Will You Survive... The Podcast
Immerse yourself in the world of cinema as we embark on a journey to equip you with the skills to tackle any disaster head-on. Through the lens of thrilling tales, particularly those of the zombie apocalypse, we'll unravel the secrets of preparedness. Join us as we explore the silver screen to empower you for the challenges that lie ahead.
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Will You Survive "Cargo": Fatherhood and Ethical Dilemmas in the Apocalypse
Ever wondered how a father's instincts could make or break survival in a zombie apocalypse? Join us on "Will You Survive? The Podcast," as we unpack the intense journey of Andy, Kay, and their baby daughter Rosie in the film "Cargo," now streaming on Netflix. Our hosts Alex, Eric, and TJ (aka Ants in my Eyes Johnson) scrutinize Andy's life-and-death decisions, from his initial boat strategy to his shattering honesty with Kay. We spotlight the critical role of communication and trust, emphasizing how small lapses can snowball into catastrophic events.
Fatherhood can be a double-edged sword in a post-apocalyptic world, and our discussion zooms in on how Andy's paternal instincts shape his choices. We dissect high-stress moments, including a harrowing car crash involving his zombified wife, to evaluate his strategies for safeguarding Rosie. The episode also delves into the complexity of Andy's interactions with other survivors, where desperation and trust collide in surprising ways. We ponder how different his decisions might have been if he were navigating the apocalypse alone.
Survival isn't just about staying alive; it's about maintaining your humanity. We explore the ethical dilemmas and resourceful tactics depicted in "Cargo," such as using intestines to lure zombies and masking human scent with ash. Our conversation contrasts the approaches of different survivor groups, adding layers of depth to Andy's narrative. Don't miss our light-hearted tiebreaker question that wraps up the episode, offering a fun resolution to our spirited debates. Tune in for a riveting discussion that challenges conventional wisdom on survival and ethics in an unforgiving world.
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Hello survivors and welcome to another episode of Will you Survive? The.
Speaker 2:Podcast.
Speaker 1:In today's episode we are going to be talking about the movie Cargo. I do realize that it's only available on Netflix. Sorry about that. We will spoil it for you, don't worry, on Netflix. Sorry about that, we will spoil it for you, don't worry. And to go over this amazing horror survival, they are my co-hosts, along with me. My name is Alex, I'm Eric.
Speaker 2:And I'm Ants in my Eyes, johnson, I have ants in my eyes. Aka TJ.
Speaker 3:How'd you get ants in your eyes? I like anthills. I like anthills. It's a fair enough question. I like lamp.
Speaker 1:I like anthills.
Speaker 2:It's a fair enough question I like lamp. Oh, this is going to be a good podcast.
Speaker 3:All right, we're definitely in a mood.
Speaker 1:I'm going to catch up with that mood with my drink over here.
Speaker 3:Can we preface? Tj and I have just had an argument. We've just had a fight because he broke one of our rules. Oh, I heard you. We were playing chain together and he didn't. He made the rule. He made the rule that we always bounce once on a trampoline unless we say go, no, stop. And he didn't. He didn't do it and then we fell all the way to the beginning again and um.
Speaker 1:So there's some tension, I feel and that's why we're recording so early today. Well, allow me to disperse that tension, because, for all of you who haven't seen or don't have Netflix, and can't see Cargo.
Speaker 1:I will go ahead and tell you what this movie is about. The storyline is in Australia. Andy and his wife Kay are fleeing from a zombie epidemic with their baby daughter, Rosie, in a boat. They are running out of food and Andy moors his boat nearby a sinking yacht. He goes there to scavenge supplies and returns safely to his boat with some supplies. While Andy is resting with Rosie, Kat decides to go to the yacht to search more and is bitten by a zombie. Andy decides to take Kay to the hospital and uses an abandoned car to go with his wife and Rosie. However, he startles with a zombie aboriginal on the road and crashes his car on a tree, injuring Kay with a branch. She turns into a zombie and bites Andy in the arm. Now he has a few hours to find someone in the middle of nowhere to foster Rosie. I think that's a pretty good description.
Speaker 2:Let me start this episode off by saying main character was a dipshit.
Speaker 1:He was a dipshit half way through the movie.
Speaker 3:All the way until the end shit.
Speaker 2:Other half like less dipshit, but dipshit okay, let me.
Speaker 1:Let me say I gotta add my take here. All right, because at the very, very beginning on the boat, his stance against his wife we should just go on land, no, on the river is the safest place. I thought he was the smartest, right, I thought that was good, good survival skills there. Then she gets bit and oh, we got to go to the hospital. And dipshit is where he's sitting there arguing with her and she says he says what do I not have any say in this? And she logically and soundly says no, honey, honey, you don't.
Speaker 3:I have a problem before that. That makes him a dipshit. He lied to her and that's why she got bit in the first place. Because he goes to that yacht, he goes in. He clearly heard something while he was scavenging and so he got scared and he dipped out. He got her an anniversary gift. Now, he didn't know she found it, but he gets her a gift. And then, when gift now he didn't know she found it, but he gets her a gift and then he, when he tells her about the yacht, he goes oh no, completely safe. Completely safe, true, no, like because he's lying, because he doesn't want her to worry. But all he did was tell her, like when she found that gift, she decided I'm gonna go get him an anniversary gift now.
Speaker 3:and that's what got her bit she went to go get a freaking razor to shave her legs no, for him to shave for him to shave yeah she told him uh, uh, they should find a razor so he could shave, and he was like no, this is rugged, so that was dumb.
Speaker 1:Why would she? Why would she go to get him a gift that he didn't want? Because she's a woman I don't, I mean if, if I told, if I told my wife I don't want to shave and that's not why she went. She went to get him a gift and she did end up finding a razor.
Speaker 3:But then she got, she got bit, and that was not why she went. She went to get him a gift and she did end up finding a razor, but then she got, she got bit and that was.
Speaker 1:But I think you're right, I mean it was it was absolutely freaking retarded that he lied to her. There should have been no reason for him to be like, no, completely safe. Completely safe, no, it's not not.
Speaker 3:But then again it's like kind of dumb on her part to think that there's anything considered safe, but but I mean, it is kind of an I don't know, I would be on guard. But I think if, if you came in and you told me oh yeah, no, completely safe, it's completely safe, I might go.
Speaker 1:No, this is why I'm agreeing with you, cause I would never say that.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like I would trust youass. It's also stupid that she didn't tell him that she was going because she wanted to be oh, I'm gonna get him a gift, blah, blah, blah. Surprise him. Yeah, let him know. I agree, he is asleep with your daughter if anything were to happen to you right you know, right, because, again, what do we always say on this podcast?
Speaker 1:what is the real threat? People, people literally oh well, yeah, I guess someone else sees a yacht and they go and climb aboard it, and she goes and climbs aboard it. You have another problem yeah you know you have living people who want to do horrible, terrible things to you. Well, there you have just as much of a problem, don't you?
Speaker 3:I agree. I think it's a pretty good rule to always go in at least pairs, but I mean that's a little hard for them to do because they have the baby. Yep man, having a baby during an apocalypse would be.
Speaker 1:Well, and that hits kind of hard because I do have a toddler and a child.
Speaker 3:At least they can. They can go kind of well, I would.
Speaker 1:I think I would have to strap ollie to me and carry and run right just like that. That would be pick them up and go. That would be the necessity. I don't think they could run by themselves.
Speaker 3:Well, no, I'm not talking like running away from zombies, but I'm talking like in. Just like we're going to go scout this area, they could walk yeah.
Speaker 1:I still don't think I would let a toddler walk around because he's so noisy, he likes to make noise, he likes you know. This is why, and it's just, there's too many opportunities for a toddler to get into trouble in a world of zombies.
Speaker 3:I mean, we kind of saw that in A Quiet Place.
Speaker 1:Oh, that one was hard.
Speaker 2:Right out the gate Yoinked.
Speaker 1:So with that, I have some questions for you guys. But I'm going to do this a little bit differently because I want to get further down my list than we have in the past. So I'm not going to ask you guys the same questions. I'm going to ask you both. I'm going to ask you different questions and I want that. This way, you guys aren't competing with each other on the same question. You're competing with each other on your question. I'll still compete.
Speaker 3:All right, I was going to say I will still.
Speaker 1:Well, you can add to, you can. Okay, here's the thing, what you can do, here's how we'll do this. I will you give an answer, poignant and relevant to the question. You get a point, you get. The other person gets an opportunity to steal that point if they can make a compelling counter argument to what was originally said.
Speaker 3:Does there get to be a final rebuttal? No, if they want it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it'll be. It'll be answer, response, reply.
Speaker 3:OK, all right, classic debate. All right, classic debate. You're fucked.
Speaker 1:All right, so the first topic. I'm go to tj first this is no, it's because I think, uh, the the whole reason for this is this is too close to you oh, okay so I think you would have.
Speaker 1:I think your answer would be influenced by your, your direct family life, knowing me, my, my other kids, how this goes. So this is family, family versus survival. Your question is how does Andy's role as a father impact his survival decisions, and would his choices be different if he were alone? And try to give me some some examples, if you can talk about the main character.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, main character. I ass question. Yeah, yeah, yeah, main character. I just called him dipshit the whole time. I didn't know his name was Andy.
Speaker 1:Anyways, I just said his name was Andy in the storyline. You're not listening. Not a good start.
Speaker 2:I was listening, but I was also looking at Eric. He's not practicing proper knife safety and a key to survival is safety. Know safety with your, your tools.
Speaker 3:My counter argument is that he should lose points.
Speaker 1:Your honor okay, all right, be serious.
Speaker 2:So be serious did his decisions get affected by him being a father for short? Okay, um, I personally think that brother didn't know what the fuck he was doing. Uh, he made bad decisions all the time, um, for his daughter. Uh, example, when the car crashed and he passed out, woke up seeing his wife was a zombie. As a father, I would, yes, want to save my child, but I'd also want to do it in, like, the best way possible. Me getting bit and dying is not the best way to take care of my daughter, so I would not reach past her. I would get out of the car because she's she was impaled, she's not moving, she wasn't going to be able to get to the baby, so no I don't think there would be any difference if he were alone.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure he would just die faster. Perhaps him being a father. Let him last longer in such a world, but if he, if he was alone, he's dead second part of that quite okay.
Speaker 1:So you think his choices if he were alone would be different and that he would die?
Speaker 2:yes right.
Speaker 1:You think he was a dipshit as a father not thinking about the survival of his daughter in making the first really stupid decision yeah, that's, it was completely his fault, yeah okay, let me. I just I need to lead you a little bit. I need to lead you a little bit because I know you're you're fucking angry at this guy, which is fine, because I, I think you're going to lead him.
Speaker 3:You're not going to give me a chance to take it.
Speaker 1:Well, hold on, cause. I have a couple of things like cause you did make mention I, I, I want to be fair here because you did make mention that in the second half of it he was really brilliant in some of the things he did, especially surviving, you know, keeping the keeping the baby alive.
Speaker 3:He got crafty bro surviving, you know keeping the baby alive.
Speaker 1:He got crafty, bro, and so what do you think about some of those decisions? You know he met again the real threat the other human who tried to imprison him and wanted the woman who was not his wife to take care of the baby as like some weird family.
Speaker 3:Oh really quick. Tj and I both when we first saw her we're like damn, how do you pull that? And then we're like this is gonna suck if she's not here of her own free will.
Speaker 1:He did not pull that and very quickly.
Speaker 3:We were like oh man, now it's not. We were like ain't no way, bro pulled her yeah, we were, we were, we were like there's no way she has to be kidnapped or like some weird shit, like he was his.
Speaker 2:That's what I thought we were like. No way that's his weird shit Like he was his daughter. That's what I thought.
Speaker 3:We were like no way, that's his wife, that's going to be like his daughter, Right. And then he kissed her on the cheek and we were like that was just a cheat kiss and then like there was something else he did right after that.
Speaker 2:We're like I don't know that's got to be. And then she made a look.
Speaker 1:Okay, what do you think? What do you think about the decisions he made after he was bit? I do agree. I think that was a plot weapon. They had to get him infected and they wanted to get him infected by his wife, which I think they could have done a better job at that. I wish it would have been something like he was knocked out when she turned and she just started biting him. That's what woke him up.
Speaker 2:I wish that's how they would have done it because he was so crafty later on, but in any event, uh, how do you think his role as a father impacted those decisions? I think that, yes, he is crafty. I think if he did like, so we're saying like same situation, but like if he's, you know, not a father versus is a father, correct?
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you think? Do you think he would have survived even though he did all of that crafty stuff after being bit in order to keep his daughter alive, to try to get her to safety, all of the crafty stuff that he did? Do you think it was exclusively his daughter that kept him going? And do you think those decisions would have been different if he was alone, like do you still think he would have just died?
Speaker 2:yeah, I think he would have still died.
Speaker 1:I feel like, because his, you know, because he has his daughter, that pushes him so she was the exclusive reason why he became crafty, why he did what he did. In other words, he would have just outed himself off himself.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't think he would have done it willingly. I think he, truth be told, losing your wife. I think that's already enough to like want to end it. And then I think the only reason he kept going is because he had his daughter, exactly and so. But like everything he did, what was I mean? Tj said it, it was. It got so crafty and so survival heavy out of nowhere. This was the guy like, first of all, crashing the car, seems like. Why are we going that fast?
Speaker 2:Where do we?
Speaker 1:have to go the hospital, I mean I guess that's true.
Speaker 3:What?
Speaker 2:was Eric's or not. Eric, fuck it. Rick's wife's name in the Walking Dead.
Speaker 1:Laurie.
Speaker 2:Or Laurie. He fucking pulled a Laurie right right there's nobody else driving on the road.
Speaker 3:Bro crashed yeah, he overcorrected hard, um, and then getting bit like that I, there's just no excuse for that, that's just pure plot armor to to get the plot going. Because, like, why would you do that?
Speaker 1:yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't necessarily call it plot armor, I call it a plot weapon I, I guess, yeah, more of a plot weapon, but like what, the what?
Speaker 1:Okay, but it seems like you're agreeing with TJ on this. Yeah, I agree with TJ, Okay so.
Speaker 2:Yeah me thinking on like, in like, real world terms, he's the opposite of Alex.
Speaker 3:He couldn't even shoot. He's kind of a dip. He didn't even know how to shoot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, even shoot. He's kind of a dip.
Speaker 1:He didn't even know how to shoot. Yeah no, he was bad with that gun. Oh my god. Okay. So then the next question goes to eric. This is the category, if you will is trust. What role does trust play in andy's interactions with other survivors? How does the film portray the risks and benefits of trusting others in a post-apocalyptic world?
Speaker 3:Well, I think this movie, particularly the interaction with Vic what was his name?
Speaker 1:I think that's right, yeah.
Speaker 3:It shows that there was kind of a give and take where he knew he had to kind of just do what Vic was doing to keep a place for his daughter and him, um, hoping that, even though he might be a little crazy, if that chick is his wife, then she could take care of the baby. So that's all he was thinking about, um, and I don't know if it was so much trust as it was a necessity for that one in particular, but there was a. I don't even know if I would call it trust, to be honest, because it was more desperation. Like he, he didn't really have another choice, um, until what was the little girl's name?
Speaker 3:Toomey Toomey. She became an option, but she was like a super last resort option. I think he trusted her the most, you could tell towards the end because they went through a lot in those short time. But I don't know, I think I'm a little more cynical in that I don't really trust anyone in this situation. But he's desperate so he has to trust somebody. So that's kind of tough, I think that's where it was.
Speaker 3:I think it was trust out of desperation, not necessarily wanting to, but if I also think about it, I think he was kind of more of a trusting person in the beginning when he was waving to those people on the river and the other father pretty much showed right away that this is not a friendly world anymore.
Speaker 1:So then, how do you think that that using that example but you can use any other example you want how do you think that they portrayed the risks and benefits of trust in these interactions?
Speaker 3:I think it showed that most people don't trust without desperation, Like Vic trusted because he was stuck and he needed Andy's help, Right. So that was the only reason he trusted him. The girl I forget her name, Vic's quote unquote wife she I don't think she really trusted Andy more than he was her way out of there.
Speaker 1:Desperation.
Speaker 3:And to me was attached to Andy and so and he was going to get her the keys to, to get her in that guy that she wanted, the magic man. So that was also, I think, maybe less desperation, but I think it was desperation to get out of that situation in those chains. So I think everybody just trusted out of desperation, not out of being a trusting nature.
Speaker 1:Well, no, I, I get that, but how do you think they did a job of portraying the risks and the benefits?
Speaker 3:Well, everybody, nobody trusted anybody without absolutely having to. So I think overwhelmingly people thought the, the, negative was risk. Yeah, the negatives were always going to outweigh the positive the only time they would risk it is when you do something for me or when there was no other option which included our character.
Speaker 1:You're saying right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and included him. I don't think he would have reacted this way. Uh, he not been bit. I think he would have gone back to his boat, um, and continued on which can I, can I pause really quick to say I think we need a pool, the will you survive together, funds together and buy a boathouse or a houseboat actually is a houseboat I like the idea of a boat.
Speaker 1:I think we're just because having a boat to get to an island is a necessity. So, but what do you think of rebutting his points?
Speaker 2:I agree. Yeah, no rebuttal, what he says is perfect.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Eric gets that point. It was, and I do agree. I think it was out of sheer desperation and at the end it was. I think it was concluded for me that it was sheer desperation when he talked to Toomey about the Aborigines Because, remember, there was also a little bit of distrust, because why is Toomey hiding from her mom?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then she finally said later okay, I'm ready to go home now. Because it was just the reality that she had to face that her dad was not her dad anymore and her mom knew this. He was done and she was going to put him down and bury him properly. But the kid had a hard time letting go and that's why it took so long for her to say okay, I'm ready to go home now.
Speaker 3:But damn, I fully agree. She was pretty resilient and able to survive on her own.
Speaker 2:I would I would also like to point out that if I were in this situation me personally I would have trusted the aborigines to begin with, because, hear me out, they know how to survive, right so, and I think that's what they were showing, I loved it.
Speaker 1:I agree with you, even no, even to me. A child, yep, it was so good at wrangling her father on her own how she was able to wrangle her father and get her father to come back to her over and over again footsteps with leaves on her that's so like.
Speaker 1:Here's the other thing perfect the other thing was I was so happy that he chose the aborigines, because they're not the type to do what the river folk did. Right, the dad was the only one who was bit, but he offed his entire family. Now, maybe that was their, their decision, maybe they they knew.
Speaker 3:This is all we can do that felt like like a decision from the mist. Yeah, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1:It was just harsh and his baby would have been caught up in that if it was just a couple of days later. So it turned out to be a good thing that he didn't get his baby to them beforehand. So Vic also crazy. The Aborigines were going to survive. That was their whole mantra, their whole life.
Speaker 3:They weren't just surviving, they were living.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were winning.
Speaker 3:They were fucking viable.
Speaker 2:Also there was at least one Mexican in that crowd, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Bro, they were not all Aborigines. There was some fucking Mexicans in there, for sure. There were some Mexicans there.
Speaker 1:Okay, tjj, resource management. How does the scarcity of resources like food, water and medical supplies affect the character's survival strategies? And you can go a couple of different ways for this point that I I don't think could be refuted how did the scarcity affect them? Yeah, how did the scarcity of resources affect the character's survival strategies?
Speaker 2:at the beginning, I'm sure. I'm sure like they were really low on food. So him going into that boat was all because of scarcity, like he probably didn't have a lot, but that's why he was so excited because yo, I finally got a lot. But that also put his life and his wife's in a danger, not, according to him, perfectly safe. But, um, that yacht was fucking loaded. Oh, it was. Yeah, there's tons of cans. Trying to think of my next statement, I think eric's mustache is stupid, what the fuck? I think throughout the rest of the movie it didn't really affect him that much, because I think he took all of the, the food, like he had it with him. Um, he even had, you know, water for his kid. I think I conclude my answer okay go ahead
Speaker 3:um, your honor. How old would you guesstimate that baby to be? Maybe eight months, nine months? Yeah, somewhere in there eight, nine months yeah, correct me if I'm wrong eight to nine month old babies don't drink water. Yet they don't drink water till a year they aren't recommended to drink water so babies need milk they need something what the hell was rosie drinking? Yeah, I mean, I feel like, with a baby being present, that might have been an important scene to show, like formula or something yeah but mama died, so it's not coming from her anymore so that was something.
Speaker 1:Okay. So that was one thing that I was waiting for. I wanted to hear something because you could have, you could have, uh, you could have secured this. Well, okay, I want to let you, are you done?
Speaker 3:well, now I feel like there's something that'll earn me the point.
Speaker 1:So hang on, uh, because I want to give tj the the chance to rebut you. So he's bringing up the fact that there's no formula shown. No, uh all right.
Speaker 2:No, I'm good with that um, go ahead tj, something to do with guns, scarcity of guns, I mean there is, but in australia, and then in australia there's a scarcity of guns, so I wasn't.
Speaker 1:I didn't have a problem with that. No, my, what, what, what? I would say, and I will give eric the point on this because, I was going to say. One of the things that they failed to point out in this movie at all was nobody ever had any water. This was like fucking Mad Max dude, like how do you go so damn long with no water?
Speaker 3:No water and I didn't really see any food, the other thing I mean again.
Speaker 1:I'm okay without food because you've got a long time to go Right. And what his whole point was was to get his wife to the hospital. What angered me is she's done and I mean I get the whole like he had to. He had to get the baby to somebody else because he was bit. That's the plot weapon, because without that, if he does the smart thing and gets out of the damn car and doesn't reach right across the zombie's mouth with his arm, yeah to get to the back seat to get his daughter.
Speaker 1:He survives. They get back on the boat. They keep going to the the military zone like he wanted to, and you're solid man. But now, there's there's no. Um, there's no water shown at any point. There's no formula, there's no, they didn't stop for food at any point well, they got the.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they didn't show us them stopping to eat or anything, uh, but they did show that he collected food. So they showed in the beginning that it was a concern they were thinking of. But the water they never considered water at all.
Speaker 1:Which, on the river you have abundant water. You just need to purify it and boil it.
Speaker 3:It's once they're off the river. Yeah, I mean, I guess they can just argue See, the only argument for this is that, oh, it was in their bags, it was just never shown.
Speaker 1:Could be is that?
Speaker 2:oh, it was in their bags, it was just never shown. Could be, but I mean it was in their bags, it was just never shown.
Speaker 1:But it's like how long is that gonna last? The formula is where I'm giving you the point for is that that was something that bothered me okay, the bag can only be so big, so how much can you fit that?
Speaker 2:you know, yeah, gotta.
Speaker 3:So so some uh according to project zomboid 20. Okay, I don't know 20, what it's just 20. It just holds 20.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 20 weight.
Speaker 1:Yeah it holds 20 weight. Moral dilemmas, Eric. What moral dilemmas did Andy face, and how did these dilemmas change his ethical boundaries?
Speaker 3:I mean, the easiest one was Vic, where he very clearly moved his ethical boundaries when it came to shooting at the zombies and once he found out that, what was her name?
Speaker 1:Which one Toomey?
Speaker 3:Toomey I keep wanting to say Teemu, where he found that Toomey was in the cage, yeah, and the other guy was the magic man was also in the cage. Yeah, he definitely was like, well, I'm just gonna go along with this now, because my daughter needs a place to be and so do I, so I. I think that's the most clear example where he definitely changed. He went against his conscience, uh, to get something, but that's why I mean like I think all his trust was desperate okay, what do you have to say to that tj?
Speaker 2:can you repeat the question?
Speaker 1:what moral dilemmas did andy face, and how did these dilemmas challenge his ethical boundaries?
Speaker 2:um, he saved. Uh, vick, when he came across him, me, I'm, I'm an asshole, I would have just drove away. Um, and that affected him by the rest of the movie. All that happened well, I mean, yeah, good point, yeah he could have killed kid's dad because he came across him as a zombie. Um to me came up was like don't kill my dad. He knows that that's a zombie, zombie should die. But hey, you know, kid didn't want it.
Speaker 1:I think he had a hard time with the idea of killing zombies I think he just didn't know how to.
Speaker 3:You saw it when he didn't know how to shoot the gun. Like he, he didn't even know how to how to cock it, or like he didn't know anything I think they were portraying that it was empty no, he was shooting it had no rounds he was shooting them.
Speaker 1:Oh, when he was shooting the zombie. Yeah, I thought it meant when he was shooting at Vic, but he had no rounds.
Speaker 3:No, no, With Vic. He had two rounds left. It was the two bullets from the.
Speaker 1:No, when he stole that shotgun.
Speaker 3:Oh.
Speaker 1:That shotgun had no rounds in it.
Speaker 2:The repeater.
Speaker 3:Oh gotcha, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Was that a repeater? Was that a rifle?
Speaker 3:That was a repeater. Yeah, it was a repeater. We were actually talking about with a repeater. That would actually really hurt your fingers after a while if you don't wrap them.
Speaker 1:Probably wrap your fingers. I brought it up first.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he did you hear this guy? I did it first. I did it first.
Speaker 1:I.
Speaker 2:It's like his hand's going to get sore and he's like like five minutes later he's like, yeah, your hand would get raw and weird. I'm like I was thinking about it. Yeah, I said that so.
Speaker 3:Can I rebuttal? Yeah, on the topic of Vic, I don't know why he didn't kill Vic when he was sleeping. What was the reason to leave him alive? I think that was an example of like his, his conscience getting to him and him being like, well, if we could just peacefully leave. But the way I see it, with this whole situation, he just locked you in a cage and put guts all over you to attract zombies. He's fucking psychotic. He kid. He basically had this woman kidnapped because she had nowhere else to go and you're not going to leave your daughter with him. Kill him. Why are we leaving him alive? So I think that's an example of his morals working against him. That's like the one time where he should have just been, I don't know, should have just done it, but he, I don't know, he got a guilty conscience or something.
Speaker 2:I would also like to point out that he was very crafty in that scene because of the fabric on the chain.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, and tying the guts to it.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that was really smart I brought that up when I snuck in.
Speaker 2:I brought that up, but look at, you guys didn't, though I most certainly did okay, I was, I was there, I was like chains and you were like yeah, so I brought it up, this guy all right, I'm uh, who gets that point?
Speaker 1:I'm giving eric the point and because you, you had um, you gave a couple of feels motivated, you gave.
Speaker 1:No, you gave a couple of motivated, you gave no, you gave a couple of examples that were good and they were, they were on point, but they were repeating what he had actually said. So you, you gave the examples of what he had said. So, but be careful with that, because in the future I may get, I may give that point for that reason, because one of these questions coming up here, um, okay, so in this one say it better though, to point out.
Speaker 1:This is this is a generic question, so you got to be careful Make sure you you answer this with some examples, because of how vague the question is. Humanity versus survival instinct, right? How does the movie balance the theme of maintaining humanity and compassion versus the primal instinct to survive? This is tj's question. How does the movie balance the theme of maintaining humanity and compassion versus the primal instinct to survive these?
Speaker 3:are some deep ass questions that you are randomly throwing at us.
Speaker 2:I am drinking sir and I had two hits of some devil's lettuce and you're throwing out some existential questions at me.
Speaker 3:You're throwing out college level questions that you do when you're like.
Speaker 2:You both are grown ass adults.
Speaker 3:I haven't been to college. I haven't been to college. We watched this movie to do a podcast episode on it and you're asking us questions like we watched it for a class and like we sat and analyzed it.
Speaker 2:This is for survival guys, we didn't even watch the movie I'm gonna bring it. We didn't watch it. We watched Cargo we watched Cargo we watched Cargo. It's a rip off of.
Speaker 3:Cars. No, it's a better version of Cars, is what it is.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's completely. Yeah, better animation, better everything, all right.
Speaker 1:Do you want me to rephrase the question? Please rephrase the question no I like it.
Speaker 3:No, no, ask that because it's his question. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2:Rephrase it.
Speaker 1:Rephrase it in dumb, dumb words, for me big scrabble words, so with a lot of deep meaning here. How do we, how did we, see a balance in keeping humanity alive, like staying true to I'm I'm not not necessarily civilized society, because it was clear that civilized society was gone, right, but how do you keep humanity alive versus like fighting against the absolutely primal, vicious, pure instinct, survival, like survival instinct? How do you think they showed you that, that balance?
Speaker 2:All the white people were ready to give up. They had boxes with fucking suicide kits in them Sorry, unaliving kits in them versus the aborigines. They were fighting back, they were ready, they were going, they're like hey it's us or them?
Speaker 3:Can we just say it was the Australians, not white people in general, it's the white people, jesus.
Speaker 2:I say New Zealand. You're going to think of some darker skinned fellows. I say Australia. What do you think of?
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:Freaking Crocodile Dundee.
Speaker 3:It was the white people. I mean yes, but when you say New Zealand, I think of goats, I don't even think of people.
Speaker 2:Okay, but name a black person in this movie.
Speaker 3:You can't.
Speaker 2:They're in Australia. It's all white people in Australia.
Speaker 3:To me, yeah, to me. To me she wasn't white, she's in Australia Aboriginal, but she's still in Australia.
Speaker 1:I said black, she's the real Australian.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but she's still in Australia, If anything. Yeah, that makes her the Australian.
Speaker 2:Okay, so all the colonizers. There, you go, Got made sewer slide, sewer slide kits. Okay, and then the real Australians were ready to fight for their country. Just like you should go sign up to join the United States military Well hang on, I wish the money behind that, oh my God.
Speaker 1:Okay, but response.
Speaker 3:My point here the big needle EpiPens that were there were not designed to just give up. They were designed for you're infected when your time is running out on your, on your watch, you use that to end it.
Speaker 1:So are you saying that that's an example of maintaining humanity?
Speaker 3:I think so. It's like don't turn. You know you don't want to. You don't want to turn and hurt your family members. I think that was the whole point of it was like do it yourself so that someone else doesn't have to. Which is something that TJ and I actually talked about while watching the movie is that it's a little selfish if you just let yourself turn and you make somebody else put you down instead of just doing it yourself else put you down, instead of just doing it yourself.
Speaker 2:That's. I would like to rephrase and say that all of the original australian people were fighting the zombies to survive. All the other people, you know, the colonizers, um, just really cared about themselves and weren't interesting caring for humanity.
Speaker 1:So okay, I think I think you have earned the point tj in a roundabout way, because you actually touched on what I was thinking and what buffy in the chat said was uh, that moment that to me sprayed the perfume and andy, as a full-blown zombie, had that brief moment of peace before they put him down, I think that was like the greatest example of showing humanity still existed for his baby right this is, this is the humanity, this is the life that your baby is going to go into.
Speaker 1:Where it seemed to me I'm I'm going to fully admit it seemed to me that the aboriginal way to me's way which was just a young girl, so I gotta be fair about that but the aboriginal way to me's way was so stupid, because why are you keeping the zombie alive? You're going to die, you're going to, and it caused the car crash and all the everything you know. Everything was caused from this. But then again, at the end it showed why. Because everything everybody deserved that humanity experience and I thought, I thought it was well shown.
Speaker 2:I'd like to say something to me. Is uh, look at the flowers, girl if you're right flowers girl wasn't crazy you're right.
Speaker 1:It was look at the flowers here, smell the perfume. Smell your wife's, and he did, and he smelled the perfume and then they put him down, ended it quick.
Speaker 3:This doesn't smell like food okay so what was that paint on them that made them not ash?
Speaker 2:probably that would mask their smell enough well, if they're burning everything and they cover themselves in the everything, then they smell like everything I mean, I guess they're in a big circle of fire right, and they cover themselves in ash, they're gonna smell like the rest of the fire.
Speaker 3:I mean I suppose so.
Speaker 2:So it kind of blocks, their senses kind of. I could see that argument.
Speaker 1:So, last question because I think we're getting close to the end here, and are we?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, we were talking for like 20 minutes beforehand.
Speaker 3:It was not 20, it was 15. Okay, we might.
Speaker 2:Maybe 15. We might have time for.
Speaker 1:I might go two more.
Speaker 3:We'll see how fast you guys go through this. It's been taking us like 15 minutes at question.
Speaker 2:We'll see where we go at the end of this one, all right.
Speaker 1:So this might be a deep question for you, Eric.
Speaker 3:Okay, I did go to college.
Speaker 1:This is on adaptation. I dropped out. How do the characters adapt to the changing environment and the threats posed by the infected? Two-part question what skills or knowledge prove to be the most valuable? And I'm more impressed by the second question than the first. How do the characters adapt to the changing environment and the threats posed by the infected? What skills or knowledge prove to be the most valuable?
Speaker 3:that's what I I'm aiming at I'm struggling to think of any situation in which he adapted to something the infected were doing. The only, actually there's only one situation I could think of off the top of my head doesn't have to be exclusively him and okay, well, for him in particular, it's the tying the intestines to the cloth on the cage nice, and using that.
Speaker 3:That. That was very crafty, out of nowhere, um, and very smart. I don't know in practice how effective that would be. I feel like that all that meat is going to immediately come off that cloth and then they're not going to be pulling on it anymore. Um, I also feel like I guess it was five of them pulling it.
Speaker 1:Never mind, but regardless, I don't think they would be grabbing it, uh, so I don't know if that would actually happen but I like the way they did it though, because they were all fighting like it was, like they were fighting for yeah, yeah I just think the meat would have ripped off the cloth pretty easily.
Speaker 3:But regardless, that was pretty crafty. That was, uh, definitely adapting to the situation, because I don't know how, I don't think I would have thought to do that. Um, uh, I guess you could kind of argue he adapted his morals.
Speaker 3:If we go back to the previous question, when he uh but I'm looking more specifically for the survival skills, because he had none you've mentioned some things for me to buzz in you've mentioned some things, so it's not fair, for, like you, you know some examples of great survival skills that were shown in this movie by a character I mean, oh so, okay, this is probably not one you were thinking of, but uh, in the tunnel, when he shouted for vick and then he hid amongst the hibernating zombies, oh well, that was kind of.
Speaker 3:Using camouflage like that is a pretty cool survival. I don't know what you'd call it Survival technique. I guess I'm really struggling to think of any time that he really did anything, but the I mean the camouflage actually was kind of a theme throughout the movie. The Aborigines did the same thing, which was another pretty cool thing. I can't really think of any other survival, uh things that he really did right or that him not well, I know no, but I can't really think of anybody else who really did, okay, go ahead tj to me using her blood to wrangle her father.
Speaker 2:That was one way of like survival stuff. Um, I completely forgot the question. I'm just going off rip. So can you uh?
Speaker 1:so it's it's.
Speaker 2:How do the characters?
Speaker 1:adapt to the changing environment and the threats posed by the infected? More importantly, what skills or knowledge proved to be the most valuable?
Speaker 2:oh, um. So the blood, the sound and um smell what do you mean?
Speaker 1:what do you mean sound? What do you mean sound?
Speaker 2:gunshots, bring them in. They knew that yep. So if a gun's fired, they know to leave, like they showed that in the movie. Like you know, um smell with the, the, with the meat and the. You know the, the strap and with the blood um on to me's hand. Um sound when they're walking through the tunnel. They're just completely walking by them and silently.
Speaker 3:The hibernating was an interesting that was. That was an interesting addition to these types of zombies, like an interesting trait, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know just the Aborigines using their little fire circle thingy. That they did is you. You know their survival technique, whatever um that's all I got.
Speaker 3:So basically what I said.
Speaker 1:Well, that's my rebuttal he gave me a little bit more, and but neither one of you actually said what you both talked about earlier, which what I was really looking for was to me's ability to use leaves to cover her tracks, how she was able to survive on her own for so long that she was. She was all by herself wrangling this zombie all on her own, and the dad here couldn't even figure out how to you know how to off his, his zombie wife oh, you know what?
Speaker 3:okay, I will say, they did show brief things like so they really didn't show that much that many survival techniques from her, I think. One they did show, though, was the bunny or the rabbit that she caught using a snare. So there's that, there's some sort of trapping, but, like I said, they don't really show all that much. Okay so A lot of camouflage.
Speaker 1:We are tied Three and three, so tiebreaker question goes to both of you and you will both have a chance to answer.
Speaker 3:Can I just say every time I would listen to podcasts and they'd be like, oh, we tied. And I'd be like that's so bullshit, that's scripted. It happens way more than you would think.
Speaker 2:Well, really, it's happened like three episodes, four episodes Like a lot.
Speaker 1:I qualify each one. Tj has family and survival, humanity versus survival instincts and adaptation. Eric has trust, resource management and moral dilemmas, so I can validate the's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I can validate the tie here it happens more often than you would think it really does Just not planned at all.
Speaker 1:So the tiebreaker Hang on really quick.
Speaker 3:What page on the script are we on?
Speaker 2:37.
Speaker 3:Okay line.
Speaker 2:Subsection B if you go down to the bottom.
Speaker 3:Okay, I see Line 12.
Speaker 2:So what's the next question?
Speaker 1:okay, the tiebreaker below that one okay, you both, you both get a chance to answer, so you don't have to rebut each other. But if you come, if you prefer to rebut and you make it compelling, I'll give you that point. Here we go, we're gonna go. We started with tj, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna give it to you, eric. Preparedness how does the film depict the importance of preparedness? Are there moments where better preparation could have changed the outcome for the characters?
Speaker 3:I feel like, if we're, this is another one of those where I don't think there's that many examples of this throughout the film. But I think if he were to be more prepared, just vick gave creepy vibes from the very beginning and I feel like he was not prepared enough for it. I I definitely feel like everybody knew vick was going to uh, flip on him and put him in a cage. So it's kind of like, why did he let it get to that point? And then this is more like this isn't necessarily preparedness, but again, why didn't he kill vick? He caused way more problems for himself down the line than if he would have just done it. Then he would have been more prepared for the tunnel and going forward. But that that's less preparedness. I think the only preparedness really is when they get off the boat. Um, they, but they don't show if they really brought any supplies or what supplies they brought. So it's kind of hard to say what he did wrong or what he did right.
Speaker 2:So okay, dj okay, so, um, first thing that came to mind is he was, um, he was prepared to leave his daughter at the end. Um, well, not leave, but you one got prepared with the meat, put it on the stick. You know, I'm assuming told the plan to to me. Um, there's some preparedness. Um, he did a lot of fumbling around the whole movie. I don't think he really prepared for most things. Um, he did come prepared with a baby backpack not everybody has has that that backpack was dope.
Speaker 2:That was dope. You need to get that. Put that on our Pinterest. Will you survive? Pinterest A cargo backpack.
Speaker 1:We actually have that. We use that on the front the chest carrier but it works on the back too. Like a little seat, like a little seat for the baby.
Speaker 3:I have another one.
Speaker 1:So how does the film depict the importance of preparedness? Are there moments where better preparedness could have changed the outcome for the characters?
Speaker 2:um could have prepared his wife better at the start. Yeah, you know it's gonna happen. You dig that little kit comes with the handcuffs, with the, you know the stuff. You need to be like ready for that. He wasn't prepared. He was kind of just, you know, hey, we got to do this and then that was focused on that um preparedness.
Speaker 3:Uh, in his defense he brought that, that mirror attached to the fishing rod to check the yacht. That was actually really smart. I really like that tool now. If only he would have been smart enough to check the closet, that would have helped.
Speaker 2:But well, not in his defense, but I think he should have like banged on the top.
Speaker 3:Yeah, see that's what that's what I thought call out something, yeah do something, because sound they.
Speaker 2:You know, bro is just never prepared um, no, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:He, you're right, he just fumbled the whole time.
Speaker 2:The better australians, the aborigines um well, okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know if we want to make enemies with australia and britain it's okay, we don't really have any downloads from australia, so go go hog wild okay never mind.
Speaker 2:Y'all are on an island full of deadly things and you still live there. Um, that's crazy what situations could have changed if he was prepared.
Speaker 3:They don't even inhabit most of the island yeah, definitely his hooking up his wife.
Speaker 2:I think that's like the the situation that he most could have been prepared. Uh, he didn't have a weapon like at all in the movie. Yeah, he didn't didn't prepare for that. I'm sure if he had a weapon it would have been a different situation he didn't even have a melee weapon. He did get doinked by a vic. Um didn't have a weapon. If you had a weapon, he would have seen you as more of a threat.
Speaker 3:Maybe it wouldn't have gone down like that he also like he should have seen that coming.
Speaker 1:like I said, I think that's an excellent point. Damn.
Speaker 3:Well, my rebuttal is that I should win this episode because I want to, but also TJ made some really freaking good points that I don't have any counters to. So take that how you will.
Speaker 1:Well, I do actually think that last point gave it to TJ, because that was pretty damn good.
Speaker 3:I mean, that's pretty much what I said, but okay.
Speaker 1:That's pretty much what you said, yeah that's pretty much what I said. And okay, should have prepared your mustache a little better, eric, okay.
Speaker 2:I can see it touching your lips.
Speaker 1:There's our episode. Tj is our winner. He has gotten the points for family versus survival, humanity versus survival, instinct, adaptation and preparedness yeah, hi, my name is tj.
Speaker 2:I got the win and it's in my eyes, oh, oh. Well, let's go. I'm so high.
Speaker 1:It's crazy, this whole time With all of that.
Speaker 3:I think that was baloney.
Speaker 1:And I think I should have won. But okay With that. Thank you all for tuning in on this episode and make sure you go check us out on tiktok, instagram, facebook and pinterest at will you survive the podcast? You can also send us your emails to the boys t-h-e-b-o-y-s at will you survive the podcastcom? Make sure you check out all of our new episodes.
Speaker 1:We releasea new episode every friday, except for this friday, because somebody forgot to upload the episode, uh we upload episodes uploaded usually every friday at 7 am, and I hope you guys enjoyed our horror survival and ask yourselves this question as you watch Cargo Will you survive?
Speaker 2:And stay alive, and stay alive and stay away from ants. They'll get in your eyes. Thank you.
