie apocalypse genre. With a blend of humor and introspection, we offer a compelling exploration of survival, humanity, and the boundaries of decency.
Hello survivors and welcome back to another episode of Will you Survive.
Speaker 2:The Podcast.
Speaker 1:Today is going to be another chill episode, and you know what that means. The movie we watched was absolutely dog shit.
Speaker 3:Oh no.
Speaker 1:Kind of ass Horrible acting. The only saving grace in this film, I think. I like the way that the infection is. I also like the fact that Arnold Schwarzenegger is in it, but he's always a bad actor. He always has been a bad actor, but unlike Dwayne the Rock Johnson, I actually like him. But before we get into the movie, I would like to introduce our two competitors. Co-hosts, whatever they are, we've got I'm Alex and I'm Eric and I am TJ. Don't know if I said that already, but you guys already know because we were on your Spotify Wrapped this year. Huh, right, of course you must have been Right, right.
Speaker 3:Everybody must have been. We were on your Spotify wrapped this year, huh Right, of course.
Speaker 1:You must have been Right, right, everybody must have been.
Speaker 2:We were on your.
Speaker 1:Spotify wrapped right Anyways.
Speaker 2:We were on everybody's Spotify wrapped if you look at the numbers. Look if you. We really should be.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what was it like? 999? Percent? Yeah, we had insane growth this year, but if you didn't have us on your Spotify wrapped, you should start working on that for next year.
Speaker 2:You don't want to miss out? Yeah, but Will you Survive? The Podcast is the podcast where we will go through different survival scenarios. We talk about different techniques and we go over some of our different skills, including my knowledge of survival comes from being a feral child and wandering out in the wilderness, oftentimes for a fun weekend.
Speaker 3:Mr Hoster, I have something I would like to talk about before we get started the Red One hate is baseless. I'm not going to lie. That movie is pretty good. I just watched it. It was really fucking funny. It's a good movie. You're biased, mr Host, I'm sorry to say. You're just biased against Dwayne, me and Dwayne. We're on a first name basis.
Speaker 1:That's so crazy, I figured I figured.
Speaker 2:I heard him say the name Eric.
Speaker 3:Chris was super fun in that.
Speaker 2:Love that guy.
Speaker 3:Super fun Minus two points JK Simmons was good, krampus was good, the Witch was hot. Honestly 10 out of 10 movie. The the polar bear was the best that Garcia was dope. Honestly, really good movie. Don't know why it did so horribly minus two points, that's all. Yeah, I figured I was gonna lose points on that, but it had to be said, um, anyways uh, today we're talking about the movie Maggie, released in 2015.
Speaker 2:Well, mr, Host, I think I gotta rebut that for just a second.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 2:I think it did so poorly Because it had Dwayne the Rock Johnson in it.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 3:What Horrible acting. I feel like we're the only.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think that should have earned me some points. But whatever, see, he's just.
Speaker 3:Hey your nose. Your nose look a little brown. I'm fucking brown you racist?
Speaker 2:That's more brown than normal.
Speaker 3:It's a darker brown.
Speaker 1:But let's get into talking about this movie. Alex, would you like to give the synopsis?
Speaker 2:After a couple of weeks seeking out his teenage daughter, maggie wade finds her in the quarantine wing of a hospital. Maggie's been infected by a lethal outbreak that transforms the victims into a zombie. Wade's friend, dr verne caplan, releases maggie to spend her last days with wade and her family. Her stepmother, caroline, asks w Wade to take their little kids to her sister's house to keep them safe. While Maggie is slowly transformed, wade stays with her, protecting her, but Dr Verne warns him that the moment is coming closer and closer when he must make an ultimate decision.
Speaker 1:All right, before I get into the really heavy hitting questions, I'm on my Alex shit today. The really heavy hitting questions I'm on my Alex shit today. What did you guys think about the movie?
Speaker 2:You want to go first. I thought the movie was. You know, you brought up Arnold Schwarzenegger. Let me ride that train, because Arnold Schwarzenegger with all of his movies, they are all B movies, but ever since I was a kid man I've loved every single one of his movies?
Speaker 2:Oh, maybe not. Well, terminator, yes, terminator 2 was epic, but the first Terminator was awesome, it was fun, but it was like I don't recall it being that big blockbuster that Terminator 2 was. I wasn't alive, I don't know. The others were like the running man, commando, uh, predator. They were all good movies. I enjoyed every single one of them. I watched them all repetitively in my youth. But you're right, they're just all B movies and this is really no different. It's not a bad movie by comparison to say, oh, I don't know what was the aliens? Oh, I'm sorry, it wasn't actually called Aliens, they just ripped off Aliens.
Speaker 3:I don't even remember the name of the damn movie. Something is the beginning, that's it. Oh yeah, that was a great movie.
Speaker 2:So this was interesting. It brought a different perspective to the zombie apocalypse. It started us from the position that the humans already won and were now exterminating all the rest of the zombies, which brought a horrible element of you're having to make that decision to living people.
Speaker 3:You know, I don't think mankind had already won. I think this was a case where it didn't spread so much that it like massively took over cities, but it spread enough that it's it kind of seemed like they were living with it because like very realistic for a virus, you know yeah, like it seemed like it.
Speaker 3:It it didn't take over the entire nation like nation within three nights or whatever. It just kind of took over enough people that it's a present danger in the world, but none of them seemed like they really knew anything about this sickness. It seemed like a surprise to everybody and I would assume that if it's been around for a bit, that they would know a little more about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's kind of my thought. The world's already, like it's pretty fallen apart, like there's, you know, not a lot of people in this freaking movie, they're just like you know, I mean I guess. It's fallen apart, but it hasn't like really fallen apart, you know like there's fucking hospitals and shit still doing stuff.
Speaker 2:That's why I thought it was already. After the, the main push, a lot of people had been wiped out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I can agree with that. I mean, I guess, but it was.
Speaker 2:It was just the fact that they had these quarantine camps where they were bringing these people, and now that that's where it got disgusting, because I think that's what. I think that's what we would do. You know, that's what government does.
Speaker 3:Yeah, when they were saying like, uh, there was a part of the movie where they were talking about how they they they say it's going to be all nice and and comfy there, but it's not like they don't. They don't care about you, they don't hold your hand the whole way through and it sucks. But we kind of talked about this and, um, I think flu where it was. Like you, these people are dealing with the hundreds of dead bodies. They can't get attached to anything and anybody.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately, with something like this, yeah, but what was awful was they said they would put them all together. Some would turn faster than others and they would just be eating the humans.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was fucked up. That was brutal. Honestly, I would assume it would be like just firing squads. I think that's honestly the most humane way to do it.
Speaker 2:Well then they said they give them that injection.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I really think that the— I feel like the best way to deal with this type of shit is what they did in Cargo Government sent out a bunch of packages. Hey, once you hit this step, do this to yourself. Once you hit the, you know. And then at the end you got the fucking big needle. You know the, the auto fucking stabber. Yeah five thousand. That's like a fallout design you know, just like a fucking instant lobotomy Like.
Speaker 1:I think that would probably be like the best thing to do, other than like I don't think the quarantine camps is Like what are you quarantining from? They're like gonna be dead.
Speaker 3:No, they're just killing camps, they're death camps. That's what it is. It's a nicer way of saying death camp. Call it a trash camp.
Speaker 1:You know, just landfill Big fire in the middle. I will say that's like flu.
Speaker 3:I will say so in general for this movie. I started watching this earlier, like early in the week. I got like 19 minutes in and I could not focus. I could not watch this movie. It was boring the shit out of me, and it does. It did that thing that a lot of movies try to do where they sorry, they throw you in with like no context and then they're like you'll figure it out.
Speaker 3:Except this movie did a really awful job at explaining anything in the beginning and everything is a montage in this movie, like the whole first like 20 minutes of the movie are nothing but three second shots over and over and over.
Speaker 3:It's like cocomelon, where they do a scene change or a camera change every like two seconds or something. It was like that and they're trying to. He, the director, is trying to do these long, dramatic moments, but it's like a camera change every two seconds and it completely distracts from the, from the acting, and honestly, for the first half of the movie I was thinking, man, it's not even the actor's fault, it's the fucking camera work. Like I I can't feel dramatic, or like I can't feel the drama when I'm changing perspective every three seconds and then by the second half of the movie I feel like I got used to the camera movement and then I was like, ah, the acting just kind of sucks now. So there was moments where I think they did really well and there was other moments where, uh, not so much like where the two girls had that conversation in the in, like the living room or something or whatever when, uh, what was it? Maggie and her friend were talking. That was what.
Speaker 2:I don't want to be too overly critical because I'm not an actor, but that was a really bad acting conversation there was the scene where they were all out, um, like she went out with her friends, they were all gathered together and you met that other boy who had also been bit. Oh, I liked him and it was funny because I mean, we've talked about this recently, where the humanity of the person that's still, they're still a person, but how they talked about, how he got bit, was somebody who was turning. So you saw the real danger there was. This wasn't a full-fledged zombie, this was someone like them, where we're meeting them in this state, and he said I saw it immediately in her eyes she regretted it but she couldn't help it. And then you go through that with them later on, that they're just like fighting the urge to bite and to eat.
Speaker 2:When she um, what was our character's name? Maggie? Um, abigail breslin. When maggie, uh, goes up to her mother or stepmother, caroline, and she's like, oh, what smells so good? Oh, yeah, and she was like, oh, your dad's probably making something. And one of the things that they warned people of was, if you get a heightened sense of smell, you watch out well, it was that, uh, the the people.
Speaker 3:people would start to smell like meat. They would start to smell like meat, they would start to smell good, and she would lose her appetite and not want to eat other things, which she was already doing before the dad even got that information.
Speaker 2:Although that was funny. There was that funny scene because I thought that she was going through that, but then Wade confirmed that she was actually telling that the stepmother just didn't cook very well.
Speaker 3:Well, it was that one meal, she said, oven stopped working yeah and it was like half cooked that was, that was. It's not my fault, but yeah, I felt bad for the stepmom because she was honestly a great stepmom, but there's only so far she can go. Yeah, it was. It was putting the other little boy in danger and uh, which he kind of just disappeared like a quarter through the movie.
Speaker 2:That's why they said Wade took her to her sister's house, took him to her sister's house and then.
Speaker 3:Caroline left not that long after. Once it was very clear that Maggie was turning. Wade was his name Wade. He wasn't going to do anything about it, he was just going to let her turn. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, so, so, so, so let's just ask a question. Okay, what are the ethical dilemmas faced by Wade as Maggie's condition worsens?
Speaker 2:That's a good question, because I think it's it's two part. He has the ethical dilemma of unaliving his daughter this is still his daughter of unaliving his daughter this is still his daughter. She's coming in and out of consciousness as a human, going, drifting into her zombie state but then you also have the ethical dilemma of protecting other people.
Speaker 2:She's going to do what these other people did. Remember when, wade, he put down those two zombies that his neighbor was keeping, and everybody was like, oh yeah, you know, that was nuts. Look at, why was she doing that? And then the two who were bit were like, well, I mean, she was doing what our parents are doing. You know, they kept them until they turned, and then, to me, I think it only makes it worse yeah, well man, I had a whole thought well, I'll tell you where I think the the real dilemma is is do you unalive them while they are still?
Speaker 3:exactly, yeah, human you wait for them to fully turn, even though they are a threat before they fully turn so he had that conversation with her by that pond where she told him like don't, but pretty much like don't, let me suffer. Yeah, please be the one to do it and just get it over with I'm. I can't keep doing this right. So after that point, I don't. I don't think he has any ethical dilemma of whether or not he should he should unalive her. I. I think that that's already cleared up. She's asking for it. This is a very special circumstances. I think the ethical dilemma now is when? Is it more humane to just do it by surprise, just while she's sleeping, just get it over with? Or is it more humane to let her turn and then unalive her? Honestly, the second one seems worse, in my opinion. I think it would be better to just have a really good night, tell her how much you love her and then in the middle of the night, just get it over with good old lead injection.
Speaker 2:Yeah you get. I mean this is gonna sound bad. You're gonna have to hear me out all the way, because this is not this is not this is gonna be a good clip.
Speaker 2:This is not the kind of bad that you degenerates are gonna think, but, being that it's his daughter, very, uh, unorthodox, very, otherwise inappropriate maybe, maybe get her wasted, get her drunk. You have a fun time, you know. You go over the memories, talk about everything, because they had a lot of memories with her mom that her mom died ahead of all of this. You go through talking about all of that, you relive the good memories and maybe do it over some alcohol. You get, get yourself obliterated and maybe, if he's really smart, he doesn't drink as much as she does, and then, well, I think he could drink as much as she.
Speaker 2:Well, you're probably right, you're probably right, you know, and then uh, but he has to keep his wits about him yeah, and then be ready to do it maybe, maybe you get her to the point of passed out, but and you got to do it you see, that's the thing.
Speaker 3:Like I don't know, for a good portion of the movie I'm like I think I could do it. I think I could do it for sure, but then I don't know. The script was good in this movie, yeah. It had me feeling by the end where I was like damn, this is a tough choice. What do you do? Okay?
Speaker 2:but can I bring something up about? The end real quick, I, but can I bring something up about?
Speaker 1:the end real quick. I'll let you do that. I was going to say I'm going to let you finish. I'm going to let you finish, but no, I think before, like once, the person's like you know it's time. I think that's it's time, like you know.
Speaker 3:So listen to the patient. But when she said it I was like I don't know if, like, when she said it, I couldn't tell if she meant as soon as possible, or just don't let me turn.
Speaker 1:Do it before she loses herself. I think that's what she meant. Once you're not yourself, it's just like it's not it.
Speaker 3:But then, oh man, I thought she was going to eat him. Dude she was.
Speaker 1:She was going to and he would have been fine with it.
Speaker 2:She was fighting it. That's what I took out of that scene. She was fighting it. She want every part of her wanted to eat him, but there was see. That's where I say that they did a really good job of showing the ethical dilemma, because that's what he was going through the exact same thing her being overtaken by this virus. She wanted to consume him. At a certain point, like the zombie, nature was overtaking. He was overwhelmed with protecting her. It's his daughter that. So it's funny that, to say it this way, they were both fighting nature. Right, he had the overwhelming desire to protect her. He had the overwhelming desire to protect her because that's his daughter. But reality said he had to do this, he had to put her down. So he's fighting that natural instinct to protect. She's turning Her. Nature is now saying consume and she's fighting that nature.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but about the end did anybody else see when she was going to do that swan dive and say, couldn't you have picked a higher roof? Like, was that really?
Speaker 1:going to do anything If you aim for like your head. You know if you head down Like dive.
Speaker 2:Did she like jump off and dive? I thought she just like fell backwards. I'm like it probably knocked the wind out of you, but I think she fell forward, but yeah, she fell forward.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but she was at the top of the house. No, I don't.
Speaker 2:I know that's why I was like that's definitely not.
Speaker 3:That's definitely not kill, that's hurt. That's not gonna end you.
Speaker 1:You might sprain both your ankles. She didn't feel shit. That's another thing. Did you hear me? You didn't hear me.
Speaker 2:Off of a one story roof you might sprain both your ankles.
Speaker 3:Yeah, probably you even know something about that.
Speaker 1:I don't know anything about that oh yeah, no definitely um my next question, which is kind of tied in like what we were just talking about, is uh, how does the film portray the concept of living, death and the challenges of maintaining human dignity in the face of physical and mental decline? I'm sorry, one more time, professor yeah, I'm gonna have to minus a couple points from your.
Speaker 3:I'm trying, okay, I'm killing it this episode, bro.
Speaker 1:I'm, I'm fucking rocking it, alex plus one point how does the film portray the concept of living death and the challenges of maintaining human dignity in the face of physical and mental decline. Basically like how are people treating these fucking sick people. You know, I get it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, see, it was the way that they were doing it. The film portrayed it in two ways. There was a face of dignity and we'll say dying with dignity, but then it showed us behind the scenes that there was a reality, that there was no dignity being given these people. They were, they were being taken out in the worst ways, sometimes being eaten alive by other zombies who turned ahead of them, and so so it was like it was a facade. Dignity for the dead was a facade and I hate to say it, you know, for the dead they were the walking dead.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that. Well, I'm trying to kind of gather my thoughts on this, but Eric's too high for this.
Speaker 1:No, I started talking. He was like what the fuck is he?
Speaker 3:saying you asked the most convoluted way you could have possibly asked that question. Okay, that is not my fault. Portray the concept of living death, yeah, living death. What does that even mean?
Speaker 1:Zombies, this guy.
Speaker 3:Because they're dead.
Speaker 1:They're maintaining their indignity in the face of physical and mental decline. Motherfucker, I was trying to Alex my shit. I fuck you.
Speaker 2:They're living. They're living, but they're walking dead. They're dead. Living dead, not living death. Living death, I mean, they're trying to make it their own. He's trying to make it his own.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why I said concept of living, death. This guy, I could have just said zombies.
Speaker 3:I think the infected who have not fully turned do face some kind of like ostracization from society. When you saw it, when Maggie was in the clinic, the doctor's office, and, uh, she was watching the two little kids and then the mom saw what she looked like and immediately called her kids over there. Was that that fear that, oh, she's infected my kids are not going to be near her, which is fair, and you could see that maggie understood that, but it still hurts. And you kind of notice the same thing at the campfire where that one boy was talking about, uh, like what they should be doing, and how bonnie was just being the, the neighbor who kept her husband and her kid locked up, how she was just being selfish and she should have just turned them into quarantine.
Speaker 3:And the infected boy was like, oh, like my dad should do to me exactly. And he was like oh well, not you guys. It. To me that's kind of like in a video game, where you're like oh, my god, dude, my, this fucking random that we have going fucking one and two. And then I look at my teammate who's one and five and I'm like not you, though, you're doing great it's, it's like that.
Speaker 2:No, I, I, I think it was. I say the same thing, especially about that interaction with the kids, because the sad thing is the infected could very easily forget they were infected, but then people will remind them all the time. You know one, one thing that I would like to bring up in this, just because I want to go for humor and reality. It was just like during covid, you know everybody was hiding their coughs.
Speaker 2:You had a cough, you know. You didn't even. You didn't, you weren't even sick, you just choked on your spit, you know, and you're hiding your cough. You're not. You're not coughing out loud. It was ridiculous. You know like or or you sneeze. It's like dude. People sneeze for no reason.
Speaker 3:Oftentimes you know, what's sad is that I'm so I, I would venture to say anti-social. Nowadays that, uh, nowadays since, like since right before covid.
Speaker 2:Nowadays, yeah, since, like, yeah, I guess it's been like four years you have always been anti-social no, I used to go all the time.
Speaker 1:Eric is white as a ghost. He never gets. I was always gone.
Speaker 3:You used to go out all the time I was always in Ventura and up in Santa Paula all the time.
Speaker 1:How are you going to be pale and live in California? That's what I'm asking.
Speaker 3:I'm not even that pale.
Speaker 2:Because he wears jackets in summer here.
Speaker 3:My arms are pretty tan, not anymore, it's winter.
Speaker 2:He's cold when it's 110 degrees outside.
Speaker 1:That's actually not untrue. No-transcript. Okay, that's actually not untrue. Let's see your back, brother.
Speaker 2:No you can't see his back, dude, I don't fucking shine in my eyes and blind me from fucking three states away.
Speaker 1:I mean probably actually.
Speaker 2:He takes his shirt off, you'll see what the wise men followed to find Jesus at Christmas. Okay, this guy, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:I don't even know you could do that.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:Oh, my god, oh don't make me laugh that hard.
Speaker 2:That was good.
Speaker 1:I can see my heart. That was funny so.
Speaker 3:Totally. You know, segwaying very naturally here. What was with the maggots in her wound? That happens. Well where the hell did they come from?
Speaker 1:Flies will land on you.
Speaker 3:Maggots come from the eggs, oh okay, I guess because she had just been to the doctors, I kind of feel like they would have cleaned it because she was freshly patched up.
Speaker 2:You know. It's funny that where I thought that came from was in some of these viruses they portray it as kind of like a parasite, and they grow so large that they're visible to the eye. In many cases they look worm-like. I was thinking that it was like coming out of her, as that's what it's turning into.
Speaker 3:They're here. Who the zombies? I thought the gate would stop them. They knocked it down instantly.
Speaker 2:How much time do we have they're?
Speaker 1:already here.
Speaker 2:We should have bought that beautiful Los Angeles dream house in that safe neighborhood that Corinne showed us.
Speaker 3:I know it was so much more defensible and Corinne would have had us moved in before the apocalypse.
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Speaker 3:No, no, we should have called Corinne sooner.
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Speaker 3:So the first, like four times they showed the fox. I was like what is the point of this fox?
Speaker 2:Oh, dude, it's a reference.
Speaker 1:Dude, that was nuts right To the movie. Fantastic Mr Fox.
Speaker 2:And then didn't she eat it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she did, but she didn't kill it, which is the most fucked up part, which was no yeah, no, he had to go back out there to fucking put it down.
Speaker 1:How are? You going to eat something alive and keep it alive.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:You're done. That's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2:You know, the craziest thing about that, that's nature. Yeah it was pretty brutal. How many things in nature will take chunks out of other animals run away for a reason or another? There's a competing predator nearby, something they're going to feed their young, so they grab chunks off of this animal run away. Then they'll come back and get more later. Nature is brutal.
Speaker 1:I think that's kind of like an infinite food glitch, you know.
Speaker 2:You don't take too much.
Speaker 1:In the Serengeti hunting. You take a bite out of an antelope. You know, just just a chunk. Let it run away. Take another bite out of another one. There's a redneck Leave, come back a couple, you know, weeks, months, whatever Meets back Boom.
Speaker 3:You know, I don't think you know how medicine works.
Speaker 2:I wonder if you're aware cheetahs are more like dogs than cats.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, they're also like Eric full of anxiety.
Speaker 2:They are anxious animals Over at the wild animal park.
Speaker 3:I'm not a very anxious person. I want to be honest.
Speaker 2:I got a lot of bad qualities?
Speaker 3:That's not one of them.
Speaker 2:At the wild animal park have emotional support fish they have. The cheetahs sits with the Labrador. Say what the cheetah sits with the Labrador.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they need oh, yeah, yeah yeah, they're so anxious, I just had a vision of Eric, like walking into his room and there's the fish there and he's like you love me, right, I carry the fish in a bag the fish the fish sits there vertical against the wall right yeah, he does do that. It's like eric walks in you love me.
Speaker 2:Right. It swims down into the, into the grass, you're like fuck you, then he loves me.
Speaker 3:I'm his god. I just gave him a whole habitat yeah, I know he went from literally nothing to a whole ass environment.
Speaker 2:He's chilling I think we've talked about this before on the at least you and I did. I don't know about tj, but that humans must be like immortal beings to dogs oh yeah because we'll live. They'll live their entire life and we barely age.
Speaker 1:Yeah and we'll fucking raise their grandchildren, and still haven't aged.
Speaker 3:Have you seen that? It's kind of like poetry. I guess it's a letter written by a senior dog from the perspective of a senior dog and it basically says, like you know, my parents were raised by these people, I was raised by these people. I was raised by these people. I've watched them raise my kids and then I've watched them raise my kids kids. And it seems like or the dog was saying like I, I can finally see his age showing, I can see him slowing down and I don't know if I'm gonna last long enough to see a spectacle of seeing one of these creatures die, Because it's just something so rare and it was just it was. It kind of makes you tear up thinking from the perspective of a dog.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I've seen that. And I mean like if you grow up with a dog, they see you grow up, you know Dogs Right, yeah, ten years is a lot of years for you.
Speaker 3:You know you'd be 10 and then you're 20, like that's a lot.
Speaker 1:But once you're an adult, from an adult you don't change that much.
Speaker 3:I would say, from like 20 to 20 to 50 is like I imagine from a dog's perspective you probably don't see much changing from that point and that was my, my mom's dog.
Speaker 2:I youngster and I think I must have barely been a freshman in high school, and it lived for 20 years, almost 18 years, so it got to see quite a bit of change in me, but it wouldn't have recognized that kind of change in my mom. Actually that dog saw the reverse, because my mom went from being very sick to being very healthy and my mom was taking that dog out on runs training for the LA Marathon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then there's cats. They'll watch you die and then eat you. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh.
Speaker 1:God Love cats. They're like wait, wait. Okay, it's been two minutes, I got it. I got to eat it, Well so what do you think on that?
Speaker 2:See, it's funny because the cat mentality is more appropriate in Maggie right. You're basically done, so I'm going to go ahead and take you out and do what needs to be done and move on with my life. Right? That's kind of how cats are.
Speaker 1:Screw you.
Speaker 2:You're living in my space. Get out of my space and it was yeah.
Speaker 1:Which is what was that? What kind of answer was that? I think, that would.
Speaker 2:I think that's the kind of attitude you would have to have, but it's like it's such an effed up attitude because it's not realistic.
Speaker 3:This is his daughter.
Speaker 2:His reaction and Bonnie's reaction are realistic reactions to to that situation they are, and I think because I liked one perspective that this movie gave to this topic is because, as much of a violation as I think it is I put this above I really do Allowing my body to walk around after I'm deceased. Body to walk around after I'm deceased, I think it's a worse violation, even as a man, than if you knew that the mortician was doing nasty, perverted sexual things to my corpse. I think, as violative as that is and disgusting as that is and unnatural, I think allowing my body to walk around is worse, if you can understand that, that perspective so here's my thought process on that right um first of all, dark second of all um, if my body reanimates and goes and bites someone else past me feels bad about the thought of that, because now my body has harmed somebody else and doomed somebody else, it's caused more pain in the world.
Speaker 3:Versus if I'm dead and some weirdo wants to get it on with my body, I don't give a shit because I'm dead do you think you go the maggie route?
Speaker 2:do you think you take yourself?
Speaker 3:out, um, when it was clear that the dad couldn't do it. Yeah, because she said she was done, and I think he should have done it sooner, um, but I also think there were several points where she should have just told him please, just let me just do it. Just do it, just, please, yeah, because she already knew she was already ready and I wish she would have just told him, like it's time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's go. Let's go sit out by that pond.
Speaker 3:Like cloudy eyes.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, yeah, just have a good day, you know, and just end of the day, look at the flowers.
Speaker 3:Exactly, that's exactly what I was thinking. Go to that pond. It's a beautiful spot, just sit there, relax, tell each other how much you love each other and just end it.
Speaker 1:Spike to the head.
Speaker 3:I mean.
Speaker 1:I think there's faster ways, like temple to temple and not, you know, back to front or front to back. Yep, I think that would be more traumatizing.
Speaker 2:Especially the front, the front you can miss.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you go to like put down your family member you fucking miss. They're just like ah, dude, what the fuck?
Speaker 3:I don't think they're saying anything after that.
Speaker 2:Didn't we say something very similar in this regard in another episode where we had talked about a mom having to knock out her kid?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, oh, it was a quiet place. Yeah, we're like she couldn't do that.
Speaker 2:You're like how many punches it would have taken.
Speaker 3:Like she's just beating on her child at that point. Go to sleep, go to sleep, go to sleep, go to sleep, go to sleep.
Speaker 2:Fucking Iron man via the.
Speaker 3:Hulk. I do want to point out, though, that Maggie's dad had a shotgun. I don't think it was going to matter, unless he really well, never mind.
Speaker 1:You read the comment in the way uh, I just want to. I want to go back to something you just said. Why are we talking about the corner diddling the fucking yeah dark?
Speaker 2:the idea is to invoke disgust, and how wretched that is. But I still think allowing my corpse to get up and walk around after I'm dead is more of a violation. It's more unnatural, it's more disgusting. Yeah, I see your point. I'm trying to use shock value to get you to see the perspective of how wrong I think it is to allow me to walk around as a zombie no, because, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3:Because, like I said, if a creepy ass mortician wanted to do that to my body, he's I personally, I that's, I, I feel like that's not my body anymore. I fucking gross and a crime and you should probably go to jail, but I, I'm well, like that's not me anymore. I don't give a crap. But my body then reanimated it and hurt somebody else.
Speaker 1:I feel a lot more bad about that. Yeah, here's the thing. Well, I don't think I would care that much, but, like you know, because like, once you're dead, your soul is kind of just gone, you're just a husk, um, yeah, exactly but, also uh, uh for one.
Speaker 1:You shit yourself when you die yes so he's real nasty if he's going for that end, uh, and for on me. And number two uh, I. I I'm not just constantly slanging meat, I'm a grower, not a shower, so like. I don't even be able to do nothing with the front, so it's either dirty booty or nothing you know, they clean you right yeah, by the time the mortician gets you, you've been evacuated valid. Well, I guess I'll just, you know, swallow a bottle, bottle baby or something for a crow.
Speaker 3:Just in case that's the cause of death.
Speaker 1:He wasn't gonna die but then Chokes on fucking behold 20 turns out he just had kovat and he kind of thought he was dying.
Speaker 2:That's weird.
Speaker 3:Anyways, cause of death COVID.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, if we're going to be real, I would say cause of death Diddy. But did he do it? See, I got to read that Jacob Harper even said TJ preparing for P Diddy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I feel like any mention. Bro, he wants any mention. Any mention of oil or lotion is now immediately.
Speaker 1:He wants the little ones, that's uh he won't even know that's a grown-ass man eric will go for a bunch of money, I would me and alex will be rolling in dough. We could pay for another host. Okay, what?
Speaker 3:the fuck are we doing here, guys? Don't worry, we could pay for another guy.
Speaker 1:I would not sell you this guy. Where's your loyalty at? You can't sell me, I'd be too racist.
Speaker 2:It's true.
Speaker 1:Where's your other question? Cj, it's true, you want another question?
Speaker 3:Yeah, ready to move on from this conversation how does the?
Speaker 1:isolated farm setting contribute to the sense of confinement and the intensity of the family's struggle.
Speaker 3:Wow, it's kind of like, uh, what was that last movie we watched um the puerto rican movie?
Speaker 2:outside outside it was kind of like that gave me similar vibes, that is a great point because, as wide open as it is, the whole movie felt very claustrophobic yeah, and now that you bring that up, outside felt that way too, and the weather too.
Speaker 1:Did you guys notice? It's just like the whole movie it's on a verge of like a fucking thunderstorm.
Speaker 3:Yeah it's so the whole. I was gonna mention this. Okay, tj, I think you would understand this better than than you, alex, but you know how 2010's action games just had this idea where they were like what if we just turn the saturation down to negative 50, and everything is just this beige, brown tan all the time and it kind of seemed like this movie did that.
Speaker 3:It was like but kind of gray, like this movie was, was like almost colorless and and I don't know how to describe it, because like you watch it and clearly there's color and it's a normal scene, but at the same time it's like there's this gray or beige tint on the camera that just I don't know. I am not the hugest fan of it, but it did add to this kind of dreary vibe.
Speaker 2:Maybe this is what you meant, but I definitely, I definitely don't notice those things because I'm colorblind, so I don't I really don't pay attention to any colors.
Speaker 3:This loser can't fly a plane.
Speaker 2:I think, I gave you the juxtaposition. All the way back in the Walking Dead they had used black and white scenes to juxtapose flashbacks from current and I could not tell the difference. It wasn't until somebody pointed it out to me that I was like oh, oh, I see it. It wasn't grabbing my attention.
Speaker 1:It's like hey look, look, I'm black and white. I feel like they should have just made walking dead black and white, because the freaking comics are, I feel like that'd be cool.
Speaker 3:You know they probably could have yeah, no, I uh yeah, I think that this movie, I think that would have been a good stylistic choice if the camera work wasn't the way that it was, because it it really took away from it when it's changing the perspective every three seconds and it's supposed to be this kind of long, dramatic scene, um, but then, like, like I said, if you keep changing the perspective, I have no time to get invested in the scene. Yeah, I feel like I'm just jumping around this room just oh, I'm over here and I'm over here. I'm over here, I'm over here. Whoa, I'm under here, I'm looking at this guy. And there were so many shots where the camera was just fucking held by someone with Parkinson's, like it was just so shaky and bad and it seems like it was on purpose, which is even worse because it was just. I didn't like the directing style.
Speaker 1:I think, honestly, that was the biggest hindrance to this movie I was going to bring up earlier. I don't think Dude's directed that much.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He's had, like there's a lot of credits he has, but it's not like for directing per se.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of like. Director of title sequence.
Speaker 3:I think you guys should watch, like should watch, rewatch the first 10 or 20 minutes of this movie and just try to point out how much of it is just a montage, because it's just like a whole bunch of these 3 second clips where he's like showing up, sees her, hugs her, they're leaving. It's just ridiculous it's such a speedy way of trying to speed up the story and it's just, it's ridiculous. There's no, it's.
Speaker 1:It's such a speedy way of trying to speed up the story and it's such like it starts out with the phone call from her like hey, don't come find me, and you would think it would be like a lot more of him trying to find her but, yeah, just immediately fucking finds her. Yeah also, why did she leave in the first place?
Speaker 2:She's on a decently safe farm. I think she was away. She was already away when it happened.
Speaker 3:I thought, she was like with her family and then kind of just dipped and then got bit. I honestly didn't fully get the story of how she I thought she was away.
Speaker 2:I thought it was like a fact that she was away at college, or something like that.
Speaker 3:She was away, but I thought she was away with family.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I really. I just couldn't pay attention to this movie. It's just a lot of Arnold going.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to lie. I don't know what's wrong with that. The part where he was threatening the officer and he was like, if you guys come for her, they basically don't.
Speaker 2:The actor just wasn't there.
Speaker 3:He went to do it, I was like man, as somebody who I feel like should be pretty intimidating. It was the least intimidating I think I've ever felt by him in a moment where he was supposed to be super intimidating.
Speaker 1:When was this movie?
Speaker 3:2015.
Speaker 1:2015?.
Speaker 3:He had a good gr like kind of solid farmer, hard look to him. So it wasn't that, I don't know, it was just, it was the way his eyebrows raised and his eyes widened that I was like, hmm, yeah, I mean, you know that's nitpicking, but he hasn't been doing a whole lot of scenes lately all in all, I do think it's a good movie. I think it's it's a very slow start and a little hard to get into, but ultimately it's a good movie.
Speaker 2:I think it's a way different perspective than we've ever gotten in another zombie movie. That this emphasizes how these are. They're still freaking humans, man. I mean, we had a a little taste of of this, but you had no emotion whatsoever. I had no emotion whatsoever in dawn of the dead in the 2004 remake, where, uh, the character was figuring out as the nurse it's the bites. The bites are doing this. And then they figured out that the, the dad, was bitten. They're like we got to, you know, we got to take him out. No, no, no, you can't do this. You know what? If it's not the bites? No, it's the bites. And they had this whole argument, which was very dramatic, but you were not invested at all. That is probably one of the best things about this movie is it takes it to that perspective. You asked the question earlier the dilemma of the ethics. There is a lot of problems on both ends. You're a problem to society if you let this person live. You're a problem to that person if you unalive them. Right, then you know there's such a fine balance and both of them can wreck your humanity yeah, and like back to the non-threatening arnold schwarzenegger thing he was 70
Speaker 2:when this came out, was he really he's 77 for?
Speaker 1:for you, arnold, so he was 70 or no 69, I will be. He's 77 right now. He's 77 right now, so he was 69 or 70.
Speaker 3:No, it was 9 years ago, he was 68. I will be brutally honest.
Speaker 1:No, it wasn't.
Speaker 3:It was not 9 years ago 2015. Yeah, 9 years ago.
Speaker 1:It was 9 years ago, oh cause yeah, fuck, where it's, december it's 2024. Yeah, it was nine years.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so he was basically fucking 70, bro, like that's still really good for 68. So I'll say this hear me out I hated him as a governor still be fucking, like, menacing, like, have you seen his like a new?
Speaker 2:show.
Speaker 1:I've seen him yeah yeah, like he, you know, he just what is it called?
Speaker 2:what is it it called? Not Tallahassee, not.
Speaker 1:What is it? It's not Oklahoma, it's Fuck.
Speaker 2:What the fuck is that?
Speaker 1:show called.
Speaker 2:He's a weed dealer, basically Narcos. I mean he's more like a distributor.
Speaker 1:He is like a mafia dude who like. Yes For like a long ass time and then they were like, yeah, yeah, how about you go to tulsa king? Fuck dude.
Speaker 2:I was trying to think of that was jacob jacob jacob harper in the comments, yeah yeah, he, he's still like you know.
Speaker 1:He can still be a badass and menacing and and arnold is just, he was never a great actor, he was, but I'm gonna say buff guy.
Speaker 2:I need you to. I need you to hear me out here because hated him as a governor during covid. When he said that dumbest fucking shit, fuck your rights. I could not agree with him in the slightest bit, right, but as an actor going all the way back, this guy was the biggest part of my childhood. Still love him as an actor, so keep doing what you're doing, old man yeah, he, uh, I think he did pretty well in this movie.
Speaker 3:Honestly, I, I I think there's a few parts where you know that I think the acting kind of fell through a little bit.
Speaker 2:But I'm honestly willing to blame the director because I just I was not a fan of the style first, everybody, please go check out all of our socials and, in lieu of tiktok, maybe, maybe not being banned, go check us out on instagram and facebook. Uh, will you survive the podcast? You could check us out on x at alex and eric wys, and you could send us your emails, leaving us your criticisms, your comments, topics you want us to cover. Send those emails to theboys at willyousurvivethepodcastcom. That's T-H-E-B-O-Y-S at willyousurvivethepodcastcom, and whatever podcast channel you're listening on, make sure you go download us on the other ones too. We're on Spotify, apple Podcast, tuneinheart radio, good pods, which we made number one on the survival monthly top 100 chart.
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Speaker 2:But it'll be up soon. Well, let me read. Jacob Harper, one of our subscribers, just tells everybody listen to the podcast as someone who just finished them all. They are great. Jacob Harper, one of our subscribers, just tells everybody listen to the podcast as someone who just finished them all.
Speaker 1:They are great.
Speaker 2:He's watched or listened to every single one of our episodes. A true legend, and Jacob thinks that the best one is Night of the Living Dead. So ha. There you young fuck.
Speaker 1:It's okay. I'm pretty sure he could be wrong. No, no, no. Our he could be wrong. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Our subscribers are not wrong.
Speaker 3:No, it's okay. It's okay, he can't be as right as we always are.
Speaker 2:Although I mean he made the point, it's iconic. You cannot argue with that point.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I wouldn't argue with that, but it's still bad. No, it wasn't.
Speaker 2:You're bad. Your mind is stupid, Eric, it's bad. I think we're just devolving here.
Speaker 1:TJ Points are tallied.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:First off.
Speaker 3:I probably won, so get ready, Alex.
Speaker 1:The person whose name I say first is the loser. No, we'll just say his name already, so Eric has approximately three points.
Speaker 3:I gained points in this episode? I didn't think I gained points at all. I don't think you ever told me that I gained points.
Speaker 1:I didn't say them out loud a lot, I was just kind of writing them down as something said. Like you said some funny shit and like you know, I only lost points. Alex has five points.
Speaker 3:Wow, I've lost like six points this episode. You would have gotten murked. You know the problem here.
Speaker 1:I didn't write down what the points this episode. You would have gotten murked. You know the problem here. I didn't write down what the points are, for it was yours to win.
Speaker 2:It was yours to win. You lost this episode. I didn't win it, yeah well. You could go take that, Go sleep on that loser I will, because, you know what?
Speaker 3:I didn't think I was going to win anyways, alex got plus one for Diddy.
Speaker 1:That was when we were talking about the fucking.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you enjoy your Diddy point Nice.
Speaker 1:But yeah, alex is the winner of this episode, which means he gets to host the next one, just how our podcast goes all the time. Any winner speeches from Alex.
Speaker 2:Loser speeches from eric yay, um well, my winner speech. What I would uh like to incorporate is um, I'm thinking, probably next week, host. Um, we're gonna, we're gonna break for the the christmas holiday, so you don't have to be editing over the week, and then, uh, we'll release on. Uh, what is that?
Speaker 1:january 3rd yep, anyways, you're gonna make him for listening, eric, you're gonna make him win the episode, and then you're, and then you're gonna take away my loser speech too.
Speaker 3:You're just taking away everything I am the host.
Speaker 1:I just gave you so much shit in conan. What doesn't happen. No, at this point I'm just gonna keep talking.
Speaker 3:No, no, that's bullshit I should have marked you because I lost like six points in this episode I would have had so many points. This is so ridiculous.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 1:I am so fucking tired I'm literally going to fucking die.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's clear. Because you made the wrong decision, I have been your host.
Speaker 1:My name is TJ, that's.
Speaker 3:Eric Bad host.
Speaker 1:That's Eric. Thank you all for listening. It has truly been a good year, and keep on listening throughout the the next year, because uh, I'm you guys won't hear uh from us. It'll only get better, maybe.
Speaker 1:So happy new year, I guess, because this is it's a new year episode, I guess oh happy new year happy new year to a good, happy new year and I hope everything goes well in your guys' lives. Send me $1,000 so I'll get your name tattooed on me. Thank you all for listening. My name's TJ, alex Eric, said that already so tired, and until next time, stay alive, and if your daughter gets bit, put her down. I don't think he will, though he really should have done it sooner. He has fucking other kids and a life, you know, I think the idea is that he's trying to make it work. I don't think he will, though he really should have done it sooner. He has fucking other kids and a life. I don't think he will, though he really should have done it sooner.
Speaker 3:He has fucking other kids and a life, you know. I think the idea is that he's trying to make it work you.
