Will You Survive... The Podcast
Immerse yourself in the world of cinema as we embark on a journey to equip you with the skills to tackle any disaster head-on. Through the lens of thrilling tales, particularly those of the zombie apocalypse, we'll unravel the secrets of preparedness. Join us as we explore the silver screen to empower you for the challenges that lie ahead.
Will You Survive... The Podcast
Will You Survive "Bird Box": Unseen Dangers and Mental Fortitude
What if the key to surviving an apocalypse lies in the quirks of our own mental disorders? Join us as we unpack the chaotic world of Bird Box with humor and curiosity! We kick things off by poking fun at the film's casting choices, including the unexpected appearance of Machine Gun Kelly, and share a few laughs over the realistic yet infuriating portrayal of characters in crisis. With Sandra Bullock at the helm, we explore whether her performance sank or swam amidst the madness of unseen monsters and bizarre plot twists, landing on a scene with mysterious drawings as a standout moment worth discussing.
As we venture deeper into the concept of survival, a lively debate sparks around whether certain mental conditions might actually serve as a safeguard against the movie’s menacing forces. We ponder complex questions about the nature of the entity and its psychological warfare tactics, exploring the fascinating idea that schizophrenia or bipolar disorder might offer an unexpected shield. Our conversation weaves through theories of control, manipulation, and mental resilience, dotted with cultural references and humorous banter about whether sociopaths are immune—or simply easy prey—for this apocalyptic nightmare.
Hello survivors and welcome back to another episode of Will you Survive.
Speaker 2:The Podcast.
Speaker 1:And today we got something very, very special for you. Just kidding, we watched another movie and we're going to talk about it. Today's movie was Bird Box.
Speaker 2:Bird Box. Two points from subordinate number one. You're number two. I don't care about being a subordinate to Well, no because he said he's Alex.
Speaker 1:You didn't introduce yourself, so you're just subordinate number one.
Speaker 3:You know what Best not to get attached to a name.
Speaker 2:Best not to get attached to a name.
Speaker 3:We're just going to lose. People are going to forget who I am by like three more episodes when I've not won a single one. I mean, like it was just a skill issue last time that you didn't win I'm just gonna go into the next few ones with the defeatist mentality and see if that does anything and then maybe reevaluate afterwards I mean, he didn't even know the categories that were made just for him.
Speaker 1:Just for him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, we all know that episode was super fair. It was so fair.
Speaker 1:Two episodes ago, that episode, that'll be two episodes. I was thinking about making a calendar for, like it's true, so we can plan out stuff, so like we can record, like a. Christmas episode and release it on. Like you know, during the time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know that would be the professional thing to do.
Speaker 1:But I will say the one that just went up, which is the Gepardy. We do mention Thanksgiving, so I think that counts as a. Thanksgiving episode and it was released the day after.
Speaker 3:That's a win. A win is a win. That's a win. A win is a win.
Speaker 1:That's a win. I think that's a dub.
Speaker 3:It was actually a Black Friday episode.
Speaker 1:It was An African American Friday episode.
Speaker 3:That's African American.
Speaker 1:Warning, warning, warning, warning. I am African American.
Speaker 3:That is by far one of my most favorite jokes ever is. Anytime someone says black, anything just going, that's African American that's.
Speaker 1:African American to you but yeah, we watched Bird Box. You know the movie that came out in 2018 that everybody was talking about what? A phenomenon that movie was oh, what Machine Gun Kelly's in this shit? Okay, but is he really wait? Yeah, that's Machine Gun Kelly with the skinny. He really wait. Yeah, that's machine gun kelly with the fucking the skinny mexican chick they left. That's machine gun kelly that was really him.
Speaker 2:I'm not a rap, god, I'm a rap devil we don't gotta roast mgk's rap career.
Speaker 1:He's already done that can you read the synopsis, because I know you like doing that?
Speaker 2:in the wake of an unknown global terror, a mother must find the strength to flee with her children down a treacherous river in search of safety due to unseen deadly forces. The perilous journey must be made blindly directed by emmy winner suzanne Bird. Box is a thriller starring Academy Award winner Sandra Bullock, john Malkovich, sarah Paulson and Trevante Rhodes. They did not mention Machine Gun Kelly.
Speaker 1:Sorry about that. No, because he sucks at everything he does, are we sorry?
Speaker 3:He's on the list of people I dislike, okay, except he just got Megan Fox pregnant, so they're both fucking weird.
Speaker 1:They have like their rings, their wedding rings. They have like spikes on them so you can't take them off.
Speaker 2:That's mad weird how do you wash under your?
Speaker 1:ring dog, you just let the water run out.
Speaker 3:Nah, it doesn't do that rust.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I assume he wears cheap jewelry because he looks like a cheap jewelry. Why?
Speaker 3:we really cannot make enemies with every single celebrity that's ever existed.
Speaker 1:I will win in a fucking rap battle with you. You're dog water, go back to your fucking emo, pop, punk shit.
Speaker 3:I'm not gonna say that might not be true, but we shouldn't make enemies with every celebrity that comes across our lips. I don't hear me out so, anyways, I hate Sandra Bullock okay, minus three points from Eric.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute that is my fucking boo thing, I fucking love Sandra Bullock.
Speaker 1:I wish she would adopt me and have me play football.
Speaker 3:That's a really good movie.
Speaker 1:It's called the Blind Side 2.
Speaker 3:It is called the Blind Side. Yeah, this is.
Speaker 1:The Blind Side, part 2, because she's actually blind in this one, anyways what do you guys think of the movie?
Speaker 3:This is actually the same cinematic universe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, okay.
Speaker 2:So not Sandra Bullock, but that character. Oh boy, did I hate her.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I could not stand her. I was annoyed with her in the first four minutes of the movie and I thought there were a few. Stand her. I was annoyed with her in the first four minutes of the movie and I mean I thought there was, there were okay, there were a few, a few things that were just bizarre to me, but they were meant to be bizarre. So I would say that overall I got through the movie, thinking it was interesting. Um, I thought the and this might be sad, but I thought the best part of it was when that crazy guy got into the house and showed all of those drawings of what he was seeing that's the only thing.
Speaker 1:That's the only way you see the monster in this it's just kind of invisible every other time it was very, very interesting but yeah, I think every fucking character was unlikable in this movie other than the black guy. Not the fat black guy that died in the supermarket, the other guy- which I kind of feel like that's pretty realistic for just apocalypse situations.
Speaker 3:I don't think people are showing their best sides.
Speaker 1:John Malkovich's character.
Speaker 2:he was just cringe think people are showing their best sides, so I think it's it's pretty I think it's pretty.
Speaker 3:I I I hesitate to say realistic, but I think it's uh, I think it's good when every character is pretty unlikable, because I think it's kind of realistic that that's the uh, the side of people that would be shown yeah, I think in a in a uh scenario like that, everybody is going to be showing their worst side.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now, one of the things I would say about john malkovich's character um, I have his name here, I gotta remember it, but he was um douglas he. What made him so annoying was the fact that, yes, he was right about a lot of shit, but he was too much of a coward or too much of a drunk to take control of the situation and be a leader. He wanted to be a Monday morning quarterback. He wanted to be a side chair what do they call that? An armchair leader. He didn't want to actually get in there and and do it.
Speaker 1:He wanted to talk about how he was right all the time afterwards, and that was annoying as yeah, I'm not doing anything to, like you know, show myself as a leader, but I'm gonna say that you guys are doing everything wrong and tell you that I'm always right, like bro. Make it make sense you shouldn't do it.
Speaker 2:You shouldn't do that. You're making a mistake, you're. But I mean, he was right about 50 of the time. And then after, after the movie had gotten into it and basically all of humanity was gone, at that point then I thought that he was right and they should have had that conversation long before. Is look, there's nobody else out there, and the only people who are out there are nuts, so we can't be letting people in anymore. These aren't going to be just your random good neighbor coming by for help yeah, that the other pregnant chick.
Speaker 1:I hated her so much. She was so annoying, just like ew as a person.
Speaker 2:Just ew, yeah, maddie's yelling in the background, uh yeah, I was gonna say I'm like, uh, yeah, no, that's not my wife love when my wife yells in the background, it's so nice.
Speaker 1:A plus two to alex. Uh, how, for what? For existing, I don't fucking know.
Speaker 2:Eric, minus two to you for for low-key, uh, for low-key, pointing out that your wife was yelling you know, I, I, I want to lose, genuinely I do, but it still is infuriating infuriating minus two, infuriating minus one.
Speaker 1:I keep minusing two minus one, uh, but yeah, other pregnant chick hated her this movie sucked.
Speaker 3:I did hate her. It was okay.
Speaker 1:The fact that she named the kids boy and girl is kind of wild. Not only that, but she showed like mad favoritism to like she was such a lovely person? I don't think she really did.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I didn't see much favoritism.
Speaker 1:She I mean, she called him boy I mean showed enough to the point where she was just, she knew like oh yeah yeah, she just finished.
Speaker 3:She just finished playing God of War. You know she was really feeling the Kratos character. She, that's what. That's what it was, boy.
Speaker 1:Boy, You're not ready. Um, yeah, Uh. What do you guys think of? Like, how well do you think you can survive in this sort of situation?
Speaker 3:well, I think it's kind of hard to say because initial thoughts would be it's not that hard to just not look, to keep your eyes closed or keep something wrapped around your head. I think it's a little scary because obviously, like, I don't navigate my traditional life blind, so that would be definitely an adjustment. Um, there's obviously a lot of natural and environmental hazards, uh, that you could run into while blind, but all in all, I don't think it would be that hard. I think the question is, how tempting are those entities, beings, I don't know what you want to call them. How tempting is it? Because, like, the people would keep telling them, like no, take off your blindfold, take off your blindfold, just look at them, look at them, and some of them would try to force you to. Yeah, but the ones who, who it just seemed, the ones that it seemed like they were just kind of egging them on to do it.
Speaker 2:I don't know how tempting it was if, like, the entity was putting some like force upon you where it felt like super compelling, I don't know well, I mean it definitely did when you got to the end and it was using tom's voice telling her I need help, just take your blindfold off just for a minute, just. And it was like rather persuasive. I mean it was the kids.
Speaker 1:Definitely worse for the kids yeah yeah, I, I don't know like, if that shit popped out and was like yo, it's me, scarlett johansson, butt, ass naked, I would, I would feel like I'd have to look, you know he'd be the easiest one to get too tempting. Now in the book, people were blinding themselves in order to stay away from.
Speaker 2:So I don't know, I don't know what what you mean by that? Because me I am a married man and I have no eyes for any other woman, so me and my wife look at girls together. If the entity were to say it's Scarlett Johansson and I'm naked, I would say I'm married.
Speaker 1:And then your fucking wife's voice would pop out. It's okay look.
Speaker 2:Well, in that case, you're like well, my wife said so, so I gotta do it, and I'm sorry to say that I would wind up being like one of those crazy people. It's so beautiful.
Speaker 1:And they are crazy people. It's the mentally unwell who are able to withstand it. It doesn't just choose at random.
Speaker 2:I have a bit of a question for you. And what do you think that threshold is? Now, I know, definitely criminally insane, yeah. But what level of crazy did it like? Did it say? You know, I don't know, I don't even know how it was, how it was working, where it didn't have an effect on them, if you will, because like I've got mad ocd, I don't know that that would qualify in this case.
Speaker 3:Well, no, because that's not criminally insane.
Speaker 2:But criminally insane, show a lot of obsessive compulsive.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but they're not criminally insane because they have OCD. They happen to have OCD, but they're usually like psychopaths.
Speaker 1:They're not going to strap you down a table and fucking electrocute you for being OCD.
Speaker 2:But there's a large number of people who are psychopaths, who never commit a crime. That's weird. They just live amongst the population.
Speaker 3:Sociopaths are far. We're talking criminally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they're not the only ones. I'm saying that as the example of. We knew that that was the case when the guy, if what he said was true, which we have to believe, he was telling the truth.
Speaker 2:Well, I guess that's they came and they made us look and you know, oh no, I was able to hold my eyes closed when one of my colleagues knocked him over and I was able to run and I just kept running until I got here. That whole scenario that he gave was pretending he didn't look, but clearly he did. He was now trying to fool them into believing he was not. Yeah, crazy, and he had said this happened at a mental institute.
Speaker 3:Well, I would say I like, I guess, starting at the top of the list. I'm sure schizophrenia is in that has to be is in that if we go down level, what's down, a level from schizophrenia, well that's the thing. There's no real defined level? Yeah, I know, but I mean, if we were to quantify it, maybe like multi-personality?
Speaker 2:disorder? Here's a question. Yeah, bipolar would probably.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I don't know about bipolar.
Speaker 2:Bipolar is just below schizophrenia.
Speaker 1:Borderline personality disorder.
Speaker 3:That's the one I'm thinking of, because bipolar could just be like manic episodes of depression or like it's not manic episodes.
Speaker 2:It's manic, depressive, they're manic, mania is up. They're high, they go through these episodes of they're on top of the world and then they fucking collapse. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:So I don't know, that to me seems more self-destructive than destructive, but, like multiple personality disorder, I could see that falling into the threshold of falling for this entity kind of thing. You know, I don't know, I don't think bipolar would be the level. I think that would fall underneath the level that's.
Speaker 2:That's good, because I think I think bipolar could work, because in many cases it's a person's inner voice, if you will, already telling them things. That's why they go through such upper and downers. They convince themselves that the world is for them and against them and they just they fly off the handle like this. Now, if that entity which kept talking to people didn't have that kind of control, the inner voice was, let me say, the inner voice was louder, right? Maybe it can't quite control that person in the same way, right? They think that this thing is beautiful. They're looking at it. So I'm thinking severe cases we're not talking about. We're not talking about a case like your mom. We're talking about severe cases of bipolar, like these. People are put on antipsychotics. So I mean there's, there's something there they have to be. There are some levels of this where these people would be immune. I'm just curious what you think that level would be.
Speaker 3:See, that's what I'm saying. I don't think bipolar would fall on that level. I think it would fall underneath, not to say that extreme cases of bipolar might be affected.
Speaker 2:That's the problem.
Speaker 3:But, I think, just like most bipolar, I don't think would fall under this category.
Speaker 2:I agree. I think most disorders, most mental disorders, would not qualify under this. But what's the threshold.
Speaker 3:But I mean, I think the threshold is like I think pretty much any case of multi-personality or schizophrenia is for sure going to fall into that. But that's what I'm saying. I think, like severe cases of bipolar maybe, but probably not most cases Would a sociopath be safe from this?
Speaker 1:I I perhaps that's interesting I think it was kind of weaponizing people, you know all right, that's what I was.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like they're not really safe, they're still being used by the entity.
Speaker 1:They're still, I guess, infected in a way show you whatever it thinks will make you like. Do what it wants, which is to wipe out humanity which one of the theories is that it was.
Speaker 1:It's like nature fighting back because of like pollution and shit, because we're the, we're the issue. You know so and like it, also should like it with the guy who uh in the suit, who eventually murked everybody in the house when he pulled out his drawings. You could see they're all different, right? So it shows up as a bunch of different things.
Speaker 3:I kind of thought of not necessarily this, but I thought more along the lines of angel demon type stuff. Yeah, I didn't really think natural in any way. I definitely don't think it's the earth retaliating for pollution.
Speaker 1:I feel like it is.
Speaker 2:So one of our subscribers, jacob Harper which, by the way, we never mentioned this but to subscribe to our TikTok channel only costs $2.99. And you get exclusive content from the podcast, you get chat access to us in our discord channel and you get the unedited podcast included in the uh, the exclusive content. But jacob commented here I think the entity was like the zombie from world war z. They didn't affect them because they were broken, which I completely agree, jacob. But my question was how broken do you need to be in order to be? Quote unquote. I know what you're saying and I agree with you, but I'm trying to make the point like they were immune to the primary weapon. Can I call it that? The primary weapon was self-deletion and these people? It either wasn't able to control them that way or wasn't interested in controlling them that way.
Speaker 3:I don't know which it was I don't think it was a inability. I think it is a planned action to use these people to try and get more people. I think that's the plan. I definitely don't think it was like ah, these people are just too crazy, I can't control them, because they were being controlled to some extent. They were just now being controlled to try, and maybe yeah, maybe that's what it was, maybe it was quite the opposite that the more broken they are, the easier it is to make them bend to their will.
Speaker 3:And not because maybe it's easier to get somebody to just involuntarily off themselves versus actually convincing them to long-term work for your goal now I've got uh plus two to alec yeah, I saw that coming I was gonna be, I was genuinely so surprised when you're like that's a good point. I was like I feel like it's gonna say negative two points here, so I've got another good one here.
Speaker 2:This nerdy vet deserves a shout out for this. Uh, but I gotta, I gotta correct you. So he's giving the answers. I'm reading the answers, Eric. You can't see them right. You're not looking at the TikTok. I have it in front of me. So it's hilarious. That nerdy vet says in all caps, yelling at you stop stealing our answers, Eric. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm not even reading them.
Speaker 2:He was saying oh, they were saying all of those things in the chat.
Speaker 3:It was perfect, we're the same mind chat. You see, tj hates you because you see how he keeps knocking points off of me and my answers are your answers.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying Just because I feel bad, I'm just pointing it out. I think TJ's a tyrant. I'm going to give plus one to him and I think. Tj hates me and the chat.
Speaker 3:I am one with the people.
Speaker 1:I am a leader of the people. I'll give you minus two. Okay, no, minus one for you.
Speaker 3:Eric, we won't stand for this tyranny. We will rise. We will rise From the ashes. We will rise. You will rue the day that I become host.
Speaker 1:I mean, whatever you say, we'll find out who wins at the end of this one.
Speaker 3:It won't be me, but one day. One day when you forget.
Speaker 1:I won't have. Don't cut yourself out, Eric.
Speaker 3:I have done nothing but lose points. I don't think I've gained a single point this entire episode.
Speaker 1:And we're almost 30 minutes in. I mean I don't see a plus on your side, so that might be correct.
Speaker 2:Yeah so.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so oh, I said minus two to you before we started you remember like earlier when we were playing. Yeah, yeah, I'll put that on.
Speaker 3:Oh and then I said I hear you, I hear you lost points during the live, yeah, during the live.
Speaker 1:I said minus five. I'll put that on. I just want to make sure yeah I mean we're only 30 minutes. Probably not 30 minutes like 20 minutes in sorry what?
Speaker 3:he meant to say was it's alex's game he misspoke uh, you know minus one, so you're calling yourself the. You're calling yourself the resistance right yeah, I feel like this is, I feel like at the end, to be like pitiful. He's gonna be like it's golf score.
Speaker 1:And that is minus 20 points to Eric for figuring out the episode.
Speaker 3:It's golf score. Is it really it's golf score? I feel like it's not. I feel like I'm being baited. I'll believe it when we stop recording and I've won.
Speaker 2:So he hasn't told you that he started me off with a handicap.
Speaker 1:What negative a million.
Speaker 3:I don't know. So I don't know.
Speaker 1:I just that you figured it out, that's minus 20 to you. Well then, in that case, I am killing it. You're so happy? Plus?
Speaker 2:20 no plus 2 million.
Speaker 2:So there there was something, uh, that bothered the hell out of me that maybe they didn't mean to do it like this, I don't know. But in the scene where the guy in the suit goes crazy and he starts ripping all the papers off the windows and making everybody look and all of that stuff, and then he drops douglas down, uh, right over the railing and they collapse on the floor, then he stabs him and whatnot. Then tom gets up, grabs the gun and you see him wrestling for a while. Right, and the thing that annoyed me the most was the gunshot sequence boom, boom. There was no chance for re-racking a shell in that. That was a pump action gun bump stock I was.
Speaker 2:Oh, he had a switch on it tell me you're from a state that doesn't allow guns, from a state bro, he was just double pumping.
Speaker 3:You ever heard of the double pump strap?
Speaker 2:from fortnight, two shells in the chamber everybody knows that when you go shooting, you shoot like you do in Fortnite.
Speaker 3:Yeah he had two shotguns. He had the first shotgun and then he had the second shotgun and he just shot the first one and switched out to the second one really quick. He had mats too, so he was able to build yeah and he was even yeah, like he said, he was even building His edit game is crazy, His edit game is crazy.
Speaker 1:His edit game is crazy.
Speaker 2:On that note, guys, make sure you go check out. Will you Survive Gaming where these clowns go and do stuff like this? We don't play.
Speaker 3:Fortnite, but we do play games.
Speaker 1:I think, if people think we play Fortnite they're not going to look at it. It would be a bad thing, yeah.
Speaker 2:What's the one that you guys do where you parachute in?
Speaker 3:That wasn't uh uh cod that's uh, was it recently that you watched this?
Speaker 2:I've only ever seen you play it um. I know people play it all the time online. I just I never watched theirs it's gotta be yeah what's the one where they, where they land and then there's like gas surrounding them on all sides yeah, that could be literally any battle royale. That's.
Speaker 1:Warzone, warzone, it's gas.
Speaker 2:So survival in Bird Box.
Speaker 3:So this explores the loss of sight, which I do like when movies explore the loss of a sense.
Speaker 1:Which is why I chose this, because I was originally going to do it after we did the Quiet Place.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's cool because we've seen movies now where they you lose your, like you can't talk, like a quiet place, uh, we've seen ones where you lose your sense of hearing, which is like hush, um, and now one where you lose your sight and I think, adding on to an already very stressful and apocalyptic situation where most of the planet is dying rather rapidly, also losing a primary sense is pretty catastrophic and I think definitely leads to a lot more fatalities than would otherwise happen. Um kind of like. This movie is very similar to do you guys remember the movie? Um the happening?
Speaker 3:uh, yeah, the m night shamalan movie with marky mark in it yeah, with mark walbert I watched it essentially like people just start off in themselves and everybody's like what the hell is happening, and I forget what they what it ended up being I legit like one.
Speaker 1:I watched it once yeah, for a second.
Speaker 3:They were like it must be the plants. And they were like inspecting this one plant and they're like oh my god, at any more, at any point I might end up just offing myself and then they're like, oh, it's a plastic plant. They were like inspect, oh my God, at any point I might end up just offing myself and then they're like oh, it's a plastic plant. They were like inspecting this one plant thing and like, oh, maybe it's the plants that are doing it. And it got like all tense and they're like oh, it's plastic.
Speaker 2:That's bizarre.
Speaker 3:Well, because it was an indoor plant and they're like oh, whoops, no, the only I think it was like it's a weird movie.
Speaker 1:I think it was like A combine or something or like a tractor, oh yeah, and then dude just Lays down in front of it. That's literally All I remember from that. It's a pretty wild movie I came out in like 2007 or something Like I do not 2010, I think, or something like that, no Cause I I was still living In that one apartment. So it is either. It was up to 2009,. I think I don't know when, but it's in that range 2007, 2009.
Speaker 3:Sometime around there. It's a good movie. I like it. It's a little weird, but it kind of reminds me of Bird Box. It has a similar kind of feel to it. It's the whole like you off yourself if you get infected, type thing.
Speaker 1:Hey, listeners to it. It's the whole like you off yourself if you get infected, type thing. Hey, listeners, I don't know if you can tell we're all tired a little bit.
Speaker 3:It's a little bit more of a calm episode, for sure, yeah it's a very common, but you know it. It was jeopardy, and then this you know like mark walberg and zoe deschanel yeah, oh zoe deschanel, I forgot about that, oh yeah, I used to love her bro 2008 yeah, see, I was in the range yeah, zoe de chanel. Like I, I never recognized her without bangs.
Speaker 1:Yeah she looks like an entirely different human that's not. Yeah, no, she needs to just stick with that yeah, anytime, like an elf.
Speaker 3:I did not know that was zoe de chanel for a really long time. She looks like my wife a little bit. Yeah, she just like without bangs.
Speaker 1:Completely different woman I've never seen your wife, so I wouldn't know go get her.
Speaker 3:No go wake her up right now corinne, corinne help what, what?
Speaker 2:no, it was so funny that she had said uh, I it was like two days later. And she was like and it was like two days later and she was like why were you guys screaming my name on the podcast while you were recording? I was like what, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2:And then the episode came out and it was at the beginning and you were doing that yeah, we're all, corrine, come here. She was like why were you screaming my name? I was like, oh my God, I completely fucking forgot about it until I heard the episode tune in to the geppardy episode from a while back.
Speaker 1:Do you think you would survive bird box?
Speaker 3:I personally don't I unless I were to, because, like I can't, I don't think I could blind myself and I don't think I would survive unless I was blind. So I don't know oh, here's a question.
Speaker 1:How blind do you have to be to not be affected?
Speaker 3:that's true.
Speaker 1:That's a good question how blind because you can, I think, stages if you're just, if you're just legally blind I think she had a.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm legally blind.
Speaker 1:You could still see she can kind of still see out of her mask just slightly that's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I was thinking is like there's still some, there's still some sight through that. But what would it be? I would say she was probably blocking 90, 90 plus percent of her site which is basically fucking useless.
Speaker 1:I would say that they're pretty smart with like their tools and stuff, like the kind of fishing line that they go with you know everywhere. That's pretty decent. Fishing line that they go with you know everywhere, that's pretty decent. Um, they were smart with the car to black out the windows and use, like the gps and the auto sensing stuff to get through. That's cool, um, can you guys think of any other noise?
Speaker 2:uh, survival tactics um well, so driving in the car, blacking out all of the windows, doing doing all of that, that was pretty cool, I think. Point out a little bit of plot armor, because clearly they got a lot of groceries into that car without looking somehow, and I don't know how that would have worked out.
Speaker 1:Good point, I would have just drove it into the store.
Speaker 3:Drove it into the store. I would have just drove it into the store.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to put that where I yawned, just so.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm gonna be laughing over it, so you might want to try it again.
Speaker 1:I mean, I would have just driven it into the store and there you go that right before yeah, that'll be the one that I put dude, the fucking the little girl, though she said stay in the boat. She's a pretty scary lady. She was like I will hurt you if you don't listen to me. And she's like, yeah, I'm going to get out the boat.
Speaker 2:Dude. You know what, though? I thought the same thing. I was pissed. I'm like this stupid little girl, right, I mean, it was a little kid, but it all made sense at the end. When boy said she's scared of you, I was like, oh my God, like she's so scared of her that she was willing to get out of the boat to try to get, maybe get away, I don't know. I know she said that she was trying to help, but like she wasn't following the the line that she had drawn, right, she was going off somewhere else. Now she did wrap the rope around herself, so Mallory was able to pull her back, which I mean I hate to say this because we might have somebody named Mallory in our- group, but what kind of?
Speaker 2:name is Mallory. I was literally going to say that Okay, guys.
Speaker 1:What kind of name is Mallory?
Speaker 3:I've only known one Mallory in my life.
Speaker 2:Mallory. So I will say, in this particular type of scenario, I think the best uh shoddy to have would be uh with buck rounds, because if you don't have to aim you could just spray and pray that's pretty much all you can do, right? You just like you just keep going, hey fucking dude had like anti-stormtrooper aim he was.
Speaker 1:He was hitting them shots. He was like you know what, screw it took the blindfold off, went john wick for like five seconds oh, yeah, still got the kill after getting possessed that was it john malkovich's character who was like fighting it off for a while.
Speaker 3:Am I thinking of a different movie? Is this?
Speaker 2:no, tom fought it off for a while that's who it was because he looked at the guy who was chasing mallory and he like fought, he fought, he fought, he fired, he was down and then he turned the gun on himself.
Speaker 3:Yeah that was pretty fucking cool. So that shows an interesting thing that it is like it's taking over you and you can kind of fight it off. It makes you wonder if there's maybe some people. It makes you wonder if there's anybody who's completely immune to it, because there's. There's the crazy people who are used by it. And then he showed some fight, not not very long seconds long, but he was able to fight it off for a little bit in order to protect them. And and did he end up? Did he end up?
Speaker 1:offing himself tom, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah real question what do you think would happen if you showed the baby like a baby to it? You know?
Speaker 2:I. I see, I had that exact same thought what would happen? What can they do? They can't do anything like say wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, hold on, stop breathing.
Speaker 1:Newborns, they could stop breathing, yeah no, I uh, I've seen a video.
Speaker 2:They told me that when my son was born they said if he stops breathing, just you, just tap him, and they'll like remember it just start breathing again to breathe.
Speaker 1:I've seen a video. Yeah, they do. The kid was not just holding his breath for so long, his lips were turning purple. I'm like breathe little shit, God damn. That's why I like animals more than I like children.
Speaker 3:Animals will do the same stuff. I mean not that exact thing but they'll do equivalent. They'll do equivalent things. For instance, we had a dog who ate a rice sock equivalent. Like. They'll do equivalent things that you're like, all right, like I mean. For instance, we had a dog who ate a rice sock, you know, like a sock that you fill with rice and you heat up for massaging purposes.
Speaker 1:He ate one of those and he had to go to the er and get his stomach cut open because that's really bad I've seen a video of a dog just eating a regular sock and the the owner got to it in time and just pulled it out yeah, we had a golden retriever at work who was out for two weeks because he had stomach surgery, because he ate a sock and it got stuck in his intestines Classic golden retriever. He's just retrieving the sock, dude, Dude they do that.
Speaker 3:Golden retrievers and socks man, it's like a moth to a flame.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like a moth to a flame. Yeah, it's like a moth to like chihuahuas and pads shaking. That's like a moth to a flame. Every chihuahua I've had has gone through my mother's trash and just ripped it apart all over the floor. Really, yeah.
Speaker 3:I've never had a chihuahua. I think that's just.
Speaker 1:Most dogs, I think, Because I think that's what also happened with our wiener dog Beans. Matty told me this he would eat the bottom out of underwear.
Speaker 3:What a little perv.
Speaker 1:And he had a foot fetish.
Speaker 3:A little nasty ass.
Speaker 1:You just rub his ears on your feet.
Speaker 3:So my co-manager, her dog. She left her dog at the facility overnight and when I went to go drop dogs off I put her dog in the backyard, in the back house, and I was like, oh, she'll be fine. And I went to go do something and I came back and the uh, the, the trash can was all over the place. It was on the ground. The trash bag was ripped open. She just destroyed everything. So I was like, wow, I can't believe she did that. So I picked up everything and cleaned it all. I a picture to her mom and then I was like I got you, I'm gonna put the trash can in the bathroom now. I was like, yeah, try getting it now. Huh, and then I get a text from from a staff member a few hours later and they're like I don't know what the hell happened here. And they send a picture and there's just trash all over the place and the trash cans just sticking out of the bathroom door.
Speaker 3:The dog opened the bathroom door and pulled the trash out again and it was basically like, yeah, dumbass, that really stopped me yeah, some dogs can just open doors yeah, so the second time I put the trash can in a crate and I got the last laugh on that one reminds me of uh wade his dog broke into his car, locked himself in oh yeah and then he found it have you ever heard that story?
Speaker 3:no, we're totally like, quite literally. Yeah, pretty much so. Wade tells a story where he had I think it was a german shepherd, he said, who got locked in his car and it got hot and the dog freaked out rightfully so and was just shredding the entire interior trying to get out. And when they finally noticed, like where is the dog, they found it and, like he said, like the windows were all steamy and it was bad, like they opened the door and the dog flew out and he thousands of dollars of damage from this dog.
Speaker 2:They deserve it.
Speaker 3:I mean, it was like it was not obviously not an intentional thing, and it was kind of like a weird situation of how it happened.
Speaker 2:I still hate people who accidentally forget their kids in the car, Like how do you forget? How do you forget?
Speaker 3:This was a little different. It wasn't like they forgot it, the dog. The dog got in and locked itself in. I think they forgot it in the front yard though and it took a while before they were like wait, where's the dog?
Speaker 2:oh, how did it even get in open? Let's open. I don't know, I don't know, let's get. Don't underestimate a dog.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That'd be cool.
Speaker 2:So one of the things for this movie, this style of survival, safe to call it supernatural, right, I would say so.
Speaker 3:That's what I was going to ask Is it more supernatural or is it more like? Are we thinking like angel demon type stuff? That's still supernatural.
Speaker 1:I guess. So yeah, they're zombies, the possessed infected, if you will I?
Speaker 3:I don't know about that. I would say they're infected I would say they're infected.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't even say infected. If we're calling it supernatural, I'd say they're possessed but there can be supernatural zombies there can be supernatural zombies, but zombies must be deceased true yeah, none of these people were deceased, at least that we know of.
Speaker 3:We never saw any. Well, we don't know that they're not, you know, dead on the inside and just being completely possessed, but it doesn't seem like it. There's no indicator that that is the case.
Speaker 2:There would be no way that this, that there would be no way for them to be dead by the way that they were driving Not zombies, because zombies also have no intellect, or very low intellect.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they definitely wouldn't be zombies.
Speaker 2:Um, I don't think they're, but I think they're a lot more important question in this is would you try to do what, what she did at the end? Would you try to establish or join a group?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean I think you have to by this point like it's been years, you know. So most everybody's gone. It's not like everything's new and you're not sure like what's what. Everything's pretty much figured out by this point. You know, like the rules of like the land, so a new world. If like causing the situation, I think I might join a group because you got wild fucking psycho people ripping your eyes open, telling you to see the light.
Speaker 3:You know you can't go scavenge for supplies and like that'll you know, you might run into those people I think it's like most, uh most, survival situations, like especially apocalypse worlds, where you pretty much need a group because think about if you get sick or whatever, like we've talked about before, you need a group just for survival. Humans have always been tribe or village creatures. We've never been ones to just go off on our own. There's very it's a very rare type of person, I think, who would like to just go off on our own. There's very it's a very rare type of person, I think who would like to just go live off the land in the woods by themselves.
Speaker 1:That's not a very common personality type, I would say but like the fact that dude was so like ready to just trust the guy on the radio. You know, that's not because you, the people who are possessed by this thing, can act normal.
Speaker 2:Clearly. We saw that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'd seen that multiple times the freaking dude who got into the house in a suit, the guy in the water when they were floating down the river.
Speaker 3:A trope that I've noticed is that radio kind of equals hope. In a lot of these movies, even like A Quiet Place, radios were always like, or even like in Love and Monsters radios are always like a hope that you're going to establish communication with someone else who will be normal True.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay. So you guys see, I asked that question because one of the things we always say I always say this on the live, we always say this in the podcast is, in a scenario of this nature, of the zombie nature, all in all, this is a disaster, a crisis. Right, you bug in. Right, we were talking about this on Wednesday night you bug in and you try to hold out for as long as you can. If you could go 45 days or more, you're solid. Right Now, clearly, they were beyond 45, 45 days. Those kids were years old, from newborn, so they were there for quite some time and they were making it work as they were, as they were going around and scavenging houses and doing the damn thing. So I bring this question up because we also always say that people are the real threat in these scenarios, not necessarily the entity. The entity is bad, the entity is a problem, the entity will cause your unaliving, but people are the the threat?
Speaker 1:I think there's like it's even a double threat now, because there's the people who are possessed and then just the bad people yeah, like I don't see how there'd be, like I don't see how there'd be more bad people than like the possessed, you know, because you can't really negan your way up if you're blind, you know if I may, I I would say that bad and possessed are one in the same in this world.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean kinda, I, I I hesitate to think that really anybody survives. I I think obviously there would be survivors, but I think the odds that there's only bad people alive who aren't possessed would be or like that there'd be more bad than good would be kind of low chances. But the argument that I would have against that would be that I think the situation would make good people bad, and that's where I think that you know there's that double-edged sword now, where there's the possessed bad people and just the bad bad people who are just out for themselves and will hurt you to get whatever they need.
Speaker 2:Which I think that brings up a morally gray question Are you bad if you're willing to do whatever it takes to keep your family fed?
Speaker 1:Well, I think if you're seeking out confrontation in that situation, then, yes, like oh, I got to keep my family alive. I'm going to go next door and murder all of them in there and take their stuff. Like that's not you're bad. No, but what if you? But what?
Speaker 2:if you come upon a house where they're, where they're locked up and stockpiled, and you find that they're there, you have a standoff and you're just quicker at the draw, are you? Are you then a bad person? They all would have, they all would have unalived you, but you are technically the aggressor, breaking into their hideout and you just happen to be faster.
Speaker 1:Apocalyptic philosophy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, you can always count on me host.
Speaker 1:You're right, minus two points to you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a really tough gray area because See, because you're not going to go fight people, you're not going hunting people. You are going looking for food and you happen to come upon people who have food. You didn't even know the people were in there until you broke in and found them there. But now there's a standoff because, of course, if we're the ones in the home and somebody's breaking in, we're going to defend ourselves or at least try, right? So I mean, is either one of them like fully right and wrong?
Speaker 3:no, I, I do think it's just it. Unfortunately, in a world like that, I think it's just survival of the fittest or the fastest, or yeah, you know like whoever's murder is just bad period, you know.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, whoever you know, it doesn't make you like a bad person necessarily, but like the act of it is like, I think you're gonna have to grapple with it yeah you, you gotta do what you gotta do, like you know, keep your family alive.
Speaker 3:But is it realistic to?
Speaker 1:even they also have to do that.
Speaker 3:Is it realistic to even think that you could survive a situation like this without taking a life? I don't think it's very reasonable to think that you'll go through this whole situation and not have to do that. I think that's a realization you're going to have to face pretty early on.
Speaker 1:Everybody has that in them, you know like, unless you're a wimp like Eric.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Joking, but like in an apocalyptic situation like this, I would. I would do anything to protect my family. Like I would go full Rick in that one episode where he just bites dude's neck out like to save Carl.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, whatever I gotta do does that make me a bad person?
Speaker 1:I don't fucking care at that point.
Speaker 3:I'm there to protect my kid I mean, I think you know good or in bad is so subjective as it is, but I think, especially when you add, you know the world ending in the mix I I think that the line of good and bad gets even more blurred.
Speaker 2:Well so, let me give you a couple of defined bullet points, okay, traits that a psychopath would tend to have Lack of empathy, superficial charm, impulsivity and irresponsibility, a grandoy sense of self-importance and deceitfulness. Those are just some characteristics, and there are many psychopaths who live in society who are not violent criminals, but they have all of these traits. Now here let me pose something to you. You come across somebody in this scenario, in a disaster, and they happen to have these traits, they happen to be a psychopath, and you force them to unalive. And now this is just me telling a spooky rendition of this movie. You cause them to unalive. And now this is just me telling a a spooky rendition of this, of this movie. You cause them to unalive. You broke into their house. They're defending themselves and their family. They unalive you and you awaken that demon inside of them.
Speaker 1:Now I think, what?
Speaker 2:how scary would it be. Wait what, what did you not get?
Speaker 3:Somebody's a psychopath.
Speaker 2:You're a psychopath? Okay, I'll use you as the example. You're the psychopath. You're just staying in your house protecting you and your family. Somebody breaks in and wants to take your food. You want to live them and that wakes up this demon think that's good inside of you but now hold on, how much scarier would it be for your family to be watching you and see you're immune to this thing and you're saying look, look, how beautiful it is.
Speaker 3:Wouldn't that be terrifying? I don't I. I don't like to use the word immune, because they're, they're, I don't care about I don't care about the word.
Speaker 2:Don't focus on the word. Focus on. You're sitting at home. You're watching this person that you've been living with. They've been just as scared of this thing as you are. They've been avoiding it, they've been blindfolding themselves, they've been doing all of the same things and then, all of the sudden, they're just like turned I mean, yeah, that'd be, yeah, I'm yeah, that'd be scary you're like I've been living with a psychopath. I mean how?
Speaker 3:how else could you think of it? Yeah, but you would have to know that yeah, they're like that that's the case.
Speaker 1:No, that's the thing, people don't know that psychopaths are no that's not what I mean you're missing out.
Speaker 3:You would have to know you would have to know that it's the mentally broken people who are affected that way. That's my point, because if you don't know that, then you just think that your loved one is now possessed.
Speaker 2:We knew that because of the guy who broke in in the suit, because if you don't know that, then you just think that your loved one is now possessed. We knew that because of the guy who broke in in the suit, claiming to be just a guy from work. But all of these mental institutes, all of these people in the mental hospital.
Speaker 1:Eventually in this universe they get to a point where they're not automatically like opening your eyes to like see the creature. They capture you and break down your like brain, you know, like just make you crazy, and then show you to the creature oh my god.
Speaker 2:And we would say make their army stronger and then repeat potentially those are, and then if you twist the story, you tell the story from their side.
Speaker 3:They're the good guys, yeah because, they're making you immune I kind of view these, I kind of view this entity as incredibly intelligent. This is how I view it that it's incredibly intelligent and it understands that, in order for it to spread, it can't unalive everybody, so that's why it had to pick some that it would just possess instead, which is why I think TJ's right that it's the weak-minded ones, it's the ones who are already tormented who are able to be possessed.
Speaker 2:It didn't need people to spread it. It wasn't like a virus.
Speaker 3:It existed. No, but there was people who were going to cover their eyes, and I think the entity knew that, and so it realized like, okay, if I'm going to get everybody, then I'm going to have to start using some of them to convince the others to take off their blindfolds, because they're not doing it, they're keeping their blindfolds on, but again, a psychopath is not a weak mind.
Speaker 2:They're usually very intelligent they're a broken mind.
Speaker 3:they're a troubled mind, however you want to word it, but the the entity had to use people to get to the rest of them and I think it understood that. So I view the entity as more of like the World War Z virus, where those zombies were just like take a bite, move on, take a bite move on. Take a bite, move on. Take a bite, move on. They were focused on spreading, not eating, and that's what I think that this virus, or that this entity was kind of doing.
Speaker 2:It's too bad that we already brought that point up earlier in the podcast what plus two points.
Speaker 1:You, alex, great point I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know which way is good and which way is bad. Plus and minus I I haven't even made up my mind yet, so or?
Speaker 1:have I, you won't know you.
Speaker 2:Just you might have it written at the top of this paper also.
Speaker 1:I wrote next episode when goes to me. I wrote that in the jeopardy episode and I think that counted. Like I got that, I got the win. You see the tyrant. Oh that's crazy. I whatever I write in this book comes true oh, did you see it?
Speaker 3:it's not too late. Book comes true. Oh, did you see it? It's not too late to join the revolution, did you see it? What the markings? Oh no, I'm just saying you hear, he's becoming a tyrant.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's not too late, you can join the revolution.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm not worried about it. I've got the chat on my side.
Speaker 1:Join me. It's so beautiful.
Speaker 3:I think I'm gonna look, it sounded kind of creepy. Nice try, diddy you should have.
Speaker 2:You should have threw down the no diddy after. The freaking monster in this movie is just diddy dude diddy, giving everybody their memory back of what he did to them when he took them to his party I feel like we're devolving in this episode, you know what I think hey, we're still on the movie
Speaker 1:I. I really want to know what the hell the ai is gonna put for our description yeah, what because it does like beginning middle middle and end. That's funny.
Speaker 3:It's for sure going to mention Diddy here. Let's just make sure Diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy. It's going to say I'm going to bet it's going to say no, don't say that Bad he.
Speaker 2:You know my boss loves to use the.
Speaker 3:My boss loves to use the voice voice to text and occasionally it gets something wrong. So I always have to read his messages out loud and then I'm like, oh no, I hear it now. I hear how it got that confused.
Speaker 2:Josh says the question is did he do it? Did he did it?
Speaker 3:will you survive?
Speaker 1:no, and out next episode, where we have Puff Daddy.
Speaker 3:Combs.
Speaker 1:Where we interview Diddy From prison.
Speaker 3:That's a lie. It's a lie. It's over the phone from prison with an AI who is not actually him. We're not interviewing Diddy.
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Speaker 1:I have tallied up all of the points. It was a very long, hard fight for both of them. They both had a chance. Before the episode started, I decided it would be golf rules, eric. Uh, oh, so it was true.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so you're screwed, alex eric, do you know how many negative points I got? It was like a billion.
Speaker 1:Hey, Eric.
Speaker 3:I have like the US's debt, but in negative. I have that. That's my points.
Speaker 1:Eric has negative 38 points and Alex has one point. The winner today is Eric.
Speaker 3:Let's go. The losing streak is over. Boys, I am gonna become a tyrant. I'm gonna take over the next five episodes. I'm gonna tell you what?
Speaker 2:every single time, every single time look if the establishment is on your side.
Speaker 3:You're not the fucking resistance dog I, there is we, the resistance, got a win today. We won, we took over, and you know what we're gonna pendulum. We're gonna pendulum the other way hard be crazy hard the other way.
Speaker 1:It's gonna be good that if me and Alex made a handshake deal that I would make you think that you won and then next episode he's gonna introduce. Now the episodes ever stay alive. Do that I'm?
Speaker 3:the host and then next episode he's gonna introduce. No, the episode's over, stay alive yeah, do that, I'm the host plus 20 points to Eric no, it's more.
Speaker 2:Like you can't do that, I'm editing it true, I can just edit that out. That's crazy you know what I'm gonna edit a funny sentence here from Eric's voice.
Speaker 3:That's so much work for you.
Speaker 1:Eric, can you say gay real quick? No, Say it like community I'll just make it sound like, eric, I'll just go again.
Speaker 3:Hi, it's me Eric. I should have just said it I'm a supporter of.
Speaker 1:P Diddy.
Speaker 2:Oh damn. Canceled.
Speaker 1:Thank you all for listening. Eric doesn't get a winner speech. He doesn't get a loser speech because I don't really care. I am the host still. So I get to choose what is what. Who is who, and I will say that I would survive this because I'm the best. Eric wouldn't survive, Alex would probably survive, but I think he would go insane from the fact that he'd be trapped in the house with Eric.
Speaker 3:Honestly fair enough, Fair enough.
Speaker 1:Thank you all for listening. This has been the Will you Survive podcast. My name is TJ.
Speaker 3:I'm Eric and I'm Alex. I didn't mean to sound so sad. I won.
Speaker 1:I'm supposed to be happy? Yeah, eric won, and until next time he's not even happy about it.
Speaker 3:I'm smiling, I'm just tired.
Speaker 1:Stay alive and look at it. It's beautiful. Just look at it. Just look at it. Look at it, take the blindfold off you.
